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as being exactly [your] position is me trying to say
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I guess this means that if my map have that logo then my map is not free, i
cant add it to Debian free packages.
As long as the logo itself is under a free license and your map does not
misuse any trademarks, I see no problem..
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limits are quite absurd and I'm not sure it even gives permission to
distribute for all the stuff you find in some postscript files).
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So it has no meaning to anyone else and for the US
government it is about rules set by thatself, so this
should not not be a problem for Debian at all.
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What do you mean with removed exactly? The statement itself
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the source if it existed in case you allow conditional definitions).
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* Paul Wise p...@debian.org [111223 06:51]:
I read an extraordinary claim about the GPL on IRC and during the
ensuing discussions I discovered a couple of countries with unusual
copyright law.
In Slovakia apparently license grants have to be in writing, meaning
most software licenses have no
* Florian Weimer f...@deneb.enyo.de [111225 18:30]:
Germany has the same problem, I think, because in order to protect
authors from distributors (which are often quasi-monopolistic), there
are limits to what license grants authors can make. As a result, a
similar situation could theoretically
* Hugo Roy h...@fsfe.org [29 18:13]:
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Say I have a blog, that is created by some software. Assume that
software contains AGPL code. Am I allowed to run a server that only
serves my blog without paying for anything
to share modifications to software
if I am not allowed to run it?
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you run your computer then this is a severe
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it in the files makes it easier for people
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[1] There might be one or two obscure countries left in the world where
it is needed for copyright protection and in some other countries
it might make some
that have historically high requirements on
creativity for work to be protected (as the general needs creativity
rule has to be lifted for software in order to have any commercial
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speakers like
me evidence is stuff good enough for court, which is far to strong
here.).
And having stuff marked as being from other sources is a very clear
indication there might be at least some copyright line missing and
very likely also a license.
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legislation[1].
The same situation like if some author is dead long enough for one
legislation but not long enough for another, then the work can
be public domain in some parts of the world and not public domain
in other parts of the world.
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[1] Berne has recipocity
to it,
it definitely is not source in any meaning useful to interpret the DFSG.
And while postscript can be nice hand-written source, dvips
generated postscript code is usually the exact opposite and most of
the time even too opaque to even make trivial changes.
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statements like that. From what I
understand it might be possible that one day the US goverment decides
it wants to sue someone copying things like that outside the US and
might win in court.
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[1] Except in countries that do not protect works that are not protected
* Teemu Ikonen tpiko...@gmail.com [101212 20:15]:
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* Aaron M. Ucko a...@alum.mit.edu [101210 20:36]:
The conclusion I draw from the threads above is that the license above
is DFSG-free.
I agree with you
into the public domain
Only in the US. They still own the copyright for the rest of the world.
(And then I think they can buy stuff not produced by themselves and that
is not even public domain in the US).
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unless it is consciously obfuscated).
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asking for those). That would suffice if everything in there would
GPLv2. I guess except perhaps some advertise-clauses of some old BSD
like licenses that should be the hardest part.
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'forgot' to update individual files,
which should be fixable easily)
or there is noone with this right, then any claim in the LICENSE file
to grant an additional license for this file would be known false thus
not useable.
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Is there any citation for that? I've not yet seen any evidence or hint
of an evidence why a German cannot give an maximal permissive license
by talking about putting it into public domain.
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the problem is less severe with documentation than with
programs, as translating to text and reformating is often not that big
a loss for documentation. But I think in most cases only a .pdf is still to
hard to change to call it free.
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possible with the pdf, then it can be OK in my
eyes. But as I said, I think in most cases that is simply not the case.
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you do not know where it origins from or if it actually has a free
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[1] like sources with different coding style, or code and other things
like images
are public domain in
the USA but one of the recent discussions showed they are not public
domain outside.
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* Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net [090209 05:39]:
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1) The safe way: See what it does, describe someone else not knowing the
code to write code doing this for you and use that code.
Does that actually work? The description is a derivative work
if you want to go this
way).
losing it would probably cause dataloss in use of the application.
What happens if javascript is disabled? Please make sure the application
also works then (or at the very minimum, fails gracefully).
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organisational unit of the USA).
On the other hand, waiting till someone sues will not make the situation
much easier (though if it really is only one copyright holder for
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think with class of works it means
classes like texts, paintings, radio broadcasts, software, ... and not
classes like made as work for the government.
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works abroad.
and explain?
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* Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [081201 13:37]:
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And you think that once there will be hundreds of such renamed projects
of the same program which only have some patches that are not very
usefull for most people because of having to specific solutions and no
activity
?
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[1] Let's assume every software is AGPL and the router has some
webinterface where every user (and not just the one operating the
device) can interact with it, for example by adding firewall entries for
their own computer in it.
[2] Users here in the sense of those
to some free software charity would
be acceptable for main?
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achieve. I should be legal in the US and I doubt a German court will
tell someone they used the wrong magic words but interpret the
intention.
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would just be impractical).
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or business...
And I doubt anyone is of the opinion that you will be able to download
it once this lawsuite is settled is timeframe that is allowed...
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* Davi Leal [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080915 20:55]:
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Is it so hard for your to understand, that not being able to run
modified services secretly is a restriction?
Is it so hard for you understand, that not being able to distribute only the
binary of a modified Linux kernel
secretly is a restriction?
That having to make sure something can be downloaded from somewhere
means costs? (And that enumerating services offering such a service
without payment for another mean without any guarantee does not mean
it has no costs?)
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, and then gives a
licence.
See also
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_rights_reserved
(Though I would say it was essentially deprecated much earlier than
that, but I'm not from the US, so even mentioning Berne Convention
sounds like an anachronism in my ears...)
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and I see no reason to label non-free things free in the future.
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[1] There is a German proverb Das Gegenteil von gut ist gut gemeint,
which translates roughly to
the opposite of doing good is done with good intentions.
[2] And now that free
the memory on embedded systems is even smaller, so this is a
very noticeable restriction.
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to stop your service when the upstream service no
longer runs or no longer contains the version is question[1], or only
to be prepared to react on this occasion, is not a negligible cost.
Hope that explains why I consider it non-free,
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[1] This does not need bad intent
copyright law a bit in a
way to make sure other people's rights are more effective (by forbidding
obscured source (e.g. binaries ;-)).
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[1] I know there are some theories that running is copying to memory and
thus needs permission, but luckily
that that running software is nothing that a sane copyright law
should interfere with and nothing anything wanting to be called free
license has a right to limit.
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the things they would be if there was no license at all.
And when people make modified variants, it stays this way.
What AGPL does, is trying to limit how a program is allowed to run. That
is an very important difference.
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their software for any purpose they see fit?
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the possibility to terminate transfers and licenses,
and in §106A allows and author (and explicitly not the copyright owner)
of an visual art to prevent distortion, mutilation,
They may be smaller in scope and amount, but are definitly there...
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for believing something we were told with no
hints against. (Strange, though, that people are assumed to know the law
(or know that they do not know and ask a lawyer), but not assumed to
know all the facts. Perhaps that's because lawyers make those rules).
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* Sean Kellogg [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080228 20:54]:
On Thursday 28 February 2008 11:27:15 am Bernhard R. Link wrote:
* Sean Kellogg [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080228 20:01]:
On Thursday 28 February 2008 10:19:26 am Walter Landry wrote:
You just have not been around long enough ;) The desert island
test and the dissident test are just simple examples
why you may modify provided that you publish is something very
different from you may modify.
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* Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] [071117 23:55]:
In addition, according to other posters in this thread the term
Urheberrecht is better translated as author's rights.
I
regarding creators/causers/originators.
One cannot even say which of those is more verbatim or more in meaning.
[1] There are differences, but most of them are just procedural. Like
you cannot transfer copyright, but grant an exclusive license and so on
and so forth...
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out
of fear they might be needed somewhere. As it looks like a contradiction
it is note nice and better be removed. But I'd guess that this part
is no real problem.
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the editor contributing the formating by autoindenting to be distributed
as part of the source. Nor the documents and standards (or even the
reference book descriping your language and interfaces) read while
writing it.
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on freedom without any gain at all, which I refuse to call free.
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it contains, plus any
# associated interface definition files, plus the scripts used to
# control compilation and installation of the executable.
scripts used to control compilation is clearly what we currently
refer to as build system.
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might not restrict running at all, so restrict it more than with
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to not give it to anyone not accepting the license, ...)
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Where did the unless that component itself accompanies the
executable go? Is it somewhere else?
It has been eliminated, intentionally. The rationale is to make
things like Debian GNU/Solaris legal
not disallow
them to distribute unless they give such a license? This could lead
to irrational fears. (with the result of corporate laywers forbidding
the poor ingeneers to use it)
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the jurisdiction choosen by the clause, what will happen?
Will simply the normal rules apply, or will both have to
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Ignorance is bliss, I guess.
Oh, all hail Micheal, the great martyr trying to open our eyes.
Better this way?
Sorry for writing, but I can only ignore a certain amount of
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Ah, so we are not only crack-smoking but also targeting anarchy?
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or any other large company selling non-free software?
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source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above
on a medium customarily used for software interchange;
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partimage: partimage.1.gz
partimage-server: partimaged.8.gz partimagedusers.5.gz
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[1] As this specific info page is not yet in a package, though I do not
doubt there will be some that have the same problem.
[2] Consider
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1: and before anyone starts discussing about freeness: Do you have the
source and all perimissions to do with it what we require for the word
free in this context?
code to libc that the library and
the program are always executed on the other one of the processors.
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from the
same author.
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a section
termination the licence if you breach any FSF copyright?)
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when you
insert BSD or GPLv3 for [blub].
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it impossible
for him to allow others to use it. Anyone knows some reading if there is
any other possibility and if this possibilty is even applicaple to
software?
Hochachtungsvoll,
Bernhard R. Link
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Sendmail is like emacs: A nice operating system, but missing
an editor and a MTA.
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