Re: LCC and blobs

2005-01-06 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: So would a web-based firmware loader, that never saved the firmware to disk allow the drivers to be in main? Of course not. It's fetching software, then using that software. ICQ software merely mentions messages, but doesn't use them. ICQ uses the messages as

Re: LCC and blobs

2005-01-06 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Raul Miller wrote: On Fri, Dec 31, 2004 at 05:02:15PM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: The social contract says ...but we will never make the system depend on an item of non-free software. not but we will never make the system depend on an item of non-free software /which we must distribute/.

Re: LCC and blobs

2005-01-06 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Josh Triplett wrote: I would like to suggest an additional option, which I think covers most cases quite well: If Debian were to package (a copy of) the non-free item in the non-free section, would the Free package express a Depends, Recommends, or Build-Depends on the non-free package? If so,

Switchconf: Orphaning or removing?

2005-01-06 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Hi, Some time ago, I adopted switchconf, a very simple bash script used to simply switch between configurations, planned for use on mobile systems, but perfectly usable on the desktop as well. Now, switchconf is too simple. It does very little, but does not do it very well. I originally intended

Re: Status of Kernel 2.4.28 packages?

2005-01-06 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 09:23:18PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: On Sun, Jan 02, 2005 at 08:02:25PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: Converting to udev is an additional step, and caused me a lot more work than the basic 2.6 upgrade (mostly getting my head around it, and converting from usbmgr).

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-06 Thread Thomas Zimmerman
On 04-Jan 09:45, Steve Greenland wrote: On 04-Jan-05, 07:40 (CST), Paul van der Vlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the biggest disadvantages of Debian for me is the long time it takes for a new stable version. If you want Ubuntu or Progeny, you know where[1] to find them. :-)

Re: Bug#288769: ITP: cedilla -- ascii to postscript renderer

2005-01-06 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 22.55, Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 04:43:05PM +0100, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: An ascii to postscript renderer ... I think you want to say plaintext to postscript renderer here, since clearly text that contains non-ascii

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-06 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:05:01 +0100, Ingo Juergensmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When Joerg Jaspert is already doing the dirty daily work, why does James still needs in place then? (Except he just stays in that position for a transitional period until Joerg is taking over that task and job

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-06 Thread Thomas Zimmerman
On 05-Jan 09:30, Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo wrote: El mié, 05-01-2005 a las 04:16 -0800, Stephen Birch escribió: Paul van der Vlis([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-01-04 14:40: Hello, One of the biggest disadvantages of Debian for me is the long time it takes for a new stable version. I

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-06 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:31:41 +1100, Andrew Pollock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That said, this (rather large) blocker shouldn't be the issue it has been for this release for the next one. The two biggest blockers to releasing any time soon have been the installer and the security infrastructure. I'm

Re: Switchconf: Orphaning or removing?

2005-01-06 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Thursday 06 January 2005 08.01, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Now, switchconf is too simple. It does very little, but does not do it very well. I originally intended to work with it to make it much more robust... But in the end, I didn't get around to do it. IMHO removing it is the right solution.

Re: Cant build a simple package.

2005-01-06 Thread Rakotomandimby (R12y) Mihamina
On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 23:02 +0100, Frederic Peters wrote: Rakotomandimby (R12y) Mihamina wrote: I'm learning making debian packages. I think debian-mentors@ would be more approriate. Uh. I do apologize. -- ASPO Infogérance http://aspo.rktmb.org/activites/infogerance Unofficial FAQ

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-06 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:18:37 +0100, Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Joey Hess: I think we've taken this security bugs arn't fixed in testing as well as in stable thing as gospel a little too long without verifying it lately. I've been checking and if testing is lagging stable at all,

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-06 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 09:01:07AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:05:01 +0100, Ingo Juergensmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When Joerg Jaspert is already doing the dirty daily work, why does James still needs in place then? (Except he just stays in that position for a

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-06 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:31:06 +0100, Bas Zoetekouw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You wrote: ahh .. I take your point. What about the idea of identifying a list of release essential (RE) packages? I like that idea. We could even have a system to automagically throw buggy non-RE packages out of

partial patches - server application

2005-01-06 Thread Andreas Barth
Dear all, with ideas and code (and a lot more) from Anthony, I was able to put together the server part for partial patches in a way that it seems to me that it might be included in dak. The resulting files are available from deb http://merkel.debian.org/~aba/debian sid main contrib non-free (or

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-06 Thread Jan Niehusmann
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 09:51:21AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: That would leave testing users who happen to have such a package installed alone because they wouldn't notice their package vanishing from the mirrors, continuing to use a potentially vulnerable package. Good point. But that problem

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-06 Thread Stephen Birch
Ken Bloom([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-01-05 09:10: . snip There's a discussion of release proposals ongoing at http://wiki.debian.net/?ReleaseProposals Please look around there to see what's going on and understand the ideas that have been proposed. Thanks for the pointer ... reading

Re: partial patches - server application

2005-01-06 Thread Andreas Metzler
On 2005-01-06 Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] deb http://merkel.debian.org/~aba/debian sid main contrib non-free (or any other combination of suites and components you like) However, there are only the dist files on that place, _no_ downloadable pool is available there. The

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-06 Thread Frederic Peters
Marc Sherman wrote: Roberto Sanchez wrote: That makes me wonder. I know that there are tools like cron-apt that will perform apt-related tasks through cron jobs. Is there a way to make it (or another tool) download the changelogs and email you any new ones? I just filed a wishlist on

Re: partial patches - server application

2005-01-06 Thread Andreas Barth
* Andreas Metzler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050106 11:10]: On 2005-01-06 Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] deb http://merkel.debian.org/~aba/debian sid main contrib non-free (or any other combination of suites and components you like) However, there are only the dist files on that

Re: partial patches - server application

2005-01-06 Thread Florian Weimer
* Andreas Barth: This means: If the local file dists/sid/main/binary-i386/Packages has the sha1-sum of f3a0c1972021af11782c661d1bd5214f1d443868, take the patch named 2005-01-04-1633.27 (and this patch has the given size and sha1-sum). Of course, this patch is a gz'ed file. The Patches are

Re: partial patches - server application

2005-01-06 Thread Andreas Barth
* Florian Weimer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050106 11:45]: * Andreas Barth: This means: If the local file dists/sid/main/binary-i386/Packages has the sha1-sum of f3a0c1972021af11782c661d1bd5214f1d443868, take the patch named 2005-01-04-1633.27 (and this patch has the given size and sha1-sum).

Re: updated debian development diagram -- comments?

2005-01-06 Thread Clive Menzies
On (06/01/05 01:56), Alexander Schmehl wrote: Hi Kevin! * Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050103 07:08]: I have updated my diagram on the debian developement model. Any comments appreciated! What is the target group of your diagramm? Since I don't think people without deeper

Re: Status of Kernel 2.4.28 packages?

2005-01-06 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 08:44:13AM +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote: On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 09:23:18PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: On Sun, Jan 02, 2005 at 08:02:25PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: Converting to udev is an additional step, and caused me a lot more work than the basic 2.6

Re: Status of Kernel 2.4.28 packages?

2005-01-06 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 12:33:00PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: AOL. magicdev works just fine to do essentially the same thing as gnome-volume-manager. I don't use magicdev either. I really prefer to mount my storage device myself. Call me a control-freak.

Re: Experimental gaim_1.1.1-2 for Alpha

2005-01-06 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 11:47:57PM +, Henning Makholm wrote: Does it also apply to signing .dsc's? The archive scripts won't act on an uploaded .dsc without an accompanying .changes file, so this is not an issue. Moreover, signing your .dsc

Re: murphy is listed on spamcop

2005-01-06 Thread Russell Coker
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 03:34, Darren Salt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I demand that Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo may or may not have written... El lun, 03-01-2005 a las 21:35 +1100, Russell Coker escribió: [snip] Human lives are much more important than email. The discussion is over.

Re: murphy is listed on spamcop

2005-01-06 Thread Russell Coker
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 15:13, Miles Bader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, it's clear that trying to discuss thing swith you is a pointless excercise in frustration, so I guess it doesn't matter one way or another if you stop; hopefully others can continue the discussion in a more

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent toxxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-06 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Marc Haber dijo [Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 09:01:07AM +0100]: When Joerg Jaspert is already doing the dirty daily work, why does James still needs in place then? (Except he just stays in that position for a transitional period until Joerg is taking over that task and job completely. I would

Bug#288959: ITP: mn-fit -- interactive analysis package for fitting data and histograms

2005-01-06 Thread Kevin McCarty
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: mn-fit Version : 5.03 Upstream Author : Ian C. Brock brock (at) physik.uni-bonn.de * URL : http://www-zeus.physik.uni-bonn.de/~brock/mn_fit.html * License : GPL Description : interactive analysis package

Re: partial patches - server application

2005-01-06 Thread Florian Weimer
* Andreas Barth: Is this really a good idea? patch invokes ed(1) to process ed scripts, and this might lead to execution of arbitrary commands. It is agreed that the usage of patch and ed is _not_ the recommended way for production code (but acceptable for prototype code). However, as

Re: Orphaning some packages

2005-01-06 Thread Thorsten Sauter
Hi Sean, * sean finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-01-05 05:50]: | I plan to orphan some of my packages. At the moment I have not enough | time for those packages. | | cacti - Frontend to rrdtool for monitoring systems and services | | i'm a cacti user myself and would be happy to take this

Re: partial patches - server application

2005-01-06 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Florian Weimer wrote: * Andreas Barth: Is this really a good idea? patch invokes ed(1) to process ed scripts, and this might lead to execution of arbitrary commands. It is agreed that the usage of patch and ed is _not_ the recommended way for production code (but acceptable for

Re: partial patches - server application

2005-01-06 Thread Florian Weimer
* Thiemo Seufer: They can be cumulated, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/12/msg00462.html This trick should work for RCS deltas as well. The output from diff -f is, I haven't found an -f option in diff. It's documented in the Info manual, and it's required by POSIX. Hardly

Re: partial patches - server application

2005-01-06 Thread John Hasler
Thiemo Seufer writes: I haven't found an -f option in diff. Look at the info docs. -- John Hasler

Re: Orphaning some packages

2005-01-06 Thread sean finney
hi thorsten, On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 06:08:02PM +0100, Thorsten Sauter wrote: | i'm a cacti user myself and would be happy to take this one over. at | some point i even wrote up some code to help transition people from | the version in woody, which i could probably dig up. yes. Please take

Re: murphy is listed on spamcop

2005-01-06 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If Thomas is capable of making a point without reference to the Bush regeime then there might be a possibility of doing so. I already did, but you ignored it. You cannot justify the bad consequences your actions just by saying that they are the only

Re: LCC and blobs

2005-01-06 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So would a web-based firmware loader, that never saved the firmware to disk allow the drivers to be in main? Of course not. It's fetching software, then using that software. ICQ software merely mentions messages, but doesn't use them. ICQ uses the

Re: murphy is listed on spamcop

2005-01-06 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is of course another reason to avoid analogies such as the one Thomas used. A discussion about whether the US army is good or bad is not on topic for this list and has nothing to do with spamcop. Of course, I didn't discuss whether the US army

Re: LCC and blobs

2005-01-06 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 01:54:19PM -0500, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: aren't equivalent. The issue at hand is whether somebody might ever download software from Debian and find it useless without additional software which he could download... but not from Debian, since it's not Free and not

Re: GtkMozEmbed with Firefox not Mozilla

2005-01-06 Thread Will Lowe
mozilla-browser is 30 megabytes and duplicates the vast majority of firefox Is 30M of disk space really that precious these days? I can't imagine trying to run software that uses GTKMozEmbed on an embedded device where space is truly at a premium. And splitting hairs like this is partially

Re: GtkMozEmbed with Firefox not Mozilla

2005-01-06 Thread William Ballard
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 12:47:14PM -0800, Will Lowe wrote: mozilla-browser is 30 megabytes and duplicates the vast majority of firefox Is 30M of disk space really that precious these days? I can't imagine trying to run software that uses GTKMozEmbed on an embedded device where space is

Re: Experimental gaim_1.1.1-2 for Alpha

2005-01-06 Thread Greg Folkert
On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 23:18 +, Martin Michlmayr wrote: Greg doesn't appear to be a Debian developer so neither of this applies. The first paragraph is good advice in general, though. Apologies for not expounding on this point. Any further deeds done this way, will be disclaimed that I am

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-06 Thread Will Lowe
Is that really true? I would love to run apt-get dist-upgrade every half a year. Currently it doesn't get me much. :) Now, for production systems, don't you do some testing *before* you upgrade the OS? Sure I do. But I run a production environment with several hundred machines in it. We

Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread William Ballard
Apparently the dickhead maintainer of ndiswrapper-source has just gone into his shell and refuses to discuss this problem. Since his package (and theoretically any package which generates packages) may be uninstallable because there is no way to say give me the source and everything I need to

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread Adam Heath
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, William Ballard wrote: Apparently the dickhead maintainer of ndiswrapper-source has just gone into his shell and refuses to discuss this problem. Since his package (and theoretically any package which generates packages) may be uninstallable because there is no way to say

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 04:58:56PM -0500, William Ballard wrote: Apparently the dickhead maintainer of ndiswrapper-source has just gone into his shell and refuses to discuss this problem. Eh, if you start a mail like this, I don't even read further on this mail... sorry. --Jeroen -- Jeroen

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread Adam Heath
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, Adam Heath wrote: On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, William Ballard wrote: Apparently the dickhead maintainer of ndiswrapper-source has just gone into his shell and refuses to discuss this problem. Since his package (and theoretically any package which generates packages) may be

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-01-06 16:58:56, schrieb William Ballard: Given that -source packages do not adequately specify the dependencies to be able to use the output, one must NEVER run dpkg -i a given deb without first running dpkg --dry-run -i on the same debs and verifying that it returns a zero exit

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2005-01-06 Thread William Ballard
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Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-01-06 23:02:40, schrieb Jeroen van Wolffelaar: On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 04:58:56PM -0500, William Ballard wrote: Apparently the dickhead maintainer of ndiswrapper-source has just gone into his shell and refuses to discuss this problem. Eh, if you start a mail like this, I don't

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread William Ballard
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 11:02:40PM +0100, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 04:58:56PM -0500, William Ballard wrote: Apparently the dickhead maintainer of ndiswrapper-source has just gone into his shell and refuses to discuss this problem. Eh, if you start a mail like

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread William Ballard
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 04:05:24PM -0600, Adam Heath wrote: I've now taken time to read the bug report. You're wrong, and the maintainer is right. Well that's why you simply cannot trust that source packages will not completely fuck up your system.

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread William Ballard
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 04:02:17PM -0600, Adam Heath wrote: On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, William Ballard wrote: Er, huh? I don't see what problem you are describing. What *exactly* is the issue you have? Packages that generate packages as output that have dependencies the original package does not

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 04:58:56PM -0500, William Ballard wrote: Apparently the dickhead maintainer of ndiswrapper-source has just gone into his shell and refuses to discuss this problem. Btw, could anyone explain why ndiswrapper is in main? It's only use is to run propritary windows drivers

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread Adam Heath
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, William Ballard wrote: On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 11:02:40PM +0100, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 04:58:56PM -0500, William Ballard wrote: Apparently the dickhead maintainer of ndiswrapper-source has just gone into his shell and refuses to discuss

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread Sebastian Ley
* William Ballard wrote: [...crap...] Do you need the -utils apckage to build the -source package? No. So no Depends and no Recommends for you. Period. Depends and Recommends have a certain well-defined meaning and I am greatful that we are not arbitarily misusing them. The resulting

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread William Ballard
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 11:10:16PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2005-01-06 16:58:56, schrieb William Ballard: Given that -source packages do not adequately specify the dependencies to be able to use the output, one must NEVER run dpkg -i a given deb without first running dpkg

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread Adam Heath
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, Sebastian Ley wrote: * William Ballard wrote: [...crap...] Do you need the -utils apckage to build the -source package? No. So no Depends and no Recommends for you. Period. Depends and Recommends have a certain well-defined meaning and I am greatful that we are not

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread William Ballard
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 04:18:36PM -0600, Adam Heath wrote: Again, reading the report, I see you getting more and more frustrated, and then resorting to name calling, and dirt throwing(publically, on this list). Both are signs of poor ettiquette. I offered the asshole and alternative and he

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10161 March 1977, William Ballard wrote: Er, huh? I don't see what problem you are describing. What *exactly* is the issue you have? Packages that generate packages as output that have dependencies the original package does not have. The resulting output may be uninstallable. The

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread William Ballard
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 11:19:35PM +0100, Sebastian Ley wrote: * William Ballard wrote: [...crap...] Do you need the -utils apckage to build the -source package? No. So no Depends and no Recommends for you. Period. Depends and Recommends have a certain Well you can't use the damn

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread William Ballard
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 04:18:36PM -0600, Adam Heath wrote: Again, reading the report, I see you getting more and more frustrated, and then resorting to name calling, and dirt throwing(publically, on this list). Both are signs of poor ettiquette. I offered the asshole and alternative and he

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread Sebastian Ley
* Adam Heath wrote: It *may* require a versioned depends on a newer version, but that's just a normal bug. ...and no reason to introduce this dependency in the -source package. Btw: Leaving old packages build from -source packages around would quite well do the trick. But I suppose W.B.

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread William Ballard
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 11:22:47PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Sorry, but a package can't install a brain. It builds a new package, so you look at that one before you do anything. Where is the problem? Why even bother having the concept of dependencies in the first place? Why not just look at

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread William Ballard
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 11:28:55PM +0100, Sebastian Ley wrote: Btw: Leaving old packages build from -source packages around would quite well do the trick. But I suppose W.B. wants to call more people assholes before invoking brain functions... Right: I have to do all this special stuff to

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
William Ballard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Given that -source packages do not adequately specify the dependencies to be able to use the output, one must NEVER run dpkg -i a given deb without first running dpkg --dry-run -i on the same debs and verifying that it returns a zero exit code.

Bug#289043: ITP: perlprimer -- [Biology] Graphical design of primers for PCR

2005-01-06 Thread Steffen Moeller
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: perlprimer Version : 1.1.5 Upstream Author : Owen Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://perlprimer.sourceforge.net * License : GPL Description : [Biology] Graphical design of primers for PCR

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread William Ballard
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 11:37:52PM +0100, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: William Ballard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Given that -source packages do not adequately specify the dependencies to be able to use the output, one must NEVER run dpkg -i a given deb without first running dpkg

Re: murphy is listed on spamcop

2005-01-06 Thread Russell Coker
On Friday 07 January 2005 06:01, Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You cannot justify the bad consequences your actions just by saying that they are the only way to get the good goals you desire. The problem with spam filtering is that it's

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * William Ballard [Thu, Jan 06 2005, 05:14:32PM]: What *exactly* is the issue you have? Packages that generate packages as output that have dependencies the original package does not have. The resulting output may be uninstallable. Though luck. The rationale is some

Re: LCC and blobs

2005-01-06 Thread Josh Triplett
[Please keep either debian-legal or myself in the CC list; I'm not subscribed to debian-devel.] Anthony DeRobertis wrote: Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: So would a web-based firmware loader, that never saved the firmware to disk allow the drivers to be in main? Of course not. It's fetching

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread William Ballard
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 11:27:59PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: From my point of view, those source packages are most often installed by a dependency of some other *utilities* package. Once they are installed, So, what you're saying is, if I need some module foo source, I should look to be

Re: murphy is listed on spamcop

2005-01-06 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Friday 07 January 2005 06:01, Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You cannot justify the bad consequences your actions just by saying that they are the only way to get the good goals you desire.

Re: murphy is listed on spamcop

2005-01-06 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If spamcop was as bad as people claim then I'm sure that throughout this discussion people would be CCing me on their messages to the list and then flaming me on the list when my server rejected their email due to the Spamcop DNSBL. I conclude that the

apt-get should be able to install packages directly

2005-01-06 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * William Ballard [Thu, Jan 06 2005, 05:44:18PM]: Like rm, dpkg is a tool for system administrators. It will not protect you from potentially harmful actions because it assumes that you know what you do. I already knew that. That's why I said you have to use it in this

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * William Ballard [Thu, Jan 06 2005, 05:50:46PM]: So, what you're saying is, if I need some module foo source, I should look to be installing foo-utils and expect foo-source to tag along. If I don't find foo-utils, just look for foo-source. Can I count on foo-utils

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo
El jue, 06-01-2005 a las 17:21 -0500, William Ballard escribi: On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 04:18:36PM -0600, Adam Heath wrote: Again, reading the report, I see you getting more and more frustrated, and then resorting to name calling, and dirt throwing(publically, on this list). Both are signs

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo
El jue, 06-01-2005 a las 17:50 -0500, William Ballard escribi: On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 11:27:59PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: From my point of view, those source packages are most often installed by a dependency of some other *utilities* package. Once they are installed, So, what you're

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread William Ballard
On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 12:30:10AM +0100, Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo wrote: including insulting you when you type stupid commands. But you don't have the right to insult people because you are pissed for not being clever enough of looking for dependencies before installing a package by hand using

ndiswrapper should be in contrib

2005-01-06 Thread Rene Engelhard
Package: ndiswrapper Severity: serious Tags: sarge, sid Hi, Christoph Hellwig wrote: On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 04:58:56PM -0500, William Ballard wrote: Apparently the dickhead maintainer of ndiswrapper-source has just gone into his shell and refuses to discuss this problem. Btw, could

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread William Ballard
On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 12:32:50AM +0100, Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo wrote: No, you should use module-assistant tool, which is a high level tool If I have installed module-assistant and ndiswrapper-source and have not installed ndiswrapper-utils and install ndiswrapper-modules the

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread Andres Salomon
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:15:53 +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote: On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 04:58:56PM -0500, William Ballard wrote: Apparently the dickhead maintainer of ndiswrapper-source has just gone into his shell and refuses to discuss this problem. Btw, could anyone explain why ndiswrapper

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread Greg Folkert
On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 17:30 -0500, William Ballard wrote: On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 11:28:55PM +0100, Sebastian Ley wrote: Btw: Leaving old packages build from -source packages around would quite well do the trick. But I suppose W.B. wants to call more people assholes before invoking

Re: ndiswrapper should be in contrib

2005-01-06 Thread Brian Nelson
On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 12:42:07AM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote: Package: ndiswrapper Severity: serious Tags: sarge, sid Hi, Christoph Hellwig wrote: On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 04:58:56PM -0500, William Ballard wrote: Apparently the dickhead maintainer of ndiswrapper-source has just gone

Bug#289062: ITP: kwin-deco-crystalgl -- KDE OpenGL-enabled 'Crystal' windeco

2005-01-06 Thread Jose Luis Tallon
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: kwin-deco-crystalgl Version : 0.7.5b Upstream Author : Sascha Hlusiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=18983 * License : GPL Description : KDE OpenGL-enabled

Re: ndiswrapper should be in contrib

2005-01-06 Thread Michael Poole
Rene Engelhard writes: Package: ndiswrapper Severity: serious Tags: sarge, sid Hi, Christoph Hellwig wrote: On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 04:58:56PM -0500, William Ballard wrote: Apparently the dickhead maintainer of ndiswrapper-source has just gone into his shell and refuses to

Re: ndiswrapper should be in contrib

2005-01-06 Thread Miguel Gea Milvaques
El dv 07 de 01 del 2005 a les 00:42 +0100, en/na Rene Engelhard va escriure: Package: ndiswrapper Severity: serious Tags: sarge, sid Hi, Christoph Hellwig wrote: On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 04:58:56PM -0500, William Ballard wrote: Apparently the dickhead maintainer of ndiswrapper-source

Re: ndiswrapper should be in contrib

2005-01-06 Thread Roberto Sanchez
Brian Nelson wrote: On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 12:42:07AM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote: Package: ndiswrapper Severity: serious Tags: sarge, sid Hi, Christoph Hellwig wrote: On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 04:58:56PM -0500, William Ballard wrote: Apparently the dickhead maintainer of ndiswrapper-source has

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread Greg Folkert
On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 18:46 -0500, William Ballard wrote: On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 12:32:50AM +0100, Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo wrote: No, you should use module-assistant tool, which is a high level tool If I have installed module-assistant and ndiswrapper-source and have not installed

Re: LCC and blobs

2005-01-06 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 06, Josh Triplett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An ICQ client wouldn't Depends: icq-server; it might Suggests: icq-server, but that's OK. A driver might at most Suggests: burned-in-firmware-for-reflashing, but it would Depends: or at a minimum Recommends: firmware-loaded-by-driver. I can't

Re: ndiswrapper should be in contrib

2005-01-06 Thread Roberto Sanchez
Roberto Sanchez wrote: From the policy manual: 2.2.2 The contrib section Every package in contrib and non-US/contrib must comply with the DFSG. In addition, the packages in contrib and non-US/contrib * must not be so buggy that we refuse to support them, and * must meet all policy

Re: apt-get should be able to install packages directly

2005-01-06 Thread Greg Folkert
On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 23:54 +0100, Blade wrote: That's the normal way. This way allows me to install dozens of module-source packages and build module packages from them for Debian kernels, without having to install a half GiB of additional software that I really do not need. What we really

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread William Ballard
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 06:55:47PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: (c) Download and install it for you. You're right, but there's still one problem: It breaks first and *then* fixes it. By the time it's broken, your old network card no longer works and you can't connect to an apt repository to fix

Re: apt-get should be able to install packages directly

2005-01-06 Thread Roberto Sanchez
Greg Folkert wrote: On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 23:54 +0100, Blade wrote: That's the normal way. This way allows me to install dozens of module-source packages and build module packages from them for Debian kernels, without having to install a half GiB of additional software that I really do not need.

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread Greg Folkert
On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 19:09 -0500, William Ballard wrote: On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 06:55:47PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: (c) Download and install it for you. You're right, but there's still one problem: It breaks first and *then* fixes it. By the time it's broken, your old network card no

Re: apt-get should be able to install packages directly

2005-01-06 Thread William Ballard
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 07:12:02PM -0500, Roberto Sanchez wrote: You drop a .deb file in there, run apt-update-repository to regenerate the Packages file, and then the package is now apt-getable. That's what I'm going to do, plus I'm going to start treating dpkg like a red-headed stepchild. :-)

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread William Ballard
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 07:13:02PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: Fine then, don't use it. It'll pull the deps before it install the modules and unloads them and re-loads them. I just didn't realize this crap was so brittle. So many ways to fix brokenness when I just don't know why dpkg even

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread Brian Nelson
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 06:50:59PM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:15:53 +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote: On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 04:58:56PM -0500, William Ballard wrote: Apparently the dickhead maintainer of ndiswrapper-source has just gone into his shell and refuses

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