* Wed 2006-06-07 Axel Beckert abe AT deuxchevaux.org
* Message-Id: 20060607001535.GT3066 AT fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de
Hi!
I'm creating a meta package for install a lite desktop for old
machines with poor hardware.
Hey, that's a really cool idea! Debian is one of the last modern (and
not
Le mercredi 07 juin 2006 à 02:15 +0200, Axel Beckert a écrit :
Hi!
I'm creating a meta package for install a lite desktop for old
machines with poor hardware.
Hey, that's a really cool idea! Debian is one of the last modern (and
not specialised) Linux distribution feasible for old and
At 1149646535 past the epoch, Axel Beckert wrote:
Why gdm and not wdm? gdm depends on a horribly large bunch
of libraries including GNOME. wdm depends on way less
libraries, looks not as bare as xdm by default does and
still is fast and easy to use. (We use it on all our
Debian workstations
Hi!
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 12:21:13PM +0200, Jérôme Warnier wrote:
(the graphics card is no more supported in XFree 4.x and there
no more supported in Sarge) to get it running.
To my knowledge, at some point, the XFree86 Team treated the
no-longer-existing-in-4.x drivers as bugs.
Thanks
Am Mittwoch, 7. Juni 2006 02:15 schrieb Axel Beckert:
+ The dropping of the 2.4 kernel line: This will drop AFAIK support
for e.g. active ISDN cards.
The other way round: active cards are still supported as before, at least the
AVM B1 cards and all others that already support CAPI.
What
Am Mittwoch, 7. Juni 2006 15:21 schrieb Axel Beckert:
I have a laptop with a GD 7543 chip. And I won't throw away a working
laptop just because its graphics card isn't supported and can't be
exchanged either.
What about using the vesa of fbdev drivers? Maybe slow but working.
HS
Le mercredi 07 juin 2006 à 19:04 +0200, Hendrik Sattler a écrit :
Am Mittwoch, 7. Juni 2006 15:21 schrieb Axel Beckert:
I have a laptop with a GD 7543 chip. And I won't throw away a working
laptop just because its graphics card isn't supported and can't be
exchanged either.
What about
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 07:04:40PM +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 7. Juni 2006 15:21 schrieb Axel Beckert:
I have a laptop with a GD 7543 chip. And I won't throw away a working
laptop just because its graphics card isn't supported and can't be
exchanged either.
What about
Jérôme Warnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
To my knowledge, at some point, the XFree86 Team treated the
no-longer-existing-in-4.x drivers as bugs. They requested anybody who
noticed that its graphics card worked with previous versions of XFree86
but no longer with 4.x to submit a bug and it
Hi!
I'm creating a meta package for install a lite desktop for old
machines with poor hardware.
Hey, that's a really cool idea! Debian is one of the last modern (and
not specialised) Linux distribution feasible for old and slow
hardware, especially old PCs. But Sarge already made a big step
On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 10:27:50AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
Localepurge is a bad hack which tries to compensate for a shortcoming
in dpkg,
maybe a bad hack, but very useful in light desktop -
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On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 10:27:50AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
On Fri, 12 May 2006 01:10:17 +0200, Eugen Paiuc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I'd add localepurge - witch save my 25 % disk space on 6-700 mb
installation.
Localepurge is a bad hack which tries to compensate for a shortcoming
in dpkg,
On Sun, 14 May 2006 20:49:46 +0200, David Weinehall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 10:27:50AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
Localepurge is a bad hack which tries to compensate for a shortcoming
in dpkg, one that I have been waiting to be fixed since I started
using Debian nearly
On Fri, 12 May 2006 01:10:17 +0200, Eugen Paiuc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I'd add localepurge - witch save my 25 % disk space on 6-700 mb
installation.
Localepurge is a bad hack which tries to compensate for a shortcoming
in dpkg, one that I have been waiting to be fixed since I started
using
Hi,
I'd add localepurge - witch save my 25 % disk space on 6-700 mb
installation.
Thanks!
Eugen Paiuc
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At 1144985401 past the epoch, Keegan Quinn wrote:
* Full desktop (or Heavy maybe?)
* KDE
* GNOME
* Light desktop (or Advanced maybe?)
No complaints so far
* openbox
* fluxbox
* etc.
No - if someone knows which window manager they want they're
sufficiently
At 1144928811 past the epoch, Eduard Bloch wrote:
As said, Gnome bloat. Use gqview or pornview.
The latter has been orphaned[1].
[1] http://bugs.debian.org/316934
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#include hallo.h
* Don Armstrong [Sun, Apr 16 2006, 11:35:07PM]:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2006, Eduard Bloch wrote:
Much, much, much? Where? Some eye-catchers (collage, HTTP client
builtin) but not much for daily use for a desktop system:
- no picture browser GUI
Uh... feh -t .;
Primitive
On Sun, 16 Apr 2006, Eduard Bloch wrote:
Much, much, much? Where? Some eye-catchers (collage, HTTP client
builtin) but not much for daily use for a desktop system:
- no picture browser GUI
Uh... feh -t .;
- no picture management function
mv, rm, rename. Check. [feh -A 'mv %f foo/%n' if
Scripsit Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Now, if you're arguing that this may not be appropriate for those who
are afraid of a command line or a program that has more than 50
command line options, that may be the case... but it definetly gets
rid of the bloat present in other image viewers.
2006/4/14, Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Thu, Apr 13, 2006 at 04:20:13PM +0300, Linas Žvirblis wrote:
Joey Hess wrote:
Z
If so, I would be happy to add this to tasksel, so that the desktop task
automatically installs it if it detects a system that is not easily
capable of running
2006/4/14, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 09:40 +0200, Giuseppe Sacco wrote:
Il giorno gio, 13/04/2006 alle 11.46 +0200, Eduard Bloch ha scritto:
[...]
- evince
As other pointed out, does basically the same job as xpdf but pulls half
of the Gnome.
If you
2006/4/14, Christian Perrier [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I am sure this has been discussed many times, but one thing i would
really like to see in tasksel is:
Many many times, yes..:-)
Joey often raised an argument about novice users likely to be confused
by a KDE/Gnome choice, not knowing the
2006/4/14, Yves-Alexis Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Thu, 2006-04-13 at 11:46 +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
- file-roller
Is there really no other choice without GNOME dependencies?
there is xarchiver, entered recently in unstable
Hmm...
Looks like a file-roller fork, but only needs GTK+2
Linas Žvirblis wrote:
Now this Light Desktop - something totally untested, composed of
entirely separate pieces of software that might or might not work well
together. Will we ever be able to do half as much testing in Debian, as
it was done for KDE/GNOME? Is it even ethical to use Debian
Joey Hess wrote:
By this lie of reasoning the only task that Debian can afford to ship is
either KDE or Gnome.
No, not at all. That is not what I was trying to say. KDE and GNOME were
examples of something that did not happen overnight. They proved worthy
of becoming a task. Would you accept
Linas Žvirblis wrote:
Joey Hess wrote:
By this lie of reasoning the only task that Debian can afford to ship is
either KDE or Gnome.
No, not at all. That is not what I was trying to say. KDE and GNOME were
examples of something that did not happen overnight. They proved worthy
of
Thiemo Seufer wrote:
A XFCE-based lightweight desktop also isn't something which happened
overnight.
As in xfce4 package, sure. But all the additional applications are
something to be considered very carefully.
It's the usual thing I install as desktop environment, and
I appreciate that it
#include hallo.h
* Don Armstrong [Fri, Apr 14 2006, 02:02:17PM]:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2006, Torsten Marek wrote:
- eog
As said, Gnome bloat. Use gqview or pornview.
Well, don't take pornview or you'll soon have a bug report about
politically incorrect package names;-)
Try feh. Much,
Therefore I suggest doing this...
- I don't know (both of them)
- KDE desktop environment
- Gnome desktop environment
...and leaving the specialized tasks for CDDs, because that is what they
are for, right?
Well, I haven't followed the rest of the thread (the part where people
On Thu, 2006-04-13 at 09:08 -0300, André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira wrote:
2006/4/11, Bernhard R. Link [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
* Andr Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] [060411 18:45]:
- x-window-system-core
- xfce4 (beautiful!)
- gdm
[...]
- gnome-ppp
- gnome-utils
hi
auf der debian-devel liste findet gerade eine diskusion ueber einen
debian light desktop. hier der stein des anstosses.
jan-david
André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi !
I'm creating a meta package for install a lite desktop for old
machines with poor hardware.
I
Christian Perrier wrote:
Well, I haven't followed the rest of the thread (the part where people
wonder which package could pertain to a Light desktop task) but I've
seen Joey suggest himself to turn it into a task.
So have I. But I am against it nevertheless.
Do not get me wrong. I am not
On Thu, Apr 13, 2006 at 04:20:13PM +0300, Linas Žvirblis wrote:
Joey Hess wrote:
Z
If so, I would be happy to add this to tasksel, so that the desktop task
automatically installs it if it detects a system that is not easily
capable of running kde/gnome. Tasksel has the infrastructure
Il giorno gio, 13/04/2006 alle 11.46 +0200, Eduard Bloch ha scritto:
[...]
- evince
As other pointed out, does basically the same job as xpdf but pulls half
of the Gnome.
If you just want to display PDF files then probably xpdf is a better
option, but Evince has a really nice feature: it
On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 09:40 +0200, Giuseppe Sacco wrote:
Il giorno gio, 13/04/2006 alle 11.46 +0200, Eduard Bloch ha scritto:
[...]
- evince
As other pointed out, does basically the same job as xpdf but pulls half
of the Gnome.
If you just want to display PDF files then probably
On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 03:00:44AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 09:40 +0200, Giuseppe Sacco wrote:
Il giorno gio, 13/04/2006 alle 11.46 +0200, Eduard Bloch ha scritto:
[...]
- evince
As other pointed out, does basically the same job as xpdf but pulls half
of
[Kevin Mark]
What about: '100-300MHZ system desktop(XFCE)'
Also, based upon the cpu/mem info, display:
you machine has a 766MHZ processor with 128MB memory.
[x]KDE desktop environment[500mhz or greater]
[ ]GNOME desktop evirnoenne[500mhz or greater]
[ ]XFCE desktop enviorneme[300mhz or
I am sure this has been discussed many times, but one thing i would
really like to see in tasksel is:
Many many times, yes..:-)
Joey often raised an argument about novice users likely to be confused
by a KDE/Gnome choice, not knowing the difference between both.
Your suggestion adds an
Le Vendredi 14 Avril 2006 08:28, Kevin Mark a écrit :
Hi Linas,
what about /proc/cpuinfo to determine MHZ and /proc/meminfo to find MB.
does this provide some way to get this info accross all (or most) of the
archs/subarch?
And how about using /proc/* to guess what kind of storage is avalable
On Thu, 2006-04-13 at 11:46 +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
- file-roller
Is there really no other choice without GNOME dependencies?
there is xarchiver, entered recently in unstable
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On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 10:19:20AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote:
I would vote against too much choices if we go this way,
though. Probably if the multiple desktop environments suggestion is
implemented, it should be restricted to four choices:
-I dont know
-KDE
-Gnome
-Light desktop
Christian Perrier wrote:
Joey often raised an argument about novice users likely to be confused
by a KDE/Gnome choice, not knowing the difference between both.
That is undoubtedly true for novice (as in first time) users, but we
should realize that there is a large group of users that are
André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Any particular reason for not just using xpdf?
Evince have more resources and combine with the Xfce interface.
In the reality I would like to keep the applications with the same
appearance. Possibly gtk2.
Er, that's nice, but as long as
Giuseppe Sacco [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As other pointed out, does basically the same job as xpdf but pulls half
of the Gnome.
If you just want to display PDF files then probably xpdf is a better
option, but Evince has a really nice feature: it show TIFF multipage.
This is the *only* free
On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 11:17:50AM +0900, Miles Bader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Any particular reason for not just using xpdf?
Evince have more resources and combine with the Xfce interface.
In the reality I would like to keep the
#include hallo.h
* Ron Johnson [Fri, Apr 14 2006, 03:00:44AM]:
On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 09:40 +0200, Giuseppe Sacco wrote:
If you just want to display PDF files then probably xpdf is a better
option, but Evince has a really nice feature: it show TIFF multipage.
This is the *only* free
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* André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira [Tue, Apr 11 2006, 01:44:57PM]:
Hi !
I'm creating a meta package for install a lite desktop for old
machines with poor hardware.
I would like to receive opinions about my
Mike Hommey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The renders documents much more nicely is absolutely wrong
No it's not. Perhaps you haven't used xpdf recently.
In particular, xpdf seems to do a _much_ better job of anti-aliasing
fonts than evince: xpdf's antialiasing generally manages to be both
smooth
On Fri, 14 Apr 2006, Torsten Marek wrote:
- eog
As said, Gnome bloat. Use gqview or pornview.
Well, don't take pornview or you'll soon have a bug report about
politically incorrect package names;-)
Try feh. Much, much more powerful, and much, much nicer.
Don Armstrong
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Linas Žvirblis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Miles Bader wrote:
- evince
Any particular reason for not just using xpdf?
Especially since xpdf seems to do a much better job of rendering many
pdf documents... [Evince has nicer looking widgets though.]
Not only that, but Evince can be quite
André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira wrote:
I'm creating a meta package for install a lite desktop for old
machines with poor hardware.
I would like to receive opinions about my packages list:
I'm glad to see someone working on this. I hope you manage to find a
consensus for some good default
2006/4/11, Yves-Alexis Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Tue, 2006-04-11 at 13:44 -0300, André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira wrote:
Hi !
I'm creating a meta package for install a lite desktop for old
machines with poor hardware.
Great task.
I would like to receive opinions about my packages list:
2006/4/11, Daniel Dickinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
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André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi !
I'm creating a meta package for install a lite desktop for old
machines with poor hardware.
2006/4/11, Bernhard R. Link [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
* Andr Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] [060411 18:45]:
- x-window-system-core
- xfce4 (beautiful!)
- gdm
[...]
- gnome-ppp
- gnome-utils
Definitions differ, but I'd not call something light pulling in
half of gnome. What about
Frank Küster wrote:
Not only that, but Evince can be quite slow at rendering complex documents.
Are there any benchmarks on that? poppler (on which evince is based)
aims to be better than xpdf in that, but it seems some of the additional
functions have slowed it down. The poppler people
On Thu, 2006-04-13 at 08:22 -0300, André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira wrote:
2006/4/11, Yves-Alexis Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Do you plan to add a music/media player ? a slow machine can't play HD
videos but can play music so
Yeap! XMMS ?
xmms is gtk1 so maybe it will not fit nicely. But
2006/4/12, Margarita Manterola [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Some comments on the choice of programs.
On 4/11/06, André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- mozilla-firefox
- mozilla-thunderbird
As other pointed out, I'd go for dillo and Sylphed. Maybe include the
mozilla-ones as
2006/4/13, Linas Žvirblis [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Frank Küster wrote:
Not only that, but Evince can be quite slow at rendering complex documents.
Are there any benchmarks on that? poppler (on which evince is based)
aims to be better than xpdf in that, but it seems some of the additional
Quoting Joey Hess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
I think this would be better than a meta package because it would be
available in the regular install, and it would avoid some of the issues
with meta packages.
I second this proposal. Indeed, I was about pinging Joey about this
thread because it fits a
At 1144766211 past the epoch, Daniel Dickinson wrote:
- x-window-system-core
- xfce4 (beautiful!)
You may want to offer a choice of window manager. On
low-end machines I'm partial to WindowMaker, but IceWm,
FluxBox, or BlackBox are also good choices.
I'd use Recommends or Suggests for
On Thu, 2006-04-13 at 09:26 -0300, André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira wrote:
to control processes (kill for sample) ?
there is an xfce4-taskmanager not yet in the archive.
see http://heracles.corsac.net/~corsac/xfce4-taskmanager.png
Maybe it would fit your needs ?
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Joey Hess wrote:
If so, I would be happy to add this to tasksel, so that the desktop task
automatically installs it if it detects a system that is not easily
capable of running kde/gnome. Tasksel has the infrastructure needed to
support doing this kind of thing, just a matter of finding
Le Jeu 13 Avril 2006 15:20, Linas Žvirblis a écrit :
I think this would be better than a meta package because it would
be available in the regular install, and it would avoid some of the
issues with meta packages.
Meta package or not, I do not consider Light Desktop a good name
because it
On Thu, 2006-04-13 at 15:28 +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
Le Jeu 13 Avril 2006 15:20, Linas Žvirblis a écrit :
I think this would be better than a meta package because it would
be available in the regular install, and it would avoid some of the
issues with meta packages.
Meta package
2006/4/13, Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Le Jeu 13 Avril 2006 15:20, Linas Žvirblis a écrit :
I think this would be better than a meta package because it would
be available in the regular install, and it would avoid some of the
issues with meta packages.
Meta package or not, I
André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira wrote:
2006/4/13, Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Le Jeu 13 Avril 2006 15:20, Linas Žvirblis a écrit :
I think this would be better than a meta package because it would
be available in the regular install, and it would avoid some of the
issues with
#include hallo.h
* André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira [Tue, Apr 11 2006, 01:44:57PM]:
Hi !
I'm creating a meta package for install a lite desktop for old
machines with poor hardware.
I would like to receive opinions about my packages list:
- x-window-system-core
- xfce4 (beautiful!)
Depends.
Daniel Dickinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
- evince
Any particular reason for not just using xpdf?
Especially since xpdf seems to do a much better job of rendering many
pdf documents... [Evince has nicer looking widgets though.]
-Miles
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Miles Bader wrote:
- evince
Any particular reason for not just using xpdf?
Especially since xpdf seems to do a much better job of rendering many
pdf documents... [Evince has nicer looking widgets though.]
Not only that, but Evince can be quite slow at rendering complex documents.
Of
Hi !
I'm creating a meta package for install a lite desktop for old
machines with poor hardware.
I would like to receive opinions about my packages list:
- x-window-system-core
- xfce4 (beautiful!)
- gdm
- gftp
- mozilla-firefox
- mozilla-thunderbird
- menu
- gcalctool (or xcalc)
- evince
- eog
On Tue, 2006-04-11 at 13:44 -0300, André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira wrote:
Hi !
I'm creating a meta package for install a lite desktop for old
machines with poor hardware.
Great task.
I would like to receive opinions about my packages list:
- x-window-system-core
- xfce4 (beautiful!)
Yeah
On Tue, 2006-04-11 at 13:44 -0300, André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira wrote:
Hi !
I'm creating a meta package for install a lite desktop for old
machines with poor hardware.
I would like to receive opinions about my packages list:
- x-window-system-core
- xfce4 (beautiful!)
- gdm
- gftp
-
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André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi !
I'm creating a meta package for install a lite desktop for old
machines with poor hardware.
That's an admiral goal, however I would be prepared for a
* Andr Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] [060411 18:45]:
- x-window-system-core
- xfce4 (beautiful!)
- gdm
[...]
- gnome-ppp
- gnome-utils
Definitions differ, but I'd not call something light pulling in
half of gnome. What about Debian Light Gnome Desktop?
Hochachtungsvoll,
On Tue, Apr 11, 2006 at 01:44:57PM -0300, Andr? Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira wrote:
Hi !
I'm creating a meta package for install a lite desktop for old
machines with poor hardware.
I would like to receive opinions about my packages list:
- x-window-system-core
Note that this metapackage, as
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