Re: Bug#224866: kanjidic: Kanjidic is not DFSG-free

2003-12-23 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Dafydd Harries wrote: Kanjidic's copyright file states (lines 208-212): The commercial utilization of the frequency numbers is prohibited without written permission from Jack Halpern. Use by individuals and small groups for reference and research purposes is

Re: Bug#224866: kanjidic: Kanjidic is not DFSG-free

2003-12-23 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The commercial utilization of the frequency numbers is prohibited without written permission from Jack Halpern. Use by individuals and small groups for reference and research purposes is permitted, on condition that acknowledgement of the

I'll contact upstream

2003-12-23 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
reopen 183860 tags 183860 moreinfo thanks control I've just send a message to RMS (cc'd to this bug) asking for clarification. I hope we get as solution soon; however, at the moment, this appears to be quite a valid bug. Using even marginally cautious standard of what constitutes a work

Re: I'll contact upstream

2003-12-23 Thread Florian Weimer
Anthony DeRobertis wrote: I hope we get as solution soon; however, at the moment, this appears to be quite a valid bug. Using even marginally cautious standard of what constitutes a work based on [the Program] under Section 2 [of the GPL], the manuals qualify. Huh? Why do you think that

Re: I'll contact upstream

2003-12-23 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Dec 23, 2003, at 13:21, Florian Weimer wrote: Huh? Why do you think that running a document written in Texinfo through a Texinfo interpreter makes the document a derivative work of a (specific) Texinfo interpreter? Because that's not what we're doing. We're running texinfo.tex and

Re: I'll contact upstream

2003-12-23 Thread Florian Weimer
Anthony DeRobertis wrote: On Dec 23, 2003, at 13:21, Florian Weimer wrote: Huh? Why do you think that running a document written in Texinfo through a Texinfo interpreter makes the document a derivative work of a (specific) Texinfo interpreter? Because that's not what we're doing. We're

Re: Bug#224866: kanjidic: Kanjidic is not DFSG-free

2003-12-23 Thread Ludovic Drolez
Dafydd Harries wrote: This appears to me to be a clear violation of policy. The problem with SKIP codes has been fixed in kanjidic 2003.07.21-1. See the changelog: kanjidic (2003.07.21-1) unstable; urgency=low * New upstream release * New license that allows modifications and free

Re: I'll contact upstream

2003-12-23 Thread Simon Law
On Tue, Dec 23, 2003 at 08:06:28PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: Anthony DeRobertis wrote: On Dec 23, 2003, at 13:21, Florian Weimer wrote: Huh? Why do you think that running a document written in Texinfo through a Texinfo interpreter makes the document a derivative work of a

Re: Bug#224866: kanjidic: Kanjidic is not DFSG-free

2003-12-23 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Ludovic Drolez wrote: Moreover, Jim Breen, the author of kanjidic, explained me that Jack Halpern's SKIP copyright statement is a dead letter (and kanjidic file has been used by freeware and shareware for a decade without Jack Halpern making any noise about it). He'll also

Re: Bug#224866: kanjidic: Kanjidic is not DFSG-free

2003-12-23 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED]: First, since the frequency can be construed as a fact, and therefore is not copyrightable work of authorship, I'm not particularly concerned by this. [If there is a jurisdiction which does construe mere

Re: Binaries under GPL(2)

2003-12-23 Thread Alexander Cherepanov
15-Dec-03 07:39 Walter Landry wrote: Alexander Cherepanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 8-Dec-03 20:43 Walter Landry wrote: If I give you GPL'd source, then there is only two ways in which you can make modifications, Section 2 and Section 3. Section 3 allows a particular kind of modification

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-23 Thread Alexander Cherepanov
17-Dec-03 07:26 Anthony DeRobertis wrote: Emphasis added, of course. So, when I write a plugin I can't claim to have created a compilation of the plugin and the host, because the plugin is not preexisting. Following the readme file's statement that A is a plugin for HOST certainly does not

Re: Binaries under GPL(2)

2003-12-23 Thread Alexander Cherepanov
16-Dec-03 16:07 Joe Moore wrote: Anthony DeRobertis said: The only time I think they would allow otherwise would be if the copyright holder distributed object code under the GPL. I don't know what they'd do then. I'd argue (not that a court would necessarily agree) that The Work described

Re: Binaries under GPL(2)

2003-12-23 Thread Alexander Cherepanov
16-Dec-03 13:34 Anthony DeRobertis wrote: On Dec 13, 2003, at 23:09, Alexander Cherepanov wrote: The hole in the explicit wording seems to be so clear that I start doubting it is just an oversight. Maybe it's normal for sections of a license to trump each other? If one section of a legal

Re: Binaries under GPL(2)

2003-12-23 Thread Walter Landry
Alexander Cherepanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 15-Dec-03 07:39 Walter Landry wrote: Alexander Cherepanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 8-Dec-03 20:43 Walter Landry wrote: Thus, when distributing binaries compiled from sources, the compilation is under Section 2 and the distribution is under