On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:00:04PM +0100, markus schnalke wrote:
Hoi,
I know it is not possible to _know_ the real percentage of uses which
submit popcon stats of all users. But I want to ask for guesses,
because more oppinions do likely improve the result.
My current guess is between 1/3
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Russ Allbery wrote:
[...]
what packages on your servers are missing security patches, basically
popularity-contest doesn't submit package versions, so it is not *that* easy to
know whether security updates have been installed or not.
As for what
Franklin PIAT wrote:
[...]
* Some system are unproperly configured and can't submit
their popcon (missing http proxy ; smtp server is wrong or blocked
by their ISP). Especially when people are travelling.
Or there's no internet connection when popcon runs and tries to submit via http
so it
At Thu, 15 Jan 2009 22:00:04 +0100,
markus schnalke wrote:
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Hoi,
I know it is not possible to _know_ the real percentage of uses which
submit popcon stats of all users. But I want to ask for guesses,
because more oppinions do likely improve the result.
On Sat,17.Jan.09, 01:05:47, Kjeldgaard Morten wrote:
On 16/01/2009, at 18.27, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
Did you think about thousands of computers having 'private ips' with
some nat translation and/or local proxie? (I'm thinking of computer
labs, companies, etc. not just the odd home user).
Bernd Eckenfels e...@lina.inka.de writes:
In article 87d4enbfqd@mocca.josefsson.org you wrote:
It would establish an upper bound of well-administrated debian machines,
I think.
It is a lower bound, since I guess there are more cases where more than one
machine is updated. The case that
[Markus Schnalke]
I know it is not possible to _know_ the real percentage of uses
which submit popcon stats of all users. But I want to ask for
guesses, because more oppinions do likely improve the result.
A while back, someone with access to the download logs for
security.debian.org tried to
On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:45:12 +0100
Kjeldgaard Morten m...@bioxray.au.dk wrote:
Thanks. Unless you setup some experimental method, any argument
should reduce
to handwaving or extension of various particular examples..
Surely, it must be possible to get an estimate of the number of
[2009-01-16 10:09] Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org
The whole thing is a complete unknown.
Of course you're right. But it's the best we have.
Instead of leaving it with ``we simply don't know'', I prefer to
estimate on the (unsure) data sources that are available.
For my case, I received
Le Friday 16 January 2009 11:51:50 markus schnalke, vous avez écrit :
[2009-01-16 10:09] Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org
The whole thing is a complete unknown.
Of course you're right. But it's the best we have.
Instead of leaving it with ``we simply don't know'', I prefer to
estimate on
[2009-01-16 12:06] Romain Beauxis to...@rastageeks.org
Le Friday 16 January 2009 11:51:50 markus schnalke, vous avez écrit :
[2009-01-16 10:09] Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org
The whole thing is a complete unknown.
Of course you're right. But it's the best we have.
Instead of
Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org writes:
On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:45:12 +0100
Kjeldgaard Morten m...@bioxray.au.dk wrote:
Thanks. Unless you setup some experimental method, any argument
should reduce
to handwaving or extension of various particular examples..
Surely, it must be
Hi
Noah Slater wrote:
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:00:04PM +0100, markus schnalke wrote:
I know it is not possible to _know_ the real percentage of uses which
submit popcon stats of all users. But I want to ask for guesses,
because more oppinions do likely improve the result.
[..] is like
James Vega james...@debian.org writes:
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:55 PM, markus schnalke mei...@marmaro.de wrote:
[2009-01-15 22:37] Michael Goetze mgoe...@mgoetze.net
before wild speculations ensues, you might want to specify what you
really want to know: the percentage of people installing
On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:24:58 +0100
Simon Josefsson si...@josefsson.org wrote:
Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org writes:
Surely, it must be possible to get an estimate of the number of
downloads of important packages and security updates? I know these
downloads also are requested from
On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:21:29 +
Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org wrote:
In that case, I'm probably responsible to thousands of 'installations'
OK, that's an exaggeration but it's certainly hundreds since Etch.
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El Vie 16 Ene 2009, Simon Josefsson escribió:
How about numbers for security.debian.org downloads? That will measure
the number of well-administrated debian machines (except those
well-administrated machines that use other mirrors).
well-administrated *etch* machines.
luciano
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* Luciano Bello [Fri, 16 Jan 2009 11:37:39 -0200]:
El Vie 16 Ene 2009, Simon Josefsson escribió:
How about numbers for security.debian.org downloads? That will measure
the number of well-administrated debian machines (except those
well-administrated machines that use other mirrors).
Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org writes:
On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:24:58 +0100
Simon Josefsson si...@josefsson.org wrote:
Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org writes:
Surely, it must be possible to get an estimate of the number of
downloads of important packages and security updates? I
On Friday 16 January 2009 15:42:38 Neil Williams wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:21:29 +
Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org wrote:
In that case, I'm probably responsible to thousands of 'installations'
OK, that's an exaggeration but it's certainly hundreds since Etch.
This is true, but I
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Simon Josefsson wrote:
Merely the number of distinct IP addresses downloading a particular
popular update from security.debian.org at least once would be
interesting.
Did you think about thousands of computers having 'private ips' with
some nat
Petter Reinholdtsen p...@hungry.com writes:
A while back, someone with access to the download logs for
security.debian.org tried to estimate the number of machines downloading
security fixes for Debian, based on the assumption that no-one is using
a mirror for security fixes. I am unable to
On 16/01/2009, at 11.09, Neil Williams wrote:
How do you map the number of downloads to the number of users or
machines? I have dozens of chroots that I use for multiple reasons.
Now, maybe I should use an apt proxy but most of these are
cross-building chroots so that doesn't help as the proxy
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:18:14AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
It's worth bearing in mind that that's a bad assumption, too. We
use a local security mirror in full knowledge that it's not
recommended, but we watch it closely and will manually sync if
need be. We do this because we have systems
Johannes Wiedersich johan...@physik.blm.tu-muenchen.de writes:
Simon Josefsson wrote:
Merely the number of distinct IP addresses downloading a particular
popular update from security.debian.org at least once would be
interesting.
Did you think about thousands of computers having 'private
On 16/01/2009, at 23.25, The Fungi wrote:
Same here, though with a caching Debian package proxy instead of an
actual mirror. Nonetheless, s.d.o only sees one download of a given
security update even though it's actually being retrieved by
hundreds of machines.
On 16/01/2009, at 18.27,
In article 200901161206.13302.to...@rastageeks.org you wrote:
If the answer is we don't know, then we don't know. Problem is that you
don't give any ground to your claims, hence it is far worse to give any
estimation.
But if you say we see security donloads from x unique IPs for every new
In article 87d4enbfqd@mocca.josefsson.org you wrote:
It would establish an upper bound of well-administrated debian machines,
I think.
It is a lower bound, since I guess there are more cases where more than one
machine is updated. The case that you download without need or as a
duplicate
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 01:05:47AM +0100, Kjeldgaard Morten wrote:
Hundreds of machines accessing proxies, and thousands having
private IPs. Are these numbers something you know or are you just
throwing them around? Otherwise they can of course be accounted
for in the total estimate ;-)
I
Hoi,
I know it is not possible to _know_ the real percentage of uses which
submit popcon stats of all users. But I want to ask for guesses,
because more oppinions do likely improve the result.
My current guess is between 1/3 and 2/3.
What do you think?
meillo
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Hi,
I know it is not possible to _know_ the real percentage of uses which
submit popcon stats of all users. But I want to ask for guesses,
because more oppinions do likely improve the result.
My current guess is between 1/3 and 2/3.
What do you think?
before wild speculations ensues, you
[2009-01-15 22:37] Michael Goetze mgoe...@mgoetze.net
before wild speculations ensues, you might want to specify what you
really want to know: the percentage of people installing debian systems
who use popcon (always/sometimes), or the percentage of installed
machines that submit popcon
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:55 PM, markus schnalke mei...@marmaro.de wrote:
[2009-01-15 22:37] Michael Goetze mgoe...@mgoetze.net
before wild speculations ensues, you might want to specify what you
really want to know: the percentage of people installing debian systems
who use popcon
in the past on this list, is
difficult to determine.
And even then it might not help answer your question, for instance if
you have a desktop application the percentage of popcon submitters might
be higher than average among your users, whereas if you have some
software mainly useful on classified
Michael Goetze schrieb:
Hi,
I know it is not possible to _know_ the real percentage of uses which
submit popcon stats of all users. But I want to ask for guesses,
because more oppinions do likely improve the result.
My current guess is between 1/3 and 2/3.
What do you think?
before
El Jue 15 Ene 2009, markus schnalke escribió:
My current guess is between 1/3 and 2/3.
that means that there is between 78055/(1/3)=234165 and 78055/(2/3)=117,082 of
Debian installations. It doesn't look like a big number... I think that we are
more.
Maybe your estimation is too high.
In article 20090115210004.gv21...@serveme.schnalke.local you wrote:
My current guess is between 1/3 and 2/3.
Machines or Users?
According to Linuxcounter there are estimated 29,000,000 users and debian has
18.36% which equals in 5m debian users. Popcon lists 78k submissions,
which is less than
markus schnalke mei...@marmaro.de writes:
I know it is not possible to _know_ the real percentage of uses which
submit popcon stats of all users. But I want to ask for guesses, because
more oppinions do likely improve the result.
My current guess is between 1/3 and 2/3.
What do you think?
Le Thursday 15 January 2009 23:25:02 Bernd Eckenfels, vous avez écrit :
In article 20090115210004.gv21...@serveme.schnalke.local you wrote:
My current guess is between 1/3 and 2/3.
Machines or Users?
According to Linuxcounter there are estimated 29,000,000 users and debian
has 18.36% which
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:00:04PM +0100, markus schnalke wrote:
I know it is not possible to _know_ the real percentage of uses which
submit popcon stats of all users. But I want to ask for guesses,
because more oppinions do likely improve the result.
This question of trying to figure
[2009-01-16 05:59] Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:00:04PM +0100, markus schnalke wrote:
I know it is not possible to _know_ the real percentage of uses which
submit popcon stats of all users. But I want to ask for guesses,
because more oppinions do likely
[2009-01-15 23:25] Bernd Eckenfels e...@lina.inka.de
In article 20090115210004.gv21...@serveme.schnalke.local you wrote:
My current guess is between 1/3 and 2/3.
Machines or Users?
Popcon focuses on machines. In the end I want users. But any number
would be good.
According to
Thanks. Unless you setup some experimental method, any argument
should reduce
to handwaving or extension of various particular examples..
Surely, it must be possible to get an estimate of the number of
downloads of important packages and security updates? I know these
downloads also are
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