Re: Bug#737634: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-11 Thread Neil Williams
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 22:13:45 +0100 Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org wrote: Sigh. On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 12:59:23PM +, Neil Williams wrote: Using packages to support upstream development is a common problem /common problem/common source of problems/ and this is exactly where things

Re: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-11 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Wookey wookey at wookware.org writes: Do I understand this correctly - that it prevents a package cross-binutils-0.1 to generate binaries called binutils-arm-linux-gnueabi-2.24-3 binutils-arm-linux-gnueabihf-2.24-3 Actually, these packages will be buggy usually: debhelper uses the source

Re: Bug#737634: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-10 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Sigh. On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 12:59:23PM +, Neil Williams wrote: Using packages to support upstream development is a common problem and this is exactly where things get awkward. No, it is not a *problem*; it is a *method* of doing things. It is not your place (nor mine) to question

Re: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-05 Thread Lukas Anzinger
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org wrote: The 3.0 (native) format is useful when packaging a work that is developped and distributed in a Git repository. Please leave us this possibility. Can you elaborate a bit? From my understanding of your description I'd

Re: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-05 Thread Sam Hartman
control: subscribe -1 Charles == Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes: Charles The 3.0 (native) format is useful when packaging a work Charles that is developped and distributed in a Git repository. Charles Please leave us this possibility. Let me describe the use case I have

Re: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-05 Thread Andreas Beckmann
On 2014-02-05 10:57, Sam Hartman wrote: tarballs useful; anyone who is likely to want to build this from source probably has a copy of git and can checkout a tag. Such a tag corresponds to an upstrema version? I'm happy to entertain other options rather than 3.0(native) but my requirements

Re: Bug#737634: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-05 Thread Sam Hartman
Andreas == Andreas Beckmann a...@debian.org writes: Andreas On 2014-02-05 10:57, Sam Hartman wrote: tarballs useful; anyone who is likely to want to build this from source probably has a copy of git and can checkout a tag. Andreas Such a tag corresponds to an upstrema version?

Re: Bug#737634: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-05 Thread Neil Williams
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 12:21:30 + Sam Hartman hartm...@debian.org wrote: Andreas == Andreas Beckmann a...@debian.org writes: Andreas On 2014-02-05 10:57, Sam Hartman wrote: tarballs useful; anyone who is likely to want to build this from source probably has a copy of git and

Re: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-05 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 12:46:09PM +0100, Andreas Beckmann a écrit : All this sounds like it can be done with git-buildpackage Hello everybody, I have the impression that we are arguing because of solution in search for a problem. Some things worked with the previous version of dpkg, with no

Re: Bug#737634: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-05 Thread Sam Hartman
Neil == Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org writes: That makes sense and I do something similar as appropriate. Even so, I do not wish to maintain the upstream tarball as a maintained artifact. There are cases where packaging release releases are made. Maintaining pristine-tar commits for daily

Re: Bug#737634: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-05 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Sam Hartman hartm...@debian.org [140205 13:27]: no, that means I have to maintain the artifact (namely the .orig.tar.gz). The archive software (both reprepro and dak were I to use that) require that the .orig.tar.gz not change checksums. I don't want my build machines to be able to push

Re: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-05 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org [140205 14:18]: Who benefited directly from the change of behavior ? Nobody ? Then please revert it; it was not necessary. Most import are people starting to create Debian packages. At least with 3.0 source packages they no longer have to care about the

Re: Bug#737634: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-05 Thread Sam Hartman
Bernhard == Bernhard R Link brl...@debian.org writes: As I mentioned I have a packaging branch and an upstream branch. I wish to use debian revisions to reflect packaging changes. It's slightly more complex than changes to debian directory involve a debian revision change; changes to other

RE: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-04 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=700177 How to override this new behaviour that breaks backwards compatibility of existing packages that (abuse) these bad version numbers? It appears to be enforcing a Debian Project Policy onto packages which are not in Debian. Can this be

Re: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-04 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Dimitri John Ledkov x...@debian.org, 2014-02-04, 13:30: Enforcing Debian Policy at dpkg-source -b . level, is not a good idea, especially when it breaks backwards compat for 3rd parties. We have lintian, and ftp-master lintian auto-rejects to clense the archive if so is desired. Hear,

Re: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-04 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
On 4 February 2014 13:38, Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org wrote: * Dimitri John Ledkov x...@debian.org, 2014-02-04, 13:30: Enforcing Debian Policy at dpkg-source -b . level, is not a good idea, especially when it breaks backwards compat for 3rd parties. We have lintian, and ftp-master lintian

Re: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-04 Thread Ian Jackson
Dimitri John Ledkov writes (Re: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages): Patch is attached to the new bug filed about this issue http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=737634 Proposed patch adds --force-native dpkg-source

RE: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-04 Thread Ian Jackson
Dimitri John Ledkov writes (RE: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages): http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=700177 ... Can this be reverted, or dpkg-source option provided to override this new behaviour that is rejecting

Re: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-04 Thread Wookey
+++ Dimitri John Ledkov [2014-02-04 13:30 +]: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=700177 Do I understand this correctly - that it prevents a package cross-binutils-0.1 to generate binaries called binutils-arm-linux-gnueabi-2.24-3 binutils-arm-linux-gnueabihf-2.24-3 unless

Re: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-04 Thread Stephen Kitt
On Tue, 4 Feb 2014 16:20:28 +, Wookey woo...@wookware.org wrote: +++ Dimitri John Ledkov [2014-02-04 13:30 +]: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=700177 Do I understand this correctly - that it prevents a package cross-binutils-0.1 to generate binaries called

Re: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-04 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
On 4 February 2014 16:20, Wookey woo...@wookware.org wrote: +++ Dimitri John Ledkov [2014-02-04 13:30 +]: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=700177 Do I understand this correctly - that it prevents a package cross-binutils-0.1 to generate binaries called No, you can still

Re: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-04 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 02:05:45PM +, Dimitri John Ledkov a écrit : On 4 February 2014 13:38, Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org wrote: * Dimitri John Ledkov x...@debian.org, 2014-02-04, 13:30: Enforcing Debian Policy at dpkg-source -b . level, is not a good idea, especially when it breaks