Re: etc-overrides-non-etc configuration file model [Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian]

2012-05-11 Thread Gergely Nagy
Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes: On Thu, 10 May 2012, Gergely Nagy wrote: FWIW, /etc/default/* and /etc/$package/conf.d/* and similar already do something *very* close to what etc-overrides-non-etc does. To the point that changing a file under /etc/default, or adding a snippet to

Re: mass bug filing: debcheckout fails

2012-05-11 Thread jaalto
On 2012-04-24 18:22, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: | | I noticed you started to file bugs for non-working debcheckouts. Was | this discussed anywhere as suggested by the developer's reference[1]? Hi Ansgar, There are only handful of packages that mistakenly have their Vcs-* headers set up incorrectly

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Uoti Urpala Hi, Wrong: as mentioned in this thread before, one of the advantages of the etc-overrides-lib model is the option of having a file in /etc that first includes the one in /lib, then overrides just one particular value. This allows handling more updates without needing manual

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Vincent Bernat
OoO Pendant le journal télévisé du jeudi 10 mai 2012, vers 20:29, Jean-Christophe Dubacq jean-christophe.dub...@ens-lyon.org disait : I do not know about trivially merging changes in the etc-overrides-lib model, but in the current model, I am presented with the dpkg prompt about

Re: Directory /boot/console-setup

2012-05-11 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Steve Langasek My complaint is that this is excessively ugly. For persistent variable data that needs to be available during early boot, even when this is binary data that the user won't edit, /etc is the normal place to keep it - it's the creation of a a .cache subdirectory that I

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 11, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote: Wrong: since you have to copy the whole file to override it, and files in /lib have no conffiles handling, after an upgrade you will not know what was changed by you and what was changed upstream. I think everyone here agrees with that.

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Philip Hands
On Thu, 10 May 2012 21:30:56 +0300, Uoti Urpala uoti.urp...@pp1.inet.fi wrote: Marco d'Itri wrote: On May 10, Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no wrote: Agree. Copying a large set of default policies into /etc just because they *can* be overridden is not user friendly. And it does not make the

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/11/2012 12:53 AM, Uoti Urpala wrote: The reason why most old applications do not follow that approach (at least not yet) is pretty obvious: their authors never considered it. etc-overrides-lib semantics have only become a seriously considered alternative fairly recently. No. The

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/11/2012 04:04 AM, David Weinehall wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 02:44:45AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 05/10/2012 04:52 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote: No, really - please *do* do this. The fact that a lot of the software coming out of RedHat development seems to be designed

Re: etc-overrides-non-etc configuration file model [Re: RFC: OpenRC asInit System for Debian]

2012-05-11 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/11/2012 04:21 AM, Uoti Urpala wrote: Advantages I mentioned earlier would still be there: It's easier to see what is local non-default configuration. Original default file is always available in a known location (and very easy to revert to, temporarily for testing or permanently). As I

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Gergely Nagy
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes: On 05/11/2012 12:53 AM, Uoti Urpala wrote: The reason why most old applications do not follow that approach (at least not yet) is pretty obvious: their authors never considered it. etc-overrides-lib semantics have only become a seriously considered

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Gergely Nagy
Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no writes: ]] Uoti Urpala Hi, Wrong: as mentioned in this thread before, one of the advantages of the etc-overrides-lib model is the option of having a file in /etc that first includes the one in /lib, then overrides just one particular value. This allows

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Gergely Nagy
Philip Hands p...@hands.com writes: On Thu, 10 May 2012 21:30:56 +0300, Uoti Urpala uoti.urp...@pp1.inet.fi wrote: Marco d'Itri wrote: On May 10, Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no wrote: Agree. Copying a large set of default policies into /etc just because they *can* be overridden is not

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Gergely Nagy Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no writes: ]] Uoti Urpala Hi, Wrong: as mentioned in this thread before, one of the advantages of the etc-overrides-lib model is the option of having a file in /etc that first includes the one in /lib, then overrides just one

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Gergely Nagy
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes: From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Configuration_file In computing, configuration files, or config files configure the initial settings for some computer programs. They are used for user applications, server processes and operating system settings.

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 11, Gergely Nagy alger...@balabit.hu wrote: And in etc-overrides-lib, config files still remain in /etc. Its just the defaults that live elsewhere. That the defaults are files, and are under /lib, is an implementation detail, similarly how gconf defaults live under

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 10:52:25AM +0200, Gergely Nagy wrote: Neither the FHS, nor the policy says anything about etc-overrides-lib as far as I can see. Neither pro or con. Do feel free to point me to the relevant section, would I be mistaken. To be honest, I still don’t really understand what

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:25:10AM +0200, Gergely Nagy wrote: Are you happy with dropping a snippet into a conf.d/ directory, and your software breaking on an upgrade without notice? Because that can happen even now, with software that uses only /etc, and /etc alone for their configuration,

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Gergely Nagy
Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no writes: ]] Gergely Nagy Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no writes: ]] Uoti Urpala Hi, Wrong: as mentioned in this thread before, one of the advantages of the etc-overrides-lib model is the option of having a file in /etc that first includes the one in

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Jean-Christophe Dubacq
On 11/05/2012 08:47, Vincent Bernat wrote: OoO Pendant le journal télévisé du jeudi 10 mai 2012, vers 20:29, Jean-Christophe Dubacq jean-christophe.dub...@ens-lyon.org disait : I do not know about trivially merging changes in the etc-overrides-lib model, but in the current model, I am

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 12:07:55PM +0200, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote: BTW, for standard workstations, there is less and less need to change things in /etc. My current quota is 1346 files in /etc for about 30 of them with local changes. This is quite a bad signal/noise ratio. Well, a standard

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Gergely Nagy
Stephan Seitz stse+deb...@fsing.rootsland.net writes: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:25:10AM +0200, Gergely Nagy wrote: Are you happy with dropping a snippet into a conf.d/ directory, and your software breaking on an upgrade without notice? Because that can happen even now, with software that uses

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Steve McIntyre
Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote: If dpkg kept a copy of the original configuration file (to be retrieved at all times), it would be easier to spot local changes. I use etckeeper to do that, but it's a bit tiresome to isolate all local changes (I have to save the diffs somewhere) (and a lost hope if

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Gergely Nagy
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes: On May 11, Gergely Nagy alger...@balabit.hu wrote: And in etc-overrides-lib, config files still remain in /etc. Its just the defaults that live elsewhere. That the defaults are files, and are under /lib, is an implementation detail, similarly how gconf

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Gergely Nagy
Stephan Seitz stse+deb...@fsing.rootsland.net writes: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 10:52:25AM +0200, Gergely Nagy wrote: Neither the FHS, nor the policy says anything about etc-overrides-lib as far as I can see. Neither pro or con. Do feel free to point me to the relevant section, would I be

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/11/2012 04:52 PM, Gergely Nagy wrote: Neither the FHS, nor the policy says anything about etc-overrides-lib as far as I can see. Neither pro or con. Do feel free to point me to the relevant section, would I be mistaken. Section 10.7.2 of dpm: Any configuration files created or used

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/11/2012 05:25 PM, Gergely Nagy wrote: And in etc-overrides-lib, config files still remain in /etc. No. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/11/2012 06:39 PM, Gergely Nagy wrote: In other words, it does *exactly* the same thing systemd is criticised for. Which doesn't mean that it's a good practice. Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/11/2012 06:39 PM, Gergely Nagy wrote: Long story short, I still don't see what the fuss is about. The fuss is about we're being told that there will be silent overwriting of configuration files without being prompted about changes, which potentially, will make it horrible to manage

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Gergely Nagy
Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes: Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote: If dpkg kept a copy of the original configuration file (to be retrieved at all times), it would be easier to spot local changes. I use etckeeper to do that, but it's a bit tiresome to isolate all local changes (I have to save

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Gergely Nagy
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes: On 05/11/2012 04:52 PM, Gergely Nagy wrote: Neither the FHS, nor the policy says anything about etc-overrides-lib as far as I can see. Neither pro or con. Do feel free to point me to the relevant section, would I be mistaken. Section 10.7.2 of dpm:

Strange bug in Qt program after build with gcc 4.7

2012-05-11 Thread Boris Pek
Hi all, There is no any reply in debian-mentors mailing list, so I am forwarding my message here. Please Cc me in replies, I am not subscribed to debian-devel. begin original message 2012-05-10 21:08, Boris Pek wrote: Hi everyone, I have strange problem with my package

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Gergely Nagy
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes: On 05/11/2012 06:39 PM, Gergely Nagy wrote: In other words, it does *exactly* the same thing systemd is criticised for. Which doesn't mean that it's a good practice. Tell me what you would gain, if there were no files under /lib/systemd, and

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Uoti Urpala
Philip Hands wrote: The traditional Debian approach to /etc is largely self documenting, to the extent that one can generally walk into a site cold and (having established that they have decent backups) cheerfully do an upgrade on their Debian servers without anything breaking (I do this

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread David Weinehall
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 04:39:22PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: [snip] From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Configuration_file In computing, configuration files, or config files configure the initial settings for some computer programs. They are used for user applications, server processes

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 11, Gergely Nagy alger...@balabit.hu wrote: Long story short, I still don't see what the fuss is about. Apparently the reason is that you do not understand the problem, since you keep getting back to the not relevant issue of software which supports placing configuration directives in

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 11, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote: Long story short, I still don't see what the fuss is about. The fuss is about we're being told that there will be silent overwriting of configuration files without being prompted about changes, which potentially, will make it horrible to

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Thomas Goirand On 05/11/2012 06:39 PM, Gergely Nagy wrote: Long story short, I still don't see what the fuss is about. The fuss is about we're being told that there will be silent overwriting of configuration files without being prompted about changes, which potentially, will make

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 11.05.2012 14:30, schrieb Marco d'Itri: The problem with etc-overrides-lib is that a file must be copied in full from /lib to /etc to be modified, and then future changes to the same file in /lib will be ignored (so maybe the package will break because these changes are required, etc).

Bug#672480: ITP: prooftree -- proof tree visualization for Proof General

2012-05-11 Thread Hendrik Tews
Package: wnpp Owner: Hendrik Tews hend...@askra.de Severity: wishlist * Package name: prooftree Version : 0.9 Upstream Author : Hendrik Tews * URL or Web page : http://askra.de/software/prooftree/ * License : GPL-3 Description : proof tree visualization for Proof

Configuration file handling (was: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian)

2012-05-11 Thread Roger Leigh
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:53:34AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote: If dpkg kept a copy of the original configuration file (to be retrieved at all times), it would be easier to spot local changes. I use etckeeper to do that, but it's a bit tiresome to isolate all

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Gergely Nagy
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes: On 05/11/2012 06:39 PM, Gergely Nagy wrote: Long story short, I still don't see what the fuss is about. The fuss is about we're being told that there will be silent overwriting of configuration files without being prompted about changes, which

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 11.05.2012 14:30, schrieb Marco d'Itri: The problem with etc-overrides-lib is that a file must be copied in full from /lib to /etc to be modified, and then future changes to the same file in /lib will be ignored (so maybe the package will break because these changes are required, etc).

Getting power saving to work by default in wheezy

2012-05-11 Thread Touko Korpela
I think it would be nice if power saving options (SATA,USB,wireless etc.) were turned on by default when running on laptop. Powertop can report which kernel tunables are set (and you can use it to turn individual options on/off). Laptop task installs pm-utils by default. There is also optional

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Gergely Nagy Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no writes: ]] Gergely Nagy In that case, the including file can be changed (by the admin) to be a separate file, that does not include, and get the usual conffile conflict dpkg prompt. How would that work? I have

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread SEEWEB - Marco d'Itri
On May 11, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org wrote: You can either copy the file or use the .include directive (which was already mentioned) and only override the settings you need. Not with udev or kmod. The problem with etc-overrides-lib is that a file must be copied in full from /lib to

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/11/2012 08:30 PM, Marco d'Itri wrote: On May 11, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote: Long story short, I still don't see what the fuss is about. The fuss is about we're being told that there will be silent overwriting of configuration files without being prompted about

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/11/2012 08:33 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 11.05.2012 14:30, schrieb Marco d'Itri: The problem with etc-overrides-lib is that a file must be copied in full from /lib to /etc to be modified, and then future changes to the same file in /lib will be ignored (so maybe the package will

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/11/2012 08:28 PM, David Weinehall wrote: Talking about yourself in pluralis majestatis now? Yes, I get it that you are. Or are you somehow assuming that you can speak for all of Debian? I guess you're aware of the fact that I'm a DD too? By reading other replies, I thought there

Bug#672482: ITP: gedit-projects -- Manage projects in gedit

2012-05-11 Thread B. Clausius
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: B. Clausius ba...@gmx.de * Package name: gedit-projects Version : 1.1 Upstream Author : B. Clausius ba...@gmx.de * URL : https://launchpad.net/gedit-projects * License : GPL-3+ Programming Lang: Python Description

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/11/2012 07:04 PM, Gergely Nagy wrote: Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes: Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote: If dpkg kept a copy of the original configuration file (to be retrieved at all times), it would be easier to spot local changes. I use etckeeper to do that, but it's a

Bug#672484: ITP: gedit-classbrowser3g -- Class Browser for gedit

2012-05-11 Thread B. Clausius
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: B. Clausius ba...@gmx.de * Package name: gedit-classbrowser3g Version : 1.0 Upstream Author : B. Clausius ba...@gmx.de * URL : https://launchpad.net/gedit-classbrowser3g * License : GPL-3+ Programming Lang: Python

Re: Getting power saving to work by default in wheezy

2012-05-11 Thread Michael Biebl
On 11.05.2012 14:59, Touko Korpela wrote: I think it would be nice if power saving options (SATA,USB,wireless etc.) were turned on by default when running on laptop. Powertop can report which kernel tunables are set (and you can use it to turn individual options on/off). Laptop task installs

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Nikolaus Rath
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes: On May 11, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote: Wrong: since you have to copy the whole file to override it, and files in /lib have no conffiles handling, after an upgrade you will not know what was changed by you and what was changed upstream. I

Re: Getting power saving to work by default in wheezy

2012-05-11 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
On Friday 11 May 2012 06:29 PM, Touko Korpela wrote: I think it would be nice if power saving options (SATA,USB,wireless etc.) were turned on by default when running on laptop. Powertop can report which kernel tunables are set (and you can use it to turn individual options on/off). Laptop

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Marvin Renich
* Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org [120511 04:45]: On 05/11/2012 04:04 AM, David Weinehall wrote: From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Configuration_file In computing, configuration files, or config files configure the initial settings for some computer programs. They are used for user

Bug#672499: ITP: rake-compiler -- Rake-based Ruby Extension (C, Java) task generator

2012-05-11 Thread Youhei SASAKI
Package: wnpp Owner: Youhei SASAKI uwab...@gfd-dennou.org Severity: wishlist * Package name: rake-compiler Version : 0.8.1 Upstream Author : Luis Lavena * URL or Web page : http://github.com/luislavena/rake-compiler * License : Expat Description : Rake-based Ruby

Bug#672501: ITP: ruby-albino -- Ruby wrapper for pygments

2012-05-11 Thread Youhei SASAKI
Package: wnpp Owner: Youhei SASAKI uwab...@gfd-dennou.org Severity: wishlist * Package name: ruby-albino Version : 1.3.3 Upstream Author : Chris Wanstrath * URL or Web page : http://github.com/github/albino * License : Expat Description : Ruby wrapper for pygments

Bug#672503: ITP: ruby-classifier -- Ruby module to allow Bayesian and other types of classifications

2012-05-11 Thread Youhei SASAKI
Package: wnpp Owner: Youhei SASAKI uwab...@gfd-dennou.org Severity: wishlist * Package name: ruby-classifier Version : 1.3.3 Upstream Author : Lucas Carlson, David Fayram II, Cameron McBride * URL or Web page : http://classifier.rufy.comp * License : LGPL-2.0+

Re: Configuration file handling

2012-05-11 Thread Russ Allbery
Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net writes: I would much rather we had a more general mechanism of storing the real configuration files (as opposed to just md5s) by dpkg itself, which would enable proper merging of admin changes between old and new conffiles, and perhaps also allow dpkg to

Bug#672505: ITP: ruby-fast-stemmer -- Ruby module of Fast Porter stemmer based on a C version algorithm

2012-05-11 Thread Youhei SASAKI
Package: wnpp Owner: Youhei SASAKI uwab...@gfd-dennou.org Severity: wishlist * Package name: ruby-fast-stemmer Version : 1.0.1 Upstream Author : Roman Shterenzon * URL or Web page : http://github.com/romanbsd/fast-stemmer * License : Expat Description : Ruby module

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Russ Allbery
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes: Section 10.7.2 of dpm: Any configuration files created or used by your package must reside in |/etc|. Configuration file is a term of art that is previously defined in the Policy document. It doesn't mean what you're taking it to mean. There isn't

Bug#672506: ITP: ruby-directory-watcher -- Watch directory/files and Generate events by file change

2012-05-11 Thread Youhei SASAKI
Package: wnpp Owner: Youhei SASAKI uwab...@gfd-dennou.org Severity: wishlist * Package name: ruby-directory-watcher Version : 1.4.1 Upstream Author : Tim Pease * URL or Web page : http://gemcutter.org/gems/directory_watcher * License : Expat Description : Watch

Bug#672507: ITP: ruby-posix-spawn -- Ruby Implementation of posix_spawn(2) for faster process spawning

2012-05-11 Thread Youhei SASAKI
Package: wnpp Owner: Youhei SASAKI uwab...@gfd-dennou.org Severity: wishlist * Package name: ruby-posix-spawn Version : 0.3.6 Upstream Author : Ryan Tomayko, Aman Gupta * URL or Web page : http://github.com/rtomayko/posix-spawn * License : LGPL-2.1+, Expat Description

Bug#672508: ITP: ruby-redcarpet -- Fast, safe and extensible Markdown to (X)HTML parser written in Ruby

2012-05-11 Thread Youhei SASAKI
Package: wnpp Owner: Youhei SASAKI uwab...@gfd-dennou.org Severity: wishlist * Package name: ruby-redcarpet Version : 2.1.1 Upstream Author : Natacha Porte', Vincent Marti * URL or Web page : http://github.com/tanoku/redcarpet * License : Expat Description : Fast,

Bug#672509: ITP: jekyll -- Simple, blog aware, static site generator written in Ruby

2012-05-11 Thread Youhei SASAKI
Package: wnpp Owner: Youhei SASAKI uwab...@gfd-dennou.org Severity: wishlist * Package name: jekyll Version : 0.11.2 Upstream Author : Tom Preston-Werner * URL or Web page : http://github.com/mojombo/jekyll * License : Expat Description : Simple, blog aware, static

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Jean-Christophe Dubacq
On 11/05/2012 15:29, Thomas Goirand wrote: The setting of unix rights 0440 is indeed very amusing. Yes. Maybe the mean to chmod a-w everything, for some applications will not work with so large modes (sudo, for example). The only nice point about this proposal is that it's going to make happy

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/11/2012 11:08 PM, Marvin Renich wrote: For clarity, the etc-overrides-non-etc model that I am talking about is where the file in /etc can override individual values, not where the file in /etc must replace the entirety of the non-etc configuration. This case is much much more

Re: Bug#672507: ITP: ruby-posix-spawn -- Ruby Implementation of posix_spawn(2) for faster process spawning

2012-05-11 Thread Julien Cristau
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 01:12:37 +0900, Youhei SASAKI wrote: Package: wnpp Owner: Youhei SASAKI uwab...@gfd-dennou.org Severity: wishlist * Package name: ruby-posix-spawn Do you really need a whole package for a single syscall wrapper? Cheers, Julien signature.asc Description:

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/12/2012 12:22 AM, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote: I find your attitude assumes users always have the knowledge and the time to investigate everything. This is not the reality. Sincerly, Not at all. Anyone without the knowledge will not be able to restore anything anyway. Anyone with

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Jean-Christophe Dubacq
On 11/05/2012 19:03, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 05/12/2012 12:22 AM, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote: I find your attitude assumes users always have the knowledge and the time to investigate everything. This is not the reality. Sincerly, Not at all. Anyone without the knowledge will not be

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Gergely Nagy
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes: Seriously, can't someone who broke his configuration wget the package, and use mc to get into the .deb and get the original configuration file??? FWIW, I'd love an easier way to keep track of my /etc, where upstream changes and my own are on a separate

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Gergely Nagy
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes: On May 11, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote: Long story short, I still don't see what the fuss is about. The fuss is about we're being told that there will be silent overwriting of configuration files without being prompted about changes, which

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Gergely Nagy
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes: On 05/11/2012 08:33 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 11.05.2012 14:30, schrieb Marco d'Itri: The problem with etc-overrides-lib is that a file must be copied in full from /lib to /etc to be modified, and then future changes to the same file in /lib

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Vincent Bernat
OoO Peu avant le début de l'après-midi du vendredi 11 mai 2012, vers 13:20, Gergely Nagy alger...@balabit.hu disait : In other words, it does *exactly* the same thing systemd is criticised for. Which doesn't mean that it's a good practice. Tell me what you would gain, if there were

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Gergely Nagy
SEEWEB - Marco d'Itri m...@seeweb.it writes: But this is a user error. The point is that with etc-overrides-lib there is no prompt at all when the upstream configuration changes. Bzzt. There's no prompt ever when upstream defaults change. Unless *all* the defaults are laid out in /etc, *AND*

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Gergely Nagy
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes: On 05/11/2012 11:08 PM, Marvin Renich wrote: For clarity, the etc-overrides-non-etc model that I am talking about is where the file in /etc can override individual values, not where the file in /etc must replace the entirety of the non-etc configuration.

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Gergely Nagy
Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no writes: ]] Gergely Nagy Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no writes: ]] Gergely Nagy In that case, the including file can be changed (by the admin) to be a separate file, that does not include, and get the usual conffile conflict dpkg prompt. How would

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:08:32AM -0400, Marvin Renich wrote: The FHS is very specific that /etc is for *Host-specific* system configuration, not upstream defaults or distribution-specific configuration. The clear intent is that this is where files that are intended to be modified by the

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Russ Allbery
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: What *is* an issue is when upstreams decide to ship their defaults in /usr, but require users to duplicate information between /usr templates and /etc config files and ignore the contents of /usr in favor of the contents of /etc. This is also not a

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-11 Thread Marvin Renich
* Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org [120511 16:17]: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:08:32AM -0400, Marvin Renich wrote: The FHS is very specific that /etc is for *Host-specific* system No, this is a total retcon. When the FHS was written, this was definitely NOT a shared understanding of a

Bug#672549: ITP: libballoontip-java -- Balloon Tips for Java

2012-05-11 Thread Stefan Handschuh
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Stefan Handschuh handschuh.ste...@googlemail.com * Package name: libballoontip-java Version : 1.2.1 Upstream Author : Bernhard Pauler bernhard_pau...@dev.java.net, Tim Molderez nfe...@dev.java.net * URL :

Re: Licenses not in /usr/share/common-licenses

2012-05-11 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Matthew Woodcraft wrote: Russ Allbery wrote: I think the core question is: why is base-files special? Yes, it's essential and all, but that doesn't address the case of packages being downloaded separate from Debian, or unpacked by hand, in which case we don't

Re: Configuration file handling (was: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian)

2012-05-11 Thread Guillem Jover
On Fri, 2012-05-11 at 13:41:32 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:53:34AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote: If dpkg kept a copy of the original configuration file (to be retrieved at all times), it would be easier to spot local changes. I use

Re: Licenses not in /usr/share/common-licenses

2012-05-11 Thread Russ Allbery
Michael Gilbert michael.s.gilb...@gmail.com writes: So, I think [0] is the most astute message in that thread. [0] http://lists.debian.org/debian-policy/2000/11/msg00251.html I thought that too when I first read it, but later in the thread are very cogent arguments for why it's wrong and

Re: Licenses not in /usr/share/common-licenses

2012-05-11 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, May 11, 2012 at 10:10:17PM -0400, Michael Gilbert a écrit : Succinctly, the copyright file itself is irrelevant in the source package since the upstream source should have all of that information already, and at least for the GPL you can distribute source packages as is. Thus, the

Re: Licenses not in /usr/share/common-licenses

2012-05-11 Thread Russ Allbery
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes: given that the source and binary packages are considered a single entity -- otherwise we would be violating the GPLs v1 and v2 -- the Debian copyright file is not necessary from a strictly legal point of view. I don't see the logical justification for

Re: Licenses not in /usr/share/common-licenses

2012-05-11 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, May 11, 2012 at 07:52:05PM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit : Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes: given that the source and binary packages are considered a single entity -- otherwise we would be violating the GPLs v1 and v2 -- the Debian copyright file is not necessary from a

Accepted lxpolkit 0.1.0-2 (source i386)

2012-05-11 Thread Daniel Baumann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 07:43:05 +0200 Source: lxpolkit Binary: lxpolkit lxpolkit-dbg Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.1.0-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian LXDE Maintainers lxde-deb...@lists.lxde.org Changed-By:

Accepted conky 1.9.0-2 (source all amd64)

2012-05-11 Thread Vincent Cheng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 19:27:20 -0700 Source: conky Binary: conky conky-std conky-cli Architecture: source all amd64 Version: 1.9.0-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Vincent Cheng vincentc1...@gmail.com Changed-By:

Accepted sitplus 1.0.3-2 (source all amd64)

2012-05-11 Thread Andreas Tille
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 08:03:06 +0200 Source: sitplus Binary: sitplus sitplus-data Architecture: source amd64 all Version: 1.0.3-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Med Packaging Team

Accepted libgtkada 2.24.1-5 (source all amd64)

2012-05-11 Thread Nicolas Boulenguez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 23:49:34 +0200 Source: libgtkada Binary: libgtkada2.24.1-dev libgnomeada2.24.1-dev libgtkglada2.24.1-dev libgtkada-dbg libgnomeada-dbg libgtkglada-dbg libgtkada2.24.1 libgnomeada2.24.1 libgtkglada2.24.1

Accepted smarty-gettext 1.0b1-6 (source all)

2012-05-11 Thread Mike Gabriel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 20:49:21 +0200 Source: smarty-gettext Binary: smarty-gettext Architecture: source all Version: 1.0b1-6 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Mike Gabriel mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de Changed-By: Mike

Accepted db 5.1.29-2 (source all amd64)

2012-05-11 Thread Ondřej Surý
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 10:10:08 +0200 Source: db Binary: db5.1-doc libdb5.1-dev libdb5.1 db5.1-util db5.1-sql-util libdb5.1++ libdb5.1++-dev libdb5.1-tcl libdb5.1-dbg libdb5.1-java-jni libdb5.1-java libdb5.1-java-gcj libdb5.1-java-dev

Accepted libiscsi 1.4.0-1 (source i386)

2012-05-11 Thread Michael Tokarev
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 12:05:48 +0400 Source: libiscsi Binary: libiscsi1 libiscsi-dev libiscsi-bin Architecture: source i386 Version: 1.4.0-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Michael Tokarev m...@tls.msk.ru Changed-By:

Accepted lua-cgi 5.1.4+dfsg-2 (source all)

2012-05-11 Thread Enrico Tassi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Tue, 01 May 2012 11:45:05 +0200 Source: lua-cgi Binary: lua-cgi liblua5.1-cgi0 liblua5.1-cgi-dev Architecture: source all Version: 5.1.4+dfsg-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Enrico Tassi gareuselesi...@debian.org

Accepted lua-copas 1.1.6-5 (source all)

2012-05-11 Thread Enrico Tassi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 20:49:47 +0200 Source: lua-copas Binary: lua-copas liblua5.1-copas0 liblua5.1-copas-dev Architecture: source all Version: 1.1.6-5 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Enrico Tassi gareuselesi...@debian.org

Accepted lua-svn 0.4.0-6 (source all amd64)

2012-05-11 Thread Enrico Tassi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:08:21 +0200 Source: lua-svn Binary: lua-svn lua-svn-dev liblua5.1-svn1 liblua5.1-svn-dev Architecture: source amd64 all Version: 0.4.0-6 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Enrico Tassi

Accepted nvidia-cuda-toolkit 4.2.9-1 (source all amd64 i386)

2012-05-11 Thread Andreas Beckmann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 10:32:07 +0200 Source: nvidia-cuda-toolkit Binary: nvidia-cuda-toolkit nvidia-cuda-doc nvidia-cuda-gdb nvidia-visual-profiler nvidia-cuda-dev nvidia-opencl-dev libcudart4 libcublas4 libcufft4 libcusparse4

Accepted smarty-validate 3.0.3-2 (source all)

2012-05-11 Thread Mike Gabriel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 21:01:53 +0200 Source: smarty-validate Binary: smarty-validate Architecture: source all Version: 3.0.3-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Mike Gabriel mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de Changed-By:

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