legally would pretty much ruin him
financially. Whether we agree or not, I think we should respect the
author's wishes (as we did when we pulled the MP3 thingie (8hz?)).
Steve Greenland
On 17-Oct-98, 08:33 (CDT), Christian Hammers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 09:06:32PM +1000, Matthew Parry wrote:
[forcing manufacturers to release device drivers as free software]
Maybe somewhen this will happen, but during the next few years, the
hardware manufacturer
On 23-Jan-99, 14:11 (CST), Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jonathan P Tomer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
why not just have dummy packages delete themselves in postinst, if we're
going to use them?
That can be done.. but it's not quite so simple (dpkg isn't re-entrant
unless the nested
On 23-Jan-99, 18:57 (CST), Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In the meantime, please explain this to me.
C/R/P will automatically deinstall the old xfnt packages, WITHOUT
installing their replacements? Is that true of the old static libs?
No. I think one of us (quite possibly me!)
On 23-Jan-99, 21:21 (CST), Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2. Assuming the user does nothing mess with those, they would eventually
be shown a Conflict Resolution screen that would show the new xfont-*
packages selected and the xfnt-* packages deselected. User should just
hit
On 25-Jan-99, 19:06 (CST), Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree with James Treacy's observation that we will probably need two
logos: one logo with a liberal license that people can just freely, and
another, more restricted logo for things like official CD's and so.
To phrase
On 25-Jan-99, 21:11 (CST), Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
3. It's creates a first-class and second-class logo.
It creates, of course. I just love looking like an illiterate
boob in front of several thousand people...
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On 27-Jan-99, 16:54 (CST), Douglas Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On a slink machine I have a crontab entry that should perform an rsync
of a site that I mirror around 22:40 my time (-0600). I have started to
get the reports from the job a little after 16:40 my time which just
happens to be
On 21-May-99, 15:41 (CDT), Alistair Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've been asked the following:
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Now why is allowing distributions to include your program a good thing?
/quote
Because if it's not in the distribution a user has selected, the odds
are good that they will
On 24-May-99, 12:59 (CDT), Edward Betts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why does Debian only accept free software? What is so good about free
software? It is all explained in this package.
There are other reasons that free software is good (e.g. the ESR
utilitarian arguments). Some Debianers might
On 24-May-99, 22:06 (CDT), Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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utilitarian arguments). Some Debianers might agree with one philosophy,
others another.
um.. Debian GNU/Linux
^^^
I'd say that's reason enough for us
On 25-May-99, 01:47 (CDT), Edward Betts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 24 May, 1999, Steve Greenland wrote:
There are other reasons that free software is good (e.g. the ESR
utilitarian arguments). Some Debianers might agree with one philosophy,
others another. If you're going to package
On 25-May-99, 04:35 (CDT), Edward Betts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 23 May, 1999, Joseph Carter wrote:
I have the same objection to this I had to the anarchist thing: You're
trying to package their website. I don't think we should be doing that.
I changed the description so it does
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I noticed that Steve Greenland sayed he was going to remove his
jargon package because he did not think that it should be part of
Debian. I disagree, I think the jargon file is an important part
of hacker
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I found a very small vi-clone named levee on
http://www.pell.portland.or.us/~orc/Code
its exefile is 36K. Would that be small enough?
That's small enough, but consider these points:
If we are going to appeal to
? Okay, I know
it's a matter of degree, but I just don't get it.
In any case, the whole argument doesn't apply to Debian. Debian is not
an ISV, we are an OS distributor, and the packages we deliver need to be
integrated into the OS filesystem structure.
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It's a neat idea, and I'd sure like to meet my fellow Debianers, but
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they no longer check argv[0], and need to be seperate programs.
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it into a temporary directory on /home for
the upgrade.
rmdir /var/cache/apt/archives
ln -s /home/aptcache /var/cache/apt/archives
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I saw much talk about fakeroot not working with the new glibc, much talk
about it being difficult to fix, and no talk about it being fixed.
Actually
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a package unusable by
just one person in an odd sitution. On the other hand, I think all security
and data loss bugs are grave, even if only a few people can trigger them.
I agree with this conceptually, but again, it doesn't seem like that big
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affecting one package
to completely break it (if, in fact, it does -- I haven't tried it). It
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that *doesn't* need to perform the special action.
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that (and I don't forsee it happening,
after various other x should be the standard y flamefests), I think
things should stay as they are. (In the Standard vs. Optional debate,
that is. I suspect the update-alternatives priority for vim should be
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Whether or not the original upload included a binary does not change
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[*snip* good rules}
5) Of course move /usr/share/pkg to pkg-data.
Why? If I install foo, I really expect it's shared data to be in
/usr/share/foo.
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Apparently not...
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I'd still like to know what Steve Greenland thinks of this, since he
maintains nvi. I think that if the maintainers of vim and nvi agree to
swap the one that is in base, that's their perogative to do now since
the thread hasn't
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On 20-Dec-05, 09:56 (CST), Gabor Gombas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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[1] Dark blue on black. Need I say more?
That's not vim's fault:
$ echo $TERM
xterm
But this is gnome-terminal, and _not_ xterm. xterm used
might make sense.
Do you have any other suggestion in addition to the two proposed to make
vim more vi compatible?
Nope, now that you've corrected my mistake about syntax highlighting
being on by default.
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The problem is that there are really enough distinct colors to
complicated syntax highlighting that works with a variety of backgrounds
and lighting.
... are NOT really enough distinct colors to DO complicated syntax
. (Not meant sarcastically, it's
quite possible that you do see that combo better than I do.)
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`, right?
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, they seem to be figuring it out
on their own. If you have some particular packages in mind, go offer to
help.
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with base?
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On 22-Dec-05, 12:33 (CST), Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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vim-tiny depends on the 200k-ish vim-common too, so nvi seems
about half the total size of a vim
-optional
priorities?
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On 03-Jan-06, 00:46 (CST), Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 11:47:05AM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote:
If you agree with the change, do Stefano and I need to do anything
other than swap vi alternative priorities and swap important-optional
priorities?
Why
On 04-Jan-06, 05:08 (CST), paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Time to add a policy-alternatives hook to update-alternatives ??
Huh? If the admin manually sets an alternative with with
update-alternatives, it won't be overridden by a package install. What
more does she need?
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On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 08:58:49AM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote:
Such behaviour is pretty much standard alternative handling: the default
install is the lowest priority, and the optional variants have higher
priorities
* for one
particular alternative, and are perfectly happy with the all the others.
This is really a corner case, and while one should provide for corner
cases, one probably shouldn't design around corner cases.
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On 06-Jan-06, 08:28 (CST), paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Then the whole update-alternatives priority system is made pointless.
s/pointless/better/
How? If you provide the ability to determine alternative selection based
^Wdiscussion, you will be asked to leave.
Steve, hoping the smiley (and appreciation) is obvious.
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most commonly seen in ancient software that doesn't include all
of the right headers for functions like getopt().
Right. And in such cases it's trivial to fix, which makes it easier
to browse the build log for real errors. There's really no excuse for
letting these bugs live.
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not been
able to do so. I think that makes it pretty clear that using notes from
RMS to bypass this license term is unlikely to work.
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clued.
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the particular words.
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have no objection to the ITP.
[2] Countering that is that the package is named bfc rather than
brainfuck, so maybe I'm being unfair, and it's not a deliberate
attempt to rile people.
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is completely determined
by personal opinion).
So, to reiterate: if you're serious about packaging 'bfc', I certainly
don't object. Just be prepared for the occasional whining from the SPO.
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On 02-Mar-06, 15:01 (CST), Jari Aalto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The ultimate othello game with aqua-friendly graphics, full
cocoa interface and animations.
And how is that relevant to a Debian GNU/Linux user?
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not with a compiler in hosted mode. In this
mode, the compiler is allowed to have any knowledge about the standard
library builtin.
Not if the relevant header hasn't been included. No #include
string.h, no compiler messing with strdup().
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Not if the relevant header hasn't been included. No #include
string.h, no compiler messing with strdup().
You are misinformed. First, note that strdup() is not in the
standard C
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have the occasional outbreak, but I'm trying hard,
and mostly getting better. I think.
In and of itself, it wouldn't be reason to expell you, because there are
several others around here who suffer similarly. But it doesn't make it
easier for people to defend you.
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and repetitiously is being a childish asshole, but
YMMV.
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What the heck? Are you implying that would be a suitable well-formed
patch suitable for inclusion? Or did I miss some sarcasm?
You missed the sarcasm. I understood Daniel's point to be that just
because a patch is syntatically correct doesn't mean that it will (or
should) be applied.
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Currently I am starting a new project and want to know, if someone
know the existence if an imapclient library for C programing?
Michelle, please meet http://www.google.com. Google, meet Michelle.
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explicitly want, and let the
dependency system pull in anything they need.
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it supports.
Is it really mysql only?
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adding/removing packages either :).
But the config files are not necessarily added by install. However, the
description of remove in the apt-get man page could be more explicit.
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is not making us reach our technical goals.
Let's see, we're going to release potato (I *hope*) before kernel 2.4.0
is released, but we're outdated. Hmmm. Somehow, I just don't get it.
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default directories. I don't have an opinion about where the X stuff
should go, but the above argument is completely bogus FUD.
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or to
be bug-free. it means that it has been tested reasonably thoroughly
and that as far as we can tell, it works as an integrated system on a
wide variety of machines. caveat emptor.
That's a hell of lot stronger promise than could completely hose your
system.
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you fucking misrepresent my position and
twist what i said in such a reprehensible manner?
Why not? You do it to everybody else.
In the meantime, plonk!
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Like I said though, I am not messing with any of this until potato is
released.
Oh, absolutely. However, Wichert wrote woody+2, which seemed
excessive (at current rate of release, that's about 2003.)
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to the space key? You're right: the defaults should cater to the
new user, but there's no reason to deliberatly aggravate the experienced
user.
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default configs.)
If you're setting up a default color scheme for an app, the basic rule
is to use light colored text on dark backgrounds, and dark colored text
on light backgrounds. The only other thing you need to know is that
neither red nor blue are light colors.
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than apt-move (YMMV), and has the advantage (to me,
at least) that it's order-independent and completely transparent (it
doesn't matter what order which machines access the cache, one always
gets the freshest stuff, and doesn't double-download anything.)
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a dir
FWIW, I e-mailed Tom on Monday offering help, and he replied that he had
the RC stuff under control.
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, and the expectation that a
user who finds value in use of traceroute or ifconfig or whatever is
also a user who is capable of modifying their path.
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) of blue to
something lighter, then fine, do it. But I strongly believe that you
won't get anywhere near that much agreement.)
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*Plus reports v 8.1.5) with the latest
patches (as of a month ago) on a potato box with no obvious problems, I
don't have any compatibility libs installed.
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Because that's what xterms do (by default) on every other single X
implementation ever done? (Ok, that's probably an exageration...but not
completely misleading, either
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(I wonder if the preference for light-on-dark vs dark-on-light depends
on ambient light conditions?)
I usually like to work in a relatively dark room. I think I'm nocturnal or
something (looks at clock
On 24-Mar-00, 03:15 (CST), BugScan reporter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Package: nvi (debian/main)
Maintainer: Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
61035 nvi munches database dump
Fixed and in potato.
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Source: ddclient
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Standards-Version: 3.1.1
Package: ddclient
Architecture: all
Depends: perl5, debconf
Description: Update dynamic IP address at DynDNS.org
A perl based client to update your dynamic IP
that his opponents devolve into name calling and
obscenity.
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this confusing. It seems to imply that I have to hit + twice to
install a package and - twice to remove it. Very weird. What's wrong
with '=' (keep the same)?
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installation + $100 to set up the DNS (no, not register a domain,
*just* to configure the DNS). (And yes, they want the $100 installation
even though I already have everything set up and all they would have to
do is allocate the IP addresses.)
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59121 run-parts hangs during /etc/cron.daily runs
There's a reasonable looking explanation and patch associated with this
bug. Guy, would you like me to do an NMU?
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59121 run-parts hangs during /etc/cron.daily runs
There's a reasonable
On 11-Aug-00, 19:04 (CDT), Herbert Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
debview - Emacs mode for viewing Debian packages
(And I, for one, would not object to debview being folded into dpkg.)
As a vi user, I would.
Why? Oh, I see, because it depends on (x
On 15-Aug-00, 02:54 (CDT), Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As another example though, look at heimdal-kdc, which needs to ask for
the password, which must be kept as secure as possible.
Which reminds me, what sort of security is enabled in debconf? Can any
user read the values from the
On 15-Aug-00, 14:35 (CDT), paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why is it considered difficult for individual users adding /sbin and
/usr/sbin to their path if they wish to?
Because stating that it is difficult is seen as an valid argument by
those who wish sbin would go away. The fact that it is
On 15-Aug-00, 17:12 (CDT), Eray Ozkural [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was confused by not having ifconfig in my user path. On this
machine, there's only a dial-up net connection, and it has some small
connectivity problems. I need to check whether the line's really up. I
found myself going
On 16-Aug-00, 12:31 (CDT), Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blindly following your fiat declarations about traceroute are getting us
into trouble now.
What trouble is that? I don't consider having to type /sbin/traceroute
or add /sbin to my path trouble.
The constitution clearly
On 16-Aug-00, 23:43 (CDT), Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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What trouble is that? I don't consider having to type /sbin/traceroute
or add /sbin to my path trouble.
Obviously you haven't typed the actual path
On 16-Aug-00, 02:11 (CDT), Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Belive it or not, I know how to safely manage temp files and protect
sensitive information with unix permissions.
I know you do, Joey, but my concern is that since the permission
violation occurs in the backend, when the backend
On 18-Aug-00, 06:26 (CDT), Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote:
Supporting this, there's some Apt changes in CVS that'll let people choose
a few packages from one distribution and leave the rest from another.
To whoever implemented this feature: ThankyouThankyouThankyou -- it's
On 19-Aug-00, 18:56 (CDT), Ethan Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
for things like querying (dpkg -s and such) install dlocate it solves
that problem the Right Way. (unfortunatly it got removed from potato
for less then critical bugs)
man apt-cache. (Assuming you're using apt-get either
it, just that packages my assume that the
tool is present.
Steve
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to worry about compiler and libc versions as well, so you might as
well build everything.
Steve
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