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> On Sun, Feb 04, 2024 at 05:38:57AM +, Muhammad Yaaseen wrote:
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> we are not allowed to create symbolic links. the doubt I have is whether
> I can hardlink these files and reduce the memory utilization.
This isn't really a legal question; as a practical matter, it is not
possible to ship cross-package hardlinks in .
a hash of Ubuntu's
shim, or Ubuntu's signing key). dbx updates should be carefully managed in
conjunction with updates to the bootloader itself, which the tighter
coupling of a directly-managed native package gives us. I think similar
reasoning would apply for Debian.
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tation" of a copyrighted work. Your
interpretation of copyright law is inconsistent with how Debian has operated
for over 20 years, and I do not expect Debian to cede this position without
lawyers getting involved, or for Debian to be willing to distribute any of
your code, as part of frr or o
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he Debian FTP site is this:
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/
This site is used to distribute the Debian operating system, which is Free
Software. No private data is distributed from this site.
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ce code
as a condition of distributing in its territory. In the case of free
software, the country is not imposing a requirement to make source
available; it is only enforcing the *software license's* requirement to make
source available.
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would take the conservative approach
of treating this as a GPL2 (not GPL2+) work for debian/copyright.
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describe gives people permission to use the GPL software from
GPL-incompatible language runtimes. I don't think anyone who licensed a
library under the GPL (mainly the FSF) would have any reason to grant such
an exception.
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been reverse-engineered in apparent contravention of an EULA. It's
for the courts to determine if such a work infringes copyright of the
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This is entirely separate from the question of whether they should be
included in the ca-certificates package, or enabled by default.
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on this, the Debian project
should refuse their efforts and steer clear of this issue.
See also https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2014/03/msg00145.html.
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it as a binary.
So this makes the package undistributable for Debian, but not necessarily
for upstream.
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pretty unambiguously a polite request, not part of the license
requirements.
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it at arm's length, and you would
need an OpenSSL exception on /all/ of the code.
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On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:10:58PM +0100, Victor Seva wrote:
Hi Steve,
Thanks for your quick reply.
2013/11/12 Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org:
If, however, you are enabling the tls plugin *by default* - for
instance, by providing a metapackage that pulls the two separate packages
with it, consistant license be damned.
It is all very confusing.
And 3 means I can't even ask anyone about this confusion.
Can anybody clarify? 3) says not.
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, this appears to be the license for the TCK, which is not
part of the OpenJDK that we ship. The TCK is not freely redistributable at
all.
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On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 08:04:20AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
Steve Langasek dijo [Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 08:13:30PM -0700]:
So, my request is for you _not_ to ban him, but for Francesco to tone
down. Yes, this might re-escalate later on, and things might be
re-evaluated. But talking about
therefore not allow him to act as
part of Debian's face.
If Debian bans Francesco from this list, I will fee very ashamed of us.
If Debian fails to ban Francesco from this list, the list should be
disbanded.
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On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 11:08:17AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 03:29:27PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
I think that this discussion is going completely out of proportions.
Francesco always makes sure that his replies contain an informative
answer. In the last
use of the list for espousing your
*personal opinion* on questions that have been settled *for years* from the
project's perspective is actively harmful and must stop.
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as well as guidance regarding the *legality* of particular combinations of
works. You using the list as a soapbox for your opinions about licenses
that you think Debian *shouldn't* accept is an abuse of the list.
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, even when they aren't free in other aspects of their lives that we
don't have control over.
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own process for
ECCN determinations under the Wassenaar Arrangement?
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on a package in
non-free (provided you can find a DD willing to upload it), but you *must*
have a license for distribution that's separate from any EULA.
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public domain without presenting a pedigree that proves that they are.
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grounds for
claiming that this is mere aggregation. Linking object files together
into an executable binary is absolutely in scope for the kinds of things
that the GPL is designed to guard against.
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On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 06:34:35AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
Sita Sings the Blues goes public domain (CC0):
http://blog.ninapaley.com/2013/01/18/ahimsa-sita-sings-the-blues-now-cc-0-public-domain/
... but not DFSG-free.
In what way is CC-0 not dfsg-free?
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considering debian/copyright itself the
requirement, and that's a *bug*.
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. It is recommended to read the specific license terms
of non-free software you install prior to use.
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paragraphs.
(E.g., if the source package contains source for two different programs, and
the sources are freely but incompatibly licensed, don't just say Files: *
License: License-1 and License-2 since that doesn't tell users anything
about what their rights are.)
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, the remaining provisions of this license remain in full force
and effect.
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it from the package without
specific legal guidance to the contrary is a gross overreaction.
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to these clauses I side with the ftp masters (who
have already accepted CC-BY-SA 3.0) and believe they're DFSG-compatible,
though I would definitely not recommend any of these clauses.
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endeavour, and that absolutely includes illegal ones. The law is sometimes
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On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 05:56:18PM -0700, Ken Arromdee wrote:
On Sat, 15 Sep 2012, Steve Langasek wrote:
* You acknowledge that this software is not designed, licensed or
* intended for use in the design, construction, operation or
* maintenance of any nuclear facility.
This is a standard
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 12:39:23PM -0600, Eric Smith wrote:
I quoted from the Sun license on Java3D:
* You acknowledge that this software is not designed, licensed or
* intended for use in the design, construction, operation or
* maintenance of any nuclear facility.
Steve Langasek wrote
that the software
has not been approved *by the government regulatory agencies* for use in
nuclear facilities in the US.
Warranty disclaimers are fine under the DFSG.
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output.
If you find an authoritative license statement to the contrary, *then* we
should worry about whether this is non-redistributable.
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portions are copyright other people/entities. There's no reason to
deviate from this sensible default just because it's known that one of the
entities listed releases other software under proprietary licenses.
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statement that *Debian* should not block on such an investigation.
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use whatever name for the Debian package makes the most sense,
but change the name of the Java package to something other than edu.hws.
HTH,
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the output, the new copyright that attaches is yours, assuming that the
choosing and assembling is non-trivially creative; the machine doesn't hold
any copyright.
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On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 02:00:24PM -0400, Clark C. Evans wrote:
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012, at 09:53 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:
In the GPLv3 only case, I think there's also still room to maneuver;
even though the translation is initially a mechanical translation, once
done, doesn't
to confirm that the
name on the UID matches the name they know for you.
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believe a trademark license that left Debian free to apply security fixes
and fixes for bugs with the integration with the OS without requiring prior
sign-off by the mark holder would almost certainly be acceptable to Debian.
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On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 03:32:18PM +1200, Dan Wallis wrote:
2011/6/24 Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org:
However, in reading the bug log my understanding is the upstream author's
position is that the GPL does not require dynamically-linked libraries to be
distributed under the same license
for Debian's purposes. If there are
other copyright holders, we would need to get similar clarification of
intent, or an OpenSSL linking exception, from each of them.
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already do gathering names of copyright holders
if this won't significantly improve our confidence in the correctness of the
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circumventable by the maintainer, this should also be fine.
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doing something with the name *aside from* packaging that could infringe the
trademark.
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On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 09:57:22PM +0530, Sriram Narayanan wrote:
Joerg Schilling
You must be joking. We're looking for legal expertise, not reality
distortion fields.
or LaForge too may be good sources of information.
Who?
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for angle down to the pixel, it stretches
credulity to claim that this occurred to them independently.
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precedent. You should consult an attorney if you have doubts about whether
you're doing something that infringes a trademark. But common sense goes a
long way here...
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permitted under the existing Debian license, please consult your legal
counsel. If you wish to request a license exception to use the logo in a
way not permitted by the standing license, please direct such requests to
the Debian Project Leader (lea...@debian.org).
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On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 03:19:14PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote:
So long as the upload queue continues to reside in the US, this is true.
However, the current ftp team have made several proposals that seem to
disregard
software
under the trademarked name; this only leads to the confused belief that we
*need* such permission to use trademarks as package names, and we don't.
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On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 08:53:44PM -0600, Morgan Gangwere wrote:
On 9/12/2010 8:42 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
Simply put, a trademark license, even a restrictive one, has no impact on
DFSG compliance because it's unrelated to whether or not you use the
software in question.
PMI, but isn't
On Sun, Apr 04, 2010 at 08:11:26PM -0700, Walter Landry wrote:
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote:
On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 12:22:53AM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote:
However, it is my opinion that works with unavailable source do not
comply with DFSG#2, regardless of the license.
Your
include source code, not arbitrary
non-program works distributed in Debian.
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requirement).
Therefore, if CC BY-SA 3.0 is ok, CC BY 3.0 is also ok.
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to address *only* the issue you've mentioned.
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the DFSG.
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with the /license/. The language leaves open the
possibility that you might choose to continue distributing a work in
compliance with the GPL but in violation of the law. :)
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to light that this recent license
conflict was deliberate on the part of the FSF, I would certainly support
handling it in a consistent manner.
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as a unilateral contract anywhere else either. A
license is not a contract.
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On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:42:46PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2009 11:37:56 +0200 Steve Langasek wrote:
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:33:52AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Disclaimers, of course: IANADD, TINASOTODP (and IANAL, TINLA).
If you really feel the urge to add
to be treated like patent restricted formats. Mono
just happens to be one.
Mono is treated like patent-restricted formats: we don't consider the
existence of a software patent claim to be a sufficient reason to remove
software from main.
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needs to add all these
acronyms is because his posts are an inappropriate use of this mailing list
and not productive, and stop posting.
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we want people not formally affiliated with the Debian
project registering domains using the name debian in any case, but I'm
pretty sure we don't have a registered trademark in Iran and suspect we
would find it hard to hold one. ;)
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On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 10:33:38AM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
* Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org [090328 23:46]:
And this has all been discussed before.
Obviously not often enough for you.
Oh, I'd much rather be doing something other than discussing this, but as
long as people are going
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 08:55:27AM +, MJ Ray wrote:
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote:
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 09:51:46AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
The PDF needs to come with sources to build the corresponding PDF
*using only free software in Debian*, or it's not acceptable
*, or it's not acceptable for
Debian.
The same needs to be true of any binary in Debian, AIUI.
The DFSG does not say this. Source is only mandatory for programs under the
DFSG as written.
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to anyone familiar with ordinary legal language - not that it's
unambiguously non-free, as Ben Finney seems to maintain. Greg Harris has it
right, and Ben Finney as usual is coming up with absurd constructivist
non-free readings of licenses.
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is hereby
granted,
I find that wording rather ambiguous, in my mind it could mean any of
the following:
* You may [foo] for any purpose, without paying a fee
* You may [foo] for any purpose, as long as you do so without fee
Does anyone else see this ambiguity ?
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and anyone receiving the
code from Debian would be pretty far down on the list of defendants. We
should nevertheless recognize that this is a possibility, and make an
informed decision about whether to accept that risk.
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Americans legal advice
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license status; hence the bug
should not be closed outright, IMHO.
(The lenny-ignore tag is also left in place, reflecting the release team's
intent to not treat this as a blocker for lenny if there were a reason to
re-raise the severity.)
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, if it was rejected out of the NEW queue. Perhaps it was sent
to your sponsor?
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to a trademark
CD on behalf of the upstream of a free software game clone.
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previously, due to practical problems with the implementation of those
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developers.
Presumably you're referring here to the irrelevant straw poll you ran a
while back, which wasn't worth responding to for reasons unrelated to my
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this.
This is a circular argument. You have not established that the data and
code comprise a single work under copyright law.
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. A license can't force you to do something that
contradicts a higher law.
Uh, no. If the license contradicts the law, then *you don't have a valid
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In GPLv3 the wording is different but the conclusion is the same; the FSF
doesn't mean for OpenSSL to get an exception by default.
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