Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-31 Thread Frank Küster
Mark Rafn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Rafn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This discussion seems to have gone into the weeds about WHY someone would want to make a change and whether Debian is able to make such changes reasonably. On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Frank Küster wrote: Well, only in part. A

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-31 Thread Mark Rafn
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006, Frank Küster wrote: In practice, this means that the version string displayed in the file log of a LaTeX run will be different, and that the user, or a developer of a package that uses the work, has the possibility to check for the version and act accordingly; it does of

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-31 Thread Frank Küster
Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In practice, this means that the version string displayed in the file log of a LaTeX run will be different, and that the user, or a developer of a package that uses the work, has the possibility to check for the version and act accordingly; it does of

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-31 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 01:15:06AM -0800, Mark Rafn wrote: A human can tell the difference if he bothers to look. System software does not change behavior based on this human identification. Well, it might: if the software uses the human identification to select which font to use when

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-30 Thread Frank Küster
Mark Rafn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Debian decides to distribute works containing your font. The original upstream disappears. A bug is discovered in the font, and Debian needs to fix it. On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Marco d'Itri wrote: Yes, and this is considered a

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-30 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Frank Küster wrote: On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Don Armstrong wrote: The same argument applies equally well to programs. We should be intelligent enough in our fixing of bugs in fonts not to break existing documents, That's plain impossible. A bug in a font could be a wrong

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-30 Thread Frank Küster
Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This exact argument can be made to apply to programs. We as distributors (or our users as users) should be able to make the determination whether it's appropriate to break compatibility to fix the bug, or keep compatibility and live with the bug. A

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-30 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 02:25:34 -0800 Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Frank Küster wrote: [...] if you've got a font that is in wide use and regarded as stable, changing the kerning is a design decision and should in fact change the name under which the font is available to the user

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-30 Thread Mark Rafn
Mark Rafn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This discussion seems to have gone into the weeds about WHY someone would want to make a change and whether Debian is able to make such changes reasonably. On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Frank Küster wrote: Well, only in part. A font that you can't rely on is mostly

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-29 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, as you can see there is basically one problematic clause for inclusion in Debian, and a few other minor issues that should probably be resolved before font authors start using this license. Are you sure the naming clause is really that problematic for

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-29 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What you're trying to prevent is clear, it's just not necessary to use a license to do this. Consider the following: Debian decides to distribute works containing your font. The original upstream disappears. A bug is discovered in the font, and Debian needs to fix it. We

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-29 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Marco d'Itri wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Debian decides to distribute works containing your font. The original upstream disappears. A bug is discovered in the font, and Debian needs to fix it. Yes, and this is considered a feature. Usually existing documents

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-29 Thread Mark Rafn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Debian decides to distribute works containing your font. The original upstream disappears. A bug is discovered in the font, and Debian needs to fix it. On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Marco d'Itri wrote: Yes, and this is considered a feature. Usually existing documents should

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-29 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sun, Jan 29, 2006 at 04:04:44PM -0800, Mark Rafn wrote: It seems a clear test: if I can't distribute a changed version that can be dropped into a system without changing other software, it ain't free. I'd take this just a little further, in that the user shouldn't have to change his

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-28 Thread Nicolas Spalinger
[snip] First off; while I am a Debian Developer, and do have some experience in auditing licenses for DFSG compliance, I can't make any claims one way or another as to whether software licensed under such a license will be acceptable for inclusion in main (main being the part of the Debian

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-28 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006, Nicolas Spalinger wrote: Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy of the Font Software, to use, study, copy, merge, embed, modify, redistribute, and sell modified and unmodified copies of the Font Software,

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-28 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sat, Jan 28, 2006 at 09:35:33PM +0100, Nicolas Spalinger wrote: 3) No Modified Version of the Font Software may use the Reserved Font Name(s), in part or in whole, unless explicit written permission is granted by the Copyright Holder. This restriction applies to all

OFL license analysis

2006-01-22 Thread Don Armstrong
Along with the stix license, there were a few questions asked about the OFL license as well. We visited the license a while ago, but never really came to a complete conclusion on it one way or another. Attached is the license again for reference, along with my own analysis of it. Don Armstrong