debian menu system and capital letters
Hi all, A small annoyance I have with debian's menu system is an inconsistency in the naming of programs on the menus: Apps/Tools ASclock EditRes Oclock ... bbpager docker ... The ordering of the menu is dictated by the menu system rather than my window manager. I would like the menu to be alphabetical, but the existing ordering (alphanumerical I presume) would suffice if the packages all agreed on starting either with a capital or a lower-case letter. Do you think that there should be a menu policy as to the capitalisation (or general presentation) of entries? Where should the responsibility for ordering menus lie, in the menu system, or the program which exhibits a menu (E.g., the window manager)? If anyone could point me at an existing discussion of this topic I would be very grateful. -- Jon Dowland http://jon.dowland.name/
Re: debian menu system and capital letters
On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 02:45:49PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: Hi all, A small annoyance I have with debian's menu system is an inconsistency in the naming of programs on the menus: Apps/Tools ASclock EditRes Oclock ... bbpager docker ... The ordering of the menu is dictated by the menu system rather than my window manager. I would like the menu to be alphabetical, but the existing ordering (alphanumerical I presume) would suffice if the packages all agreed on starting either with a capital or a lower-case letter. You can get the case ignored when ordering by adding the following to /etc/menu-methods/menu.h. sort=tolower($title) Then run update-menus to regenerate them. -- .''`. Jason Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : Registered linux user #271693 `. `'` `-http://www.debian.org/ - The Universal Operating System pgpgZGGaw1dj5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: debian menu system and capital letters
On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 04:10:20PM +0100, Jason Chambers wrote: You can get the case ignored when ordering by adding the following to /etc/menu-methods/menu.h. sort=tolower($title) Then run update-menus to regenerate them. I've had a play around with this, and found that putting a custom menu.h in ~/.menu-methods works for a user. However, I then need to keep up-to-date copies of anything from /etc/menu-methods/ in this directory too, if I want a menu generated. Is it currently impossible to override some, but not all of the /etc/menu-methods folder, on a user-by-user basis? Thanks for your help, -- Jon Dowland http://jon.dowland.name/
Bug#209257: debian menu system and capital letters
Package: menu Severity: normal On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 04:10:20PM +0100, Jason Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 02:45:49PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: Hi all, A small annoyance I have with debian's menu system is an inconsistency in the naming of programs on the menus: Apps/Tools ASclock EditRes Oclock ... bbpager docker ... The ordering of the menu is dictated by the menu system rather than my window manager. I would like the menu to be alphabetical, but the existing ordering (alphanumerical I presume) would suffice if the packages all agreed on starting either with a capital or a lower-case letter. You can get the case ignored when ordering by adding the following to /etc/menu-methods/menu.h. sort=tolower($title) This should be the default. Filing a severity 'normal' bug because case-sensitive sorting here is absolutely terrible UI. [when case has an agreed-upon meaning, as in Unix filenames, there may be some justification, but when it's just haphazard, as in menu files, it should be ignored] There is probably an argument for consistent capitalization on aesthetic grounds, but I'll let someone else make it. Daniel -- / Daniel Burrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---\ |Do you know why the prisoner in the | | tower watches the flight of birds? | | -- Terry Pratchett, _Reaper_Man_ | \ Be like the kid in the movie! Play chess! -- http://www.uschess.org ---/
Re: debian menu system and capital letters
On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 05:57:16PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 04:10:20PM +0100, Jason Chambers wrote: You can get the case ignored when ordering by adding the following to /etc/menu-methods/menu.h. sort=tolower($title) Then run update-menus to regenerate them. I've had a play around with this, and found that putting a custom menu.h in ~/.menu-methods works for a user. However, I then need to keep up-to-date copies of anything from /etc/menu-methods/ in this directory too, if I want a menu generated. Is it currently impossible to override some, but not all of the /etc/menu-methods folder, on a user-by-user basis? No. According to section 5.1 in the menu documentation /etc/menu-methods is ignored if the user has a ~/.menu-methods. -- .''`. Jason Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : Registered linux user #271693 `. `'` `-http://www.debian.org/ - The Universal Operating System pgpZGbMeljhRN.pgp Description: PGP signature
