Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread Ethan Benson
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 12:41:24AM -0500, Adam McKenna wrote: as for including other's in the Mail-Followup-To mutt only does this if those users had used `lists' instead of `subscribe' indicating they WANT to be CCed. There must be a bug in it somewhere, then, because I often see

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread John Galt
On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Craig Sanders wrote: On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 09:53:04PM -0700, John Galt wrote: In fact, the only thing the RFC says to do is to honor Reply-To: headers, which I might note you didn't include in your message. Why should I, when it would be no different

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread Adam McKenna
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 09:07:27PM -0900, Ethan Benson wrote: have been added to Mail-Followup-To by other Mutt users, and I don't use the lists command at all. in that case there would be something funny going on, here is my theory: you post to list, you M-F-To: is set to only the

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread Ethan Benson
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 01:18:40AM -0500, Adam McKenna wrote: if this is the case the solution is fixing broken mailers, many of them are Free software so why have patches to support M-F-To not been made? I'd like to see someone convince that M-F-To fix Pine. But I doubt you'll have an

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread Adam McKenna
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 09:23:23PM -0900, Ethan Benson wrote: On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 01:18:40AM -0500, Adam McKenna wrote: if this is the case the solution is fixing broken mailers, many of them are Free software so why have patches to support M-F-To not been made? I'd like to see

ITP: aterm -- an x terminal emulator

2001-01-04 Thread Chris Gray
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Description:http://aterm.sourceforge.net aterm is based upon rxvt v.2.4.8 with add ons of Alfredo Kojima's NeXT-ish scrollbars. Fast transparency functionality, background lightening/darkening or/and

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread Ben Gertzfield
Ethan == Ethan Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ethan pine is a lost cause anyway. i was thinking of GNUs which Ethan seems to be the other big offender of ignorage of M-F-To. Ethan (i am not sure if it respects Mail-Copies-To: never i just Ethan started adding that.) Gnus

Re: ITP: aterm -- an x terminal emulator

2001-01-04 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 01:27:13AM -0500, Chris Gray wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Description:http://aterm.sourceforge.net Someone please close this bug once it gets a number from the BTS. Package: aterm Priority: optional Section: x11 Installed-Size: 308 Maintainer: Jordi

Re: our broken man package

2001-01-04 Thread Ethan Benson
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 03:23:03PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote: I'm concerned with some breakage in the man program. Here is an example: [snip examples] This is because man runs via a wrapper that makes it run as user man (and makes root's pager run as user man too for some reason). Related

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread Adi Stav
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 09:07:27PM -0900, Ethan Benson wrote: in that case there would be something funny going on, here is my theory: you post to list, you M-F-To: is set to only the list someone (Mr-Broken) with broken mailer uses reply-to-all which CCs you anyway ignoring M-F-To.

Re: Rambling apt-get ideas

2001-01-04 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 11:11:01PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not look at this from a different perspective? I don't know if it may be useful or not for upgrading machines, but the multicast server would be a very nice thing for mass installations. I still disagree. Multicast is the

Re: need headers for target architecture: asm/unistd.h

2001-01-04 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 11:24:26PM +0100, Andreas Schuldei wrote: I try to build a crosscompiler i386-arm (but also other archs). At one point headerfiles for the target architecture are needed. Where could I find headerfiles for other archs? Are there development packages for this purpose?

Re: need headers for target architecture: asm/unistd.h

2001-01-04 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 12:39:58PM +0100, Andreas Schuldei wrote: * Andreas Schuldei ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [001229 23:24]: I try to build a crosscompiler i386-arm (but also other archs). At one point headerfiles for the target architecture are needed. Where could I find headerfiles for

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 11:11:50PM -0700, John Galt wrote: On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Craig Sanders wrote: Mail-Followup-To is the correct header to use. Mail-Followup-To isn't even a registered header! The closest thing to a registry that RFC822 implies is in the hands of SRI International is

Re: our broken man package

2001-01-04 Thread Joey Hess
Ethan Benson wrote: the problem with this is you end up with the catman files owned by whatever user reads whatever man page. personally as a sysadmin i don't want users gaining write permission to files in any more places under /var then there already is (ahem texmf). i am not certain if

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 11:15:23PM +0100, Sven Burgener wrote: On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 05:23:55PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: the new 'testing' distribution (sid) should be even better - nearly all the benefits of 'unstable' but tested to at least install properly without error. Wrong:

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 09:23:23PM -0900, Ethan Benson wrote: btw is it Mail-Copies-To: never or Mail-Copies-To: nobody ? i have seen both which is correct? (assuming any MUA actually pays any attention to this header anyway) 'nobody' is correct. 'never' is deprecated but still observed by

Re: our broken man package

2001-01-04 Thread Ethan Benson
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 11:53:37PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote: Ethan Benson wrote: the problem with this is you end up with the catman files owned by whatever user reads whatever man page. personally as a sysadmin i don't want users gaining write permission to files in any more places under

Re: DEBIAN IS LOOSING PACKAGES AND NOBODY CARES!!!

2001-01-04 Thread Brendan O'Dea
On Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 01:09:07PM +, Oliver Elphick wrote: Peter Palfrader wrote: There is a further weird package disappearance in unstable: all mgetty packages (execept mgetty-doc) are gone! [...] Hey, these are important packages.

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Ethan == Ethan Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ethan pine is a lost cause anyway. i was thinking of GNUs which Ethan seems to be the other big offender of ignorage of M-F-To. (i Ethan am not sure if it respects Mail-Copies-To: never i just Ethan started adding that.) That just

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread John Galt
On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Craig Sanders wrote: On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 11:11:50PM -0700, John Galt wrote: On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Craig Sanders wrote: Mail-Followup-To is the correct header to use. Mail-Followup-To isn't even a registered header! The closest thing to a registry that RFC822

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread Ethan Benson
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 02:48:46AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: That just demonstrates you have no idea what you are talking about. oh please. someone already pointed out to me that older versions of Gnus ignored M-F-To but the current one does not. go fuck off. -- Ethan Benson

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread Peter Makholm
John Galt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PLEASE DON'T CC ME. I'M ON THE LIST FYI 28 (aka RFC 1855) is the standard. Strictly speaking it's is only a standard if it is on the Standard Track and RFC1855 isn't. It is only an informational RFC. PLEASE DON'T CC ME. I'M ON THE LIST

Re: Anybody seen Loic Prylli lately?

2001-01-04 Thread Christian Kurz
On 01-01-04 Chuan-kai Lin wrote: Does anyone know where Loic has been lately (i.e., for the past two years or so)? AFAIK his last package upload was in November 1998, and the mail I sent him about whether he needs help with mailx has generated no reply. Since mailx is important, if the

Re: Problem with start-stop-daemon and pidfile

2001-01-04 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 02:10:19AM +0100, Goswin Brederlow wrote: touch /var/run/debian-mirror.pid chown mirror.nogroup /var/run/debian-mirror.pid touch /var/log/debian-mirror.log chown mirror.nogroup /var/log/debian-mirror.log Please don't do this. nogroup should not be the group of any

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Jan 01, 2001 at 11:06:18PM -0800, Erik Hollensbe wrote: apt-get and it's kin need more simple getopt-style flags that allow overriding of certain things, mainly conflicts. Also, an option to actually view what's being upgraded before you download 250 packages that are only going to

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Ethan == Ethan Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ethan On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 02:48:46AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: That just demonstrates you have no idea what you are talking about. Ethan oh please. someone already pointed out to me that older Ethan versions of Gnus ignored M-F-To

Unclean licences

2001-01-04 Thread Pawel Wiecek
Hello One of the programs I'd like to package has somewhat unclean licence. The readme file says only: COPYRIGHT: This program is FREEWARE! which I don't suppose is enough for us. The webpage is a bit more descriptive and says: These programs are freeware, which means that they may be

Re: [Fwd: Bug#63511 acknowledged by developer(Bug#63511: fixed in glibc 2.2-7)]

2001-01-04 Thread Eray Ozkural \(exa\)
Russell Coker wrote: I'm sure that Ben will welcome your contributions towards maintaining the libc6 package. All you have to do is read the list of bugs, solve some, and send in patches. I'm not trying to bash Ben. He did a wonderful work in resolving many bugs and generally keeping

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread Ethan Benson
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 03:34:26AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: You prove my point. Resorting to invective is the last refuge of the incompetent. This is your second demonstration of incompetence in a public forum in 24 hours; and I suspect your drop in the estimation of the

ITP: crack

2001-01-04 Thread Pawel Wiecek
Hello. I'd like to package CRACK, the well know password security checker. It has a nice licence, derived from Artistic and is no doubt a useful tool for an administrator. Pawel -- (___) | Pawel Wiecek +48603240006 http://www.coven.vmh.net/ | o o | [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: our broken man package

2001-01-04 Thread Peter Makholm
Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On the other hand, we might want to copy the OpenBSD version instead of maintaining our own man. But I leave that to whoever maintains the packages. We have alternatives on almost everything but dpkg and man. If someone thinks it's worth the effort to

Need server

2001-01-04 Thread Michael Meskes
Is there any apt-able server out there that is accessible with a better bandwidth than ftp.debian.org (currently 468 bytes/sec) but still is up-to-date? ftp.debian.org has been very flaky for me for weeks. And neither ftp.de.debian.org nor source.rfc822.org are up-to-date. I guess they have the

Re: Unclean licences

2001-01-04 Thread Peter Makholm
Pawel Wiecek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: These programs are freeware, which means that they may be distributed freely. Nope, we should explicitly have the rights to distribute and modify the program.

What happened to libnss1-compat?

2001-01-04 Thread Michael Meskes
I have a commercial binary that needs this library. Yes, I can find it in potato, but not in unstable. Is there a new package providing libnss1-compat? Michael -- Michael Meskes Michael@Fam-Meskes.De Go SF 49ers! Go Rhein Fire! Use Debian GNU/Linux! Use PostgreSQL!

Re: [Fwd: Bug#63511 acknowledged by developer(Bug#63511: fixed in glibc 2.2-7)]

2001-01-04 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 10:20:11AM -0500, Ben Collins wrote: I've just reported what I had thought, some many many months ago, to be a problem. Of course, the maintainer has not done anything about this report for 7 months, and then he closes it like that. Not good. Oh, and just to

ITP: lovecalc

2001-01-04 Thread Pawel Wiecek
Hello I'd like to package lovecalc (http://www.lovecalculator.com/). Because of kinda unclean licence I'm not quite sure if it'll go into main or non-free (this depends on whether I convince the author to write a more precise one, I guess). Pawel -- (___) | Pawel Wiecek

Re: [Fwd: Bug#63511 acknowledged by developer(Bug#63511: fixed in glibc 2.2-7)]

2001-01-04 Thread Russell Coker
On Thursday 04 January 2001 20:50, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote: Russell Coker wrote: I'm sure that Ben will welcome your contributions towards maintaining the libc6 package. All you have to do is read the list of bugs, solve some, and send in patches. I'm not trying to bash Ben. He did a

Re: Bug#81180: ITP: aterm -- an x terminal emulator

2001-01-04 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
Chris Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Description:http://aterm.sourceforge.net [4 ysabell:~] grep-available -s Package,Maintainer -P aterm Package: aterm-ml Maintainer: Jordi Mallach [EMAIL PROTECTED] Package: aterm Maintainer: Jordi Mallach [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please close bug#81180

ITP: yardradius

2001-01-04 Thread Francesco Lovergine
I gonna package yardradius, see http://yardradius.sourceforge.net. I'm the upstream author. $Id: README,v 1.4 2001/01/02 09:41:19 kiavik Exp $ Yet Another Radius Daemon (YARD RADIUS) README File This program is a RADIUS RFC compliant daemon which is

Re: libapache-asp-perl - perl Apache::ASP - Active Server Pages for Apache with mod_perl.

2001-01-04 Thread Piotr Roszatycki
On 22 Dec 2000, Stephen Zander wrote: Piotr ITO: libapache-asp-perl Piotr ITO: libapache-filter-perl Piotr ITO: libapache-ssi-perl Piotr ITO: libcgi-pm-perl Piotr ITO: libdbd-csv-perl Piotr ITO: libhtml-clean-perl Piotr ITO: libhtml-simpleparse-perl Piotr

Re: [Fwd: Bug#63511 acknowledged by developer(Bug#63511: fixed in glibc 2.2-7)]

2001-01-04 Thread Eray Ozkural \(exa\)
Matt Zimmerman wrote: Oh, and just to chime in on this little bit, I did not start maintaining glibc until Aug 31, 2000 (my first changelog entry). So no, I have not been sitting on this for 7 months. Get your facts straight. And just to chime in, I appreciate the huge effort and many

Re: [Fwd: Bug#63511 acknowledged by developer(Bug#63511: fixed in glibc 2.2-7)]

2001-01-04 Thread Eray Ozkural \(exa\)
Russell Coker wrote: This is already being done for some packages. Check the maintainer address on the gcc package for an example. The thing that determines this is whether there are multiple people who are skillful and willing to work. If you want to be the second developer for libc6

PGP/GPG transition + db.debian.org

2001-01-04 Thread Pawel Wiecek
How long does it take usually for a (GPG) key sent to keyring.debian.org to show up in official keyring (and maintainers database)? I'm waiting for my new GPG key to show up for quite a few weeks and it seems a bit excessive to me :^) BTW -- our web interface to developers database

ITP: Rhythm Composer TK-707 (And suggestions for sound in debian)

2001-01-04 Thread Eduardo Marcel Macan
Yes, I've been in a packaging mood lately :) I'd like to have Tk707 packaged. Tk707 is a software clone of the Roland TR-707 rhythm composer, a drum machine. It is written in C and Tk and it uses the alsa sequencer. I am using it together with the latest alsa modules and lib (compiled from

Re: dpkg-statoverride vs. suidmanager

2001-01-04 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Joey Hess wrote: Wichert Akkerman wrote: This still leaves us with two problems: 1. there is no 100% correct way to decide if something is an override or not They're flagged local or so arn't they? Either `local' or 'user' in my suid.conf, but it could be anything except

Re: PGP/GPG transition + db.debian.org

2001-01-04 Thread Peter Palfrader
Hi Pawel! On Thu, 04 Jan 2001, Pawel Wiecek wrote: How long does it take usually for a (GPG) key sent to keyring.debian.org to show up in official keyring (and maintainers database)? I'm waiting for my new GPG key to show up for quite a few weeks and it seems a bit excessive to me :^) New

Re: Need server

2001-01-04 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 11:01:43AM +0100, Michael Meskes wrote: Is there any apt-able server out there that is accessible with a better bandwidth than ftp.debian.org (currently 468 bytes/sec) but still is up-to-date? There are almost two hundred public Debian mirrors, use them.

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread Mark Brown
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 08:44:49PM -0500, Adam McKenna wrote: On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 08:41:06PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: If I'm already replying to a list, I'm not going to waste bandwidth by mailing you personally as well. So what you're saying is that you're purposely ignoring

Re: maybe ITP rsync mirror script for pools

2001-01-04 Thread Ingo Saitz
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 06:14:05PM -0500, Adam McKenna wrote: On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 11:57:07PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: Please don't encourage private mirrors! Debian itself encourages private mirrors. Personally, I'd rather just download a new ISO every 3 months or so as new versions

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread Erik Hollensbe
THANK YOU. Finally, an answer that I can use. I will look into contributing towards this package. -- Erik Hollensbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmer, Powells Internet Division I respect a man who lets me know where he stands, even if he is wrong. - Malcolm X On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Matt Zimmerman

quota package and wishlist #67556

2001-01-04 Thread Illo de' Illis
The severity of bug #67556 (package quota) should be changed from wishlist to important since it fixes a problem which makes the package unusable on big endian architectures (getopt() returns int(-1) and not char(-1)). Or at least it should be advisable to separate the getopt() bug from the rest

Re: What happened to libnss1-compat?

2001-01-04 Thread Ben Collins
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 11:03:15AM +0100, Michael Meskes wrote: I have a commercial binary that needs this library. Yes, I can find it in potato, but not in unstable. Is there a new package providing libnss1-compat? libnss1-compat would not compile cleanly with the latest glibc. So if you need

Re: Need server

2001-01-04 Thread Michael Meskes
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 01:48:34PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: There are almost two hundred public Debian mirrors, use them. Sure. But I was hoping someone would know a machine that a) is up-to-date (the three machines outside the US I tried so far are not) and b) is accessible pretty well (which

Re: ITP: crack

2001-01-04 Thread Andreas Voegele
Pawel Wiecek writes: I'd like to package CRACK, the well know password security checker. It has a nice licence, derived from Artistic and is no doubt a useful tool for an administrator. Have you looked at the package john? AFAIK john can do anything crack can do.

Re: Need server

2001-01-04 Thread Bart Schuller
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 02:56:41PM +0100, Michael Meskes wrote: On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 01:48:34PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: There are almost two hundred public Debian mirrors, use them. Sure. But I was hoping someone would know a machine that a) is up-to-date (the three machines outside

Re: ITP: crack

2001-01-04 Thread Mark Brown
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 03:04:07PM +0100, Andreas Voegele wrote: Pawel Wiecek writes: I'd like to package CRACK, the well know password security checker. It has a nice licence, derived from Artistic and is no doubt a useful tool for an administrator. Have you looked at the package john?

Re: PGP/GPG transition + db.debian.org

2001-01-04 Thread Pawel Wiecek
On Jan 4, 1:11pm, Peter Palfrader wrote: New keys sent to keyring.debian.org via gpg --send will take approximatly Gosh... forever. New keys have to be added my hand by the keyring maintainer and Emailed him as well... this might long (up 2 12 months?) (see a thread here on -devel perhaps

Re: Rambling apt-get ideas

2001-01-04 Thread Vince Mulhollon
With the raging flame war going on about MUAs, I'm embarassed to mail this with lotus notes, but, hey, its all I have at work. Back on topic, I would have thought that package distribution was a one time shot. Caches are for people who would otherwise download the slashdot.org header graphic

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread Jim Lynch
Date:Thu, 04 Jan 2001 11:06:43 +1100 To: Jim Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Erik Hollensbe [EMAIL PROTECTED], debian-devel@lists.debian.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] From:Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long) On Wed, Jan

Something has broken APT on my system...

2001-01-04 Thread Heikki Kantola
For few days (first experienced this on 1.1.) I've been trying to figure out what's wrong with APT as whatever command I try, I get: Reading Package Lists... Error! E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room E: Error occured while processing emusic (NewVersion1) E: Problem with MergeList

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread Jim Lynch
A hobby server? OK; sorry: I saw server and read that as important server. But in truth, you should be -filing- bugs against things you find wrong, for the following reason: not all developers read debian-devel, so your concerns, as important as they may be, may or may not reach the responsible

Re: Need server

2001-01-04 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 02:56:41PM +0100, Michael Meskes wrote: There are almost two hundred public Debian mirrors, use them. Sure. But I was hoping someone would know a machine that a) is up-to-date (the three machines outside the US I tried so far are not) and b) is accessible pretty well

Re: ITP: Rhythm Composer TK-707 (And suggestions for sound in debian)

2001-01-04 Thread Enrique Robledo Arnuncio
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 10:04:55AM -0200, Eduardo Marcel Macan wrote: alsa + timidity makes it possible do create really good sounding music without having an expensive sound card. Jazz++ can also use alsa and timidity. If we had alsa, timidity and jazz++ into debian enabled to work together

Re: Something has broken APT on my system...

2001-01-04 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 02:08:39AM +0200, Heikki Kantola wrote: For few days (first experienced this on 1.1.) I've been trying to figure out what's wrong with APT as whatever command I try, I get: Reading Package Lists... Error! E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room E: Error occured while

Re: Bug#81180: ITP: aterm -- an x terminal emulator

2001-01-04 Thread Chris Gray
Marcelo E Magallon writes: Chris Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Description:http://aterm.sourceforge.net mem [4 ysabell:~] grep-available -s Package,Maintainer -P aterm mem Package: aterm-ml mem Maintainer: Jordi Mallach [EMAIL PROTECTED] mem Package: aterm mem

ITP: libxml-simple-perl

2001-01-04 Thread Gordon Matzigkeit
XML::Simple is a Perl module that facilitates reading and writing Perl data structures to XML. It is especially useful for configuration files. It's licensed under the same terms as Perl. -- Gordon Matzigkeit [EMAIL PROTECTED] //\ I'm a FIG (http://fig.org/) Committed to diversity and

Re: Rambling apt-get ideas

2001-01-04 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 08:37:26AM -0600, Vince Mulhollon wrote: Back on topic, I would have thought that package distribution was a one time shot. Caches are for people who would otherwise download the slashdot.org header graphic fifty times a day. Whereas each individual debian machine

Re: Important Note On Source-Only Uploads

2001-01-04 Thread Santiago Vila
Anthony Towns wrote: Basically: don't do them. Cool! I will tag all pine bugs as wontfix...

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread Mark Brown
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 07:27:57AM -0800, Jim Lynch wrote: But in truth, you should be -filing- bugs against things you find wrong, for the following reason: not all developers read debian-devel, so your concerns, as important as they may be, may or may not reach the responsible parties, and

Re: PGP/GPG transition + db.debian.org

2001-01-04 Thread Peter Palfrader
Hi Pawel! On Thu, 04 Jan 2001, Pawel Wiecek wrote: On Jan 4, 1:11pm, Peter Palfrader wrote: (see a thread here on -devel perhaps a month or two ago). I can't find it in the archive... http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-0010/msg00683.html Fups.

Re: ITP: libxml-simple-perl

2001-01-04 Thread Peter Palfrader
Hi Gordon! On Thu, 04 Jan 2001, Gordon Matzigkeit wrote: XML::Simple is a Perl module that facilitates reading and writing Perl data structures to XML. It is especially useful for configuration files. It's licensed under the same terms as Perl. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -S XML/Simple

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread Steve Greenland
On 03-Jan-01, 22:53 (CST), John Galt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Branden Robinson wrote: I didn't say there was. Does Mail-Copies-To: begin with an X? RFC 822 this time: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc822.html and Mail-Copies-To: fails to rear it's ugly head, so

Re: our broken man package

2001-01-04 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 11:00:19AM +0100, Peter Makholm wrote: Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On the other hand, we might want to copy the OpenBSD version instead of maintaining our own man. But I leave that to whoever maintains the packages. We have alternatives on almost

Re: ITP: Rhythm Composer TK-707 (And suggestions for sound in debian)

2001-01-04 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 10:04:55AM -0200, Eduardo Marcel Macan wrote: I'd like to have Tk707 packaged. Tk707 is a software clone of the Roland TR-707 rhythm composer, a drum machine. It is written in C and Tk and it uses the alsa sequencer. I am using it together with the latest alsa modules

Re: ITP: Rhythm Composer TK-707 (And suggestions for sound in debian)

2001-01-04 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 04:34:25PM +0100, Enrique Robledo Arnuncio wrote: On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 10:04:55AM -0200, Eduardo Marcel Macan wrote: Well, it was me, and I did package it, but I sent an ITP-delay message some time ago, when a developer from the WxWindows team asked me not to put

Re: maybe ITP rsync mirror script for pools

2001-01-04 Thread Goswin Brederlow
== Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Jan 02, Goswin Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So would there be intrest in a deb of the script coming with a debconf interface for configuration, cronjob or ip-up support and whatever else is needed to keep an uptodate

Re: Something has broken APT on my system...

2001-01-04 Thread Heikki Kantola
According to Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Have you tried removing the files under /var/state/apt/lists? Nope. These are what is being read during the Reading Package Lists... phase. But this information revealed the reason for the behaviour I reported: the problem spot was

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread David Greene
On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Branden Robinson wrote: The problem is L4M3RZ using that broken piece of non-free shit PINE, which doesn't appear to respect *any* conventions of netiquette. Is there a free mailer to replace that broken piece of non-free shit PINE that supports IMAP?

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread Tal Danzig
On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:59:47 -0800, Joey Hess wrote: Please bear in mind that many of us have been running unstable since before Debian was released (at all), and fondly remember many fun little incidents like ld.so completly breaking. Tends to put minor breakage in perspective.

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 20010104T100704-0600, Steve Greenland wrote: On 03-Jan-01, 22:53 (CST), John Galt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The difference between pine and mutt is that you KNOW the overflows in pinemutt allegedly shares code with pine... Extremely unlikely, as it originated from elm. Pine also

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: Pine also originated from elm, so theoretically it's possible (although I think both are complete rewrites). mutt is a complete rewrite and shouldn't share core with elm. Wichert. --

ITP: Bakery

2001-01-04 Thread Mariusz Przygodzki
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist I intend to package Bakery. Package: bakery License: GPL URL: http://bakery.sourceforge.net/ Bakery is a C++ Framework for creating GNOME applications using Gnome-- (gnomemm) and Gtk-- (gtkmm). I also maintain gtkmm and gnomemm packages. -- Mariusz

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 20010103T212649-0600, Adam Heath wrote: Perl is a required package, there is no need to list the dependency. That it is required is not relevant. That it is a virtual essential package is. -- %%% Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://www.iki.fi/gaia/ %%%

Re: Need server

2001-01-04 Thread Heiko Ordelt
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 11:01:43AM +0100, Michael Meskes wrote: Hi! Is there any apt-able server out there that is accessible with a better bandwidth than ftp.debian.org (currently 468 bytes/sec) but still is up-to-date? ftp.freenet.de seems to be very actually and it's fast too. Give it a

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 11:45:50AM -0500, David Greene wrote: On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Branden Robinson wrote: The problem is L4M3RZ using that broken piece of non-free shit PINE, which doesn't appear to respect *any* conventions of netiquette. Is there a free mailer to replace that broken

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread Daniel Burrows
(Not Cced :) ) On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 02:15:42PM -0500, D-Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: What if I set my Reply-To header to be the address I was sending To? How would you reply to me? ;-) To make a totally pointless observation: mutt lets you override Reply-To when you use the

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread Philip Brown
[ Craig Sanders writes ] On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 11:26:25AM -0800, Philip Brown wrote: And in the case of the debian mailing lists, you should reply to the list. bullshit. some replies should go to the list, and some replies should be private. it's up to the person writing the reply to

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-04 Thread John Galt
On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Steve Greenland wrote: SGOn 03-Jan-01, 22:53 (CST), John Galt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SG On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Branden Robinson wrote: SG SG I didn't say there was. Does Mail-Copies-To: begin with an X? SG SG RFC 822 this time: SG SG http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc822.html

package pool and big Packages.gz file

2001-01-04 Thread zhaoway
hi, [i'm not sure if this has been resolved, lart me if you like.] my proposal to resolve big Packages.gz is through package pool system. add 36 or so new debian package, namely, [a-zA-Z0-1]-packages-gz_date_all.deb contents of each is quite obvious. ;-) and a virtual unstable-packages-gz

Re: our broken man package

2001-01-04 Thread Colin Watson
Ethan Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 11:53:37PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote: I'll bet (have not verified) that you can already trick it into writing bogus file by sticking trojan pages elsewhere in your manpath. i just tried it, did not end up with a cached file. [EMAIL

mailing-list mgmt (was: Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long))

2001-01-04 Thread Thomas 'Mike' Michlmayr
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 10:43:05 -0800, Philip Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] But the primary point of a mailing list is for discussion ON THE LIST. Do you want to disagree with that? partially. there are enough announce-only and moderated MLs. So headers should be optimized for group

Re: Need server

2001-01-04 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 04, Michael Meskes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ftp.debian.org has been very flaky for me for weeks. And neither ftp.de.debian.org nor source.rfc822.org are up-to-date. I guess they have the very same problem accessing ftp.debian.org during their mirror process. {ftp,http}.it.debian.org is

Re: package pool and big Packages.gz file

2001-01-04 Thread zhaoway
[read my previous semi-proposal] this has some more benefits, 1) package maintainer could upload (to pool) in whatever frequency they like. 2) release is seperated from package pool which is a storage system. and release is a qa system. 3) release could be managed through BTS on specific

Re: package pool and big Packages.gz file

2001-01-04 Thread zhaoway
On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 03:17:30AM +0800, zhaoway wrote: [read my previous semi-proposal] this has some more benefits, 1) package maintainer could upload (to pool) in whatever frequency they like. in an ideal world, developer should upload to ''xxx-auto-builder'' ;-) 9i'm turning out to

mutt's history (was: Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long))

2001-01-04 Thread Thomas 'Mike' Michlmayr
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 11:49:45 -0700, John Galt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Let's see: Pine Is Nearly (no-longer lately...) Elm, you say that mutt actually derives from elm, yet they don't share code. Um, yeah, sure, whatever. BTW from the LG article about mutt... AFAICT mutt does not

Re: ITP: Rhythm Composer TK-707 (And suggestions for sound in debian)

2001-01-04 Thread Eduardo Marcel Macan
Oooops, sorry, I forgot telling it in my ITP. It is covered by the GPL and its page is at: http://www.vislab.usyd.edu.au/staff/chris/tk707/ On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 11:19:20AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 10:04:55AM -0200, Eduardo Marcel Macan

Re: mailing-list mgmt (was: Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long))

2001-01-04 Thread Philip Brown
[ Thomas 'Mike' Michlmayr writes ] On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 10:43:05 -0800, Philip Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So headers should be optimized for group discussion. Replying to individuals is a secondary function. not at all. replying to individuals is an essentail function that is no

Re: console-tools vs kbd, fix listed in bug report?!

2001-01-04 Thread Sam Vilain
As pointed out to me, bug #71768 has a workaround to my problem listed in it. However, I find it quite appalling that a fix involving a one character change to a source file, where the fix has been listed in the bug report has not been pushed through, given its age. The console-tools package has

Re: our broken man package

2001-01-04 Thread Joey Hess
Lars Wirzenius wrote: They always re-format a manual page? This might be reasonable, actually. Groff is pretty fast, and most manual pages are short, so it shouldn't take too long even on older hardware. I think it would take a while on my 386 for things like the zshall man page. (Several

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