Re: Public Domain for Germans

2008-11-04 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see anything wrong with authors not being able to give up their moral rights. Why do you think this needs fixing? Some people clearly want to be able to. The OP for example. -- bye, pabs

Re: GNU Free Documentation License v1.3

2008-11-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 03 novembre 2008 à 18:28 +0100, Simon Josefsson a écrit : 2. VERBATIM COPYING You may not use technical measures to obstruct or control the reading or further copying of the copies you make or distribute. I wonder how we should consider the fact they did not remove nor rephrase this

Re: GNU Free Documentation License v1.3

2008-11-04 Thread MJ Ray
Paul Wise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] they are still taking comments toward the draft, so make sure all relevant comments are sent to the FSF. GFDL 1.3 FAQ, GFDL 2.0 draft: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/fdl-1.3-faq.html http://gplv3.fsf.org/fdl-draft-2006-09-22.html stet is still broken and

Re: GNU Free Documentation License v1.3

2008-11-04 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:34 PM, Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder how we should consider the fact they did not remove nor rephrase this obnoxious clause. Back in the FDL discussions, it was commonly accepted that this was a honest mistake and that it was going to be fixed in

Re: Public Domain for Germans

2008-11-04 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [081103 19:50]: Can I as a German use the following Public Domain-declaration-text, if I want the result to be dfsg-free? I, the creator of this work, hereby release it into the public domain. This applies worldwide. In case this is not legally

Re: Public Domain for Germans

2008-11-04 Thread jfr . fg
but I fail to see what a I hereby place this work in the public domain. fails to do. In Germany there is no possibility to waive copyright. You neither can give it to somebody other nor to the public. So this attention is possibly void, and it's unsure, what a random German court would decide.

Re: Public Domain for Germans

2008-11-04 Thread Florian Weimer
* Paul Wise: On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see anything wrong with authors not being able to give up their moral rights. Why do you think this needs fixing? Some people clearly want to be able to. The OP for example. Why wouldn't it be

Re: Public Domain for Germans

2008-11-04 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [081104 21:29]: Word on the street is that you can't effectively disclaim warranty while putting something in the public domain. Well, as we are discussing the German POV, as German you cannot disclaim warrenty effectively at all as far as I do understand it.

Re: Public Domain for Germans

2008-11-04 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [081104 21:09]: but I fail to see what a I hereby place this work in the public domain. fails to do. In Germany there is no possibility to waive copyright. You can give licenses. You cannot give up authorship. There is no direkt translation of the

Re: Public Domain for Germans

2008-11-04 Thread Ben Finney
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you have the option to decide on a license, it's probably far simpler to *retain* copyright as per default, and grant the recipient a do-just-about-anything license like the Expat license Is there any problem with the by default Public Domain Declaration, if

Re: Public Domain for Germans

2008-11-04 Thread Ben Finney
Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Ben Finney: It's not clear that “use” is enough; it doesn't specify copy, modify, or redistribute rights. This also doesn't disclaim warranty, which might be dangerous for someone distributing programs. Word on the street is that you can't

Header fields and followup address (was: Public Domain for Germans)

2008-11-04 Thread Ben Finney
Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PS: What's wrong with using a Mail-Followup-To: header? (That's “header field”. Remember, folks: an email message has, as specified in RFC 2822, exactly *one* header, consisting of multiple fields.) I can see two reasons: It's non-standard. It is not

Re: Public Domain for Germans

2008-11-04 Thread jfr . fg
I don't know of any default Public Domain Declaration. There are countless variations, with none of them being common enough IME to warrant default. _by_ default, not default. Why have the free license as fallback? I advise you to simplify: Work *with* the fact that you've got copyright,

Re: GNU Free Documentation License v1.3

2008-11-04 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:55 AM, MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: stet is still broken and the Google Summer of Code work is MIA, so where should comments be sent? Commenting works for me and others:

Re: Public Domain for Germans

2008-11-04 Thread Ben Finney
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why have the free license as fallback? I advise you to simplify: Work *with* the fact that you've got copyright, and license the work accordingly. After all this seems to be the best, although I like the Idea to give up copyright. So do I. I encourage both

Re: Public Domain for Germans

2008-11-04 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 11558 March 1977, jfr fg wrote: Can I as a German use the following Public Domain-declaration-text, if I want the result to be dfsg-free? I, the creator of this work, hereby release it into the public domain. This applies worldwide. In case this is not legally possible, I grant any