Re: Bug#1059618: ITP: ssh3 -- faster and rich secure shell using HTTP/3

2024-01-14 Thread Simon Josefsson
Bastian Blank writes: > On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 11:30:14AM +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote: >> * Package name: ssh3 > > This package name is clearly not acceptable. SSH is a well known name > and this project is completely unrelated to it. Agreed. Packagers have settled on using 'soh' for

Re: Bug#1059618: ITP: ssh3 -- faster and rich secure shell using HTTP/3

2024-01-14 Thread Bastian Blank
On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 11:30:14AM +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote: > * Package name: ssh3 This package name is clearly not acceptable. SSH is a well known name and this project is completely unrelated to it. So this is an accademic project. I would question that it actually solves the same

Re: Bug#1059618: ITP: ssh3 -- faster and rich secure shell using HTTP/3

2023-12-30 Thread Marvin Renich
* Jonathan Kamens [231230 14:39]: > I think even "ssh-h3" is a confusing and frankly impudent name. The > creator of this new package appears to be intentionally trying to use > the ubiquity of the ssh "brand" to their benefit. This brand confusion > can only harm end users and I do not think

Re: Bug#1059618: ITP: ssh3 -- faster and rich secure shell using HTTP/3

2023-12-30 Thread rhys
Based on this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38664729 I would say that others have come to the same conclusion. Even the post title literally says it's not really "SSHv3" but rather SSHv2 using a different transport mechanism. A package name that reflects THAT might be appropriate -

Re: Bug#1059618: ITP: ssh3 -- faster and rich secure shell using HTTP/3

2023-12-30 Thread Jonathan Kamens
I think even "ssh-h3" is a confusing and frankly impudent name. The creator of this new package appears to be intentionally trying to use the ubiquity of the ssh "brand" to their benefit. This brand confusion can only harm end users and I do not think Debian should facilitate it. Even

Re: Bug#1059618: ITP: ssh3 -- faster and rich secure shell using HTTP/3

2023-12-30 Thread Marvin Renich
* Simon Josefsson [231230 11:54]: > One alternative that was suggested was to call the package something > else in Debian. 'golang-ssh3'? 'go-ssh3'? Still somewhat problematic > as long as the 'ssh3' name is in there. There is no reason the package (source and binary) can't be named ssh-h3

Re: Bug#1059618: ITP: ssh3 -- faster and rich secure shell using HTTP/3

2023-12-30 Thread Emmanuel Arias
[snip] I agree - as the Debian OpenSSH maintainer, I'm concerned that this will cause a new source of user confusion because people will think "ah, ssh3, that must be better than ssh" (which indeed seems to have been a This was my first think [snip] -- cheers, Emmanuel Arias

Re: Bug#1059618: ITP: ssh3 -- faster and rich secure shell using HTTP/3

2023-12-30 Thread Simon Josefsson
Colin Watson writes: > On Sat, Dec 30, 2023 at 12:13:28AM +0100, Philipp Kern wrote: >> On 29.12.23 11:30, Simon Josefsson wrote: >> > SSH3 is a complete revisit of the SSH protocol, mapping its semantics on >> > top of the HTTP mechanisms. In a nutshell, SSH3 uses QUIC+TLS1.3 for >> > secure

Re: Bug#1059618: ITP: ssh3 -- faster and rich secure shell using HTTP/3

2023-12-30 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Dec 30, 2023 at 12:13:28AM +0100, Philipp Kern wrote: > On 29.12.23 11:30, Simon Josefsson wrote: > > SSH3 is a complete revisit of the SSH protocol, mapping its semantics on > > top of the HTTP mechanisms. In a nutshell, SSH3 uses QUIC+TLS1.3 for > > secure channel establishment and the

Re: Bug#1059618: ITP: ssh3 -- faster and rich secure shell using HTTP/3

2023-12-30 Thread Simon Josefsson
Packaging of SSH3 is available here: https://salsa.debian.org/go-team/packages/ssh3 https://salsa.debian.org/jas/ssh3/ Thanks to the Salsa CI/CD pipeline there is an aptly repository available for easy testing, if anyone would like to experiment or help. Below you can find a snippet how you can

Re: Bug#1059618: ITP: ssh3 -- faster and rich secure shell using HTTP/3

2023-12-29 Thread Simon Josefsson
Philipp Kern writes: > On 29.12.23 11:30, Simon Josefsson wrote: >> Package: wnpp >> Severity: wishlist >> X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian...@lists.debian.org >> * Package name: ssh3 >>Version : 0.1.4 >>Upstream Contact: François Michel >> * URL

Re: Bug#1059618: ITP: ssh3 -- faster and rich secure shell using HTTP/3

2023-12-29 Thread Philipp Kern
On 29.12.23 11:30, Simon Josefsson wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian...@lists.debian.org * Package name: ssh3 Version : 0.1.4 Upstream Contact: François Michel * URL : https://github.com/francoismichel/ssh3

Bug#1059618: ITP: ssh3 -- faster and rich secure shell using HTTP/3

2023-12-29 Thread Simon Josefsson
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian...@lists.debian.org * Package name: ssh3 Version : 0.1.4 Upstream Contact: François Michel * URL : https://github.com/francoismichel/ssh3 * License : Apache-2.0 Programming