Re: Free open DRM software

2004-08-10 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
Brian M Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was contemplating the conundrum of open source digital rights management, and would like some feedback. If someone were to write digital rights software, eg. for downloading from iTunes, could they license it under a free software license like the

Conditions vs. (possibly inaccurate) notices (was Re: Please pass judgement on X-Oz licence: free or nay?

2004-08-10 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Matthew Garrett wrote: The wording of the clause is identical. Are you claiming that the differing location of it in the license alters the situations that it applies to? Absolutely. In the X11 license: Permission is hereby granted provided that... and that... appear in supporting

Re: Bug#248853: 3270: 5250 emulation code, all rights reserved

2004-08-10 Thread Nathanael Nerode
In case anyone was wondering, this is far from cleared up. :-( Ahh, the horror continues. I would be happy to remove all of the Minolta-copyrighted code. Perhaps the best choice. Beat Rubischon has sent a nice message apparently granting permission to use his code under any license as long

Re: Netatalk and OpenSSL licencing

2004-08-10 Thread Freek Dijkstra
On 10-8-2004 00:49, Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I propose to built netatalk (with GPL licence) against OpenSSL (a non-GPL licence) and distribute the whole with the GPL licence. How does that violate the GPL? You can't distribute the whole under the GPL. You must adhere to the

Re: Re: Please pass judgement on X-Oz licence: free or nay?

2004-08-10 Thread Joe Wreschnig
1. I'm on the list. Please don't Cc me. 2. Don't break threads. On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 22:36, Nathanael Nerode wrote: Pay more attention. :-) The warranty disclaimer is not a condition of the license; it's not a condition of any sort, simply an assertion that there is no warranty. Now if

NEW ocaml licence proposal by upstream, will be part of the 3.08.1 release going into sarge.

2004-08-10 Thread Sven Luther
Hello, Ok, find attached the new ocaml licence proposal, which will go into the ocaml 3.08.1 release, which is scheduled for inclusion in sarge. As said previously, it fixes the clause of venue problem, and the clause QPL 6c problem. The problems concerning QPL 3 remain, but consensus about it

Re: Netatalk and OpenSSL licencing

2004-08-10 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 09:56:08AM +0200, Freek Dijkstra wrote: OK. I understand your argument, but I do not agree with it, and in fact would argue that this parse error Since your opinion forms the majority, that is the end of that. Well, the correct answers to legal issues are not,

Re: Netatalk and OpenSSL licencing

2004-08-10 Thread Freek Dijkstra
On 10-08-2004 11:24, Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the record, this is my opinion: If indeed, if I am ONLY distributing netatalk binary, linked to OpenSSL, but no including OpenSSL. Then I have a program able to talk to OpenSSL is present. However, it can just as well work

Re: NEW ocaml licence proposal by upstream, will be part of the 3.08.1 release going into sarge.

2004-08-10 Thread Joe Moore
Sven Luther wrote: Ok, find attached the new ocaml licence proposal, which will go into the ocaml 3.08.1 release, which is scheduled for inclusion in sarge. I would only offer one small piece of feedback, and that is that the license for The Compiler is described as the QPL version 1.0, while

Re: NEW ocaml licence proposal by upstream, will be part of the 3.08.1 release going into sarge.

2004-08-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 07:43:06AM -0400, Joe Moore wrote: Sven Luther wrote: Ok, find attached the new ocaml licence proposal, which will go into the ocaml 3.08.1 release, which is scheduled for inclusion in sarge. I would only offer one small piece of feedback, and that is that the

Re: Free open DRM software

2004-08-10 Thread Joe Moore
Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: Brian M Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was contemplating the conundrum of open source digital rights management, and would like some feedback. If someone were to write digital rights software, eg. for downloading from iTunes, could they license it under a free

Re: NEW ocaml licence proposal by upstream, will be part of the 3.08.1 release going into sarge.

2004-08-10 Thread Joe Moore
Sven Luther said: No, the QPL itself is non-free, and doesn't allow for modification, which is why we chose to use the pure QPL, and then the special exception. The choice of law clause is allowed to be modified though by Trolltech, so it is less problematic. Ok, one apt-get install wdiff

Re: NEW ocaml licence proposal by upstream, will be part of the 3.08.1 release going into sarge.

2004-08-10 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-08-10 10:37:28 +0100 Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] as i don't really have time for another monster debian-legal flamewar, and am more busy getting my packages ready for the sarge release than nit picking here. Well, don't post flamebait to debian-legal that seems to

Re: NEW ocaml licence proposal by upstream, will be part of the 3.08.1 release going into sarge.

2004-08-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 09:41:51AM -0500, Joe Moore wrote: Sven Luther said: No, the QPL itself is non-free, and doesn't allow for modification, which is why we chose to use the pure QPL, and then the special exception. The choice of law clause is allowed to be modified though by

Re: NEW ocaml licence proposal by upstream, will be part of the 3.08.1 release going into sarge.

2004-08-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 02:48:16PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: On 2004-08-10 10:37:28 +0100 Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] as i don't really have time for another monster debian-legal flamewar, and am more busy getting my packages ready for the sarge release than nit picking here.

Re: Re: nmap license

2004-08-10 Thread Humberto Massa
You are right. this will render nmap undistributable by Debian. -- br,M

Re: NEW ocaml licence proposal by upstream, will be part of the 3.08.1 release going into sarge.

2004-08-10 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-08-10 15:44:48 +0100 Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 02:48:16PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Please, I'd appreciate any news on ocaml moving to CECILL being posted to debian-legal, if you can do that. TIA. Read the mailing archive, i think i posted it two times

advice regarding doom-engine licences

2004-08-10 Thread Jon Dowland
Hello all, I am emailing the list to ask your advice regarding a collection of licences which the doom engine and related engines have been licenced under. This is in relation to bug #264816 , `doomlegacy-sdl: combines incompatible, non-dfsg licences'. The doom computer game consists of two

Re: NEW ocaml licence proposal by upstream, will be part of the 3.08.1 release going into sarge.

2004-08-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 04:21:41PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: On 2004-08-10 15:44:48 +0100 Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 02:48:16PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Please, I'd appreciate any news on ocaml moving to CECILL being posted to debian-legal, if you can do that.

Re: nmap license

2004-08-10 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-08-10 02:10:02 +0100 Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I understand it, derivative work is a specific legal term, defined by law, not individual licenses. I've been told it's not in English law, which is why licences which choose English law should either define it or find

Re: Netatalk and OpenSSL licencing

2004-08-10 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Freek Dijkstra [EMAIL PROTECTED] [040809 13:42]: 2. Is the netatalk upstream author correct that he cannot reasonably make the exception (without asking all possible contributors) Not if he want to still use code for which he only has GPL as licence allowing him to incorporate it.

Re: Netatalk and OpenSSL licencing

2004-08-10 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 12:33:14PM +0200, Freek Dijkstra wrote: You indeed can not do that. But I hope you can do the reverse: take propriatory code, push it into a loadable module, making your GPL code use it, and make them into two seperate downloads. This is the same thing; they link

Re: nmap license

2004-08-10 Thread Humberto Massa
@ 10/08/2004 15:05 : wrote Mahesh T. Pai : Humberto Massa said on Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 11:21:56AM -0300,: You are right. this will render nmap undistributable by Debian. Who's right? and why? web interface in lists.debian.org did not play nice with my work mail server, proxy and my

Re: Re: Conditions vs. (possibly inaccurate) notices (was Re: Pleasepass judgement on X-Oz licence: free or nay?

2004-08-10 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Joe Wreschnig wrote: The X license also says permission is granted subject to the following conditions (note the plural); What X license are you reading? I'm reading http://www.x.org/Downloads_terms.html -- and it simply doesn't say anything of the sort. Are we perhaps talking about

Re: Please pass judgement on X-Oz licence: free or nay?

2004-08-10 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Joe Wreschnig wrote: 1. I'm on the list. Please don't Cc me. All right. 2. Don't break threads. This is temporarily unavoidable. When I get back to a decent machine On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 22:36, Nathanael Nerode wrote: Pay more attention. :-) The warranty disclaimer is not a condition

Re: nmap license

2004-08-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 06:32:51PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: On 2004-08-10 02:10:02 +0100 Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I understand it, derivative work is a specific legal term, defined by law, not individual licenses. I've been told it's not in English law, which is why licences

derivatives in English law, was: nmap license

2004-08-10 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-08-10 21:05:32 +0100 Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a parallel, synonymous term in UK law. Any reasonable court should accept it as a synonym. Relying on a reasonable court unless it's really certain might be seen as a lawyerbomb. What is the synonymous term? Given

Re: Re: Conditions vs. (possibly inaccurate) notices (was Re: Pleasepass judgement on X-Oz licence: free or nay?

2004-08-10 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 14:14, Nathanael Nerode wrote: Joe Wreschnig wrote: The X license also says permission is granted subject to the following conditions (note the plural); What X license are you reading? I'm reading http://www.x.org/Downloads_terms.html -- and it simply doesn't say

Re: Debian domain in Japan (Was: Please add us to debian CD vendors list)

2004-08-10 Thread Martin Schulze
Josh Triplett wrote: Another vendor using the Debian domain. I'm not sure if there is anything we can do about it but though at least you'd like to know someone has done this in Japan. Hmm, should we try to claim not to use debian domain? I'm not familiar about domain name dispute

Re: Clarification of redistribution

2004-08-10 Thread Mike Olson
All, I'm following up on a thread that's a month or so old, now. My apologies for the delay in closing this out. I was unsuccessful in getting the Commons folks to work with the FSF on a GPL-compatible commons deed. While I believe that such a deed would be in the interest of the community

Re: Re: Conditions vs. (possibly inaccurate) notices (was Re: Pleasepass judgement on X-Oz licence: free or nay?

2004-08-10 Thread Joe Wreschnig
licenses in that file, the phrase subject to the following conditions: is found in the SPI license, the XFree86 license, and the X Consortium license. It is not in the license that started this ^^^ That word shouldn't be

Re: advice regarding doom-engine licences

2004-08-10 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, I didn't check the sources, but from your description, if Am Di, den 10.08.2004 schrieb Jon Dowland um 17:12: They later released it under the GPL licence[2]. is true, then 1) The original ID licence and the heretic/hexen licence are both incompatible with the GPL and thus attempts

[Fwd: Upgrade of MySQL FLOSS License Exception]

2004-08-10 Thread Andres Salomon
FYI.. -- Andres Salomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---BeginMessage--- Greetings All, Version 0.2 of the MySQL FLOSS License Exception has been released. The MySQL FLOSS License Exception is an extension to the terms and conditions of the GNU General Public License (GPL) that increases the

Re: advice regarding doom-engine licences

2004-08-10 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:36:10 +0200, Joachim Breitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't check the sources, but from your description, if Am Di, den 10.08.2004 schrieb Jon Dowland um 17:12: They later released it under the GPL licence[2]. is true, then 1) [snip] is not true, since if

Re: Clarification of redistribution

2004-08-10 Thread Matthew Wilcox
On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 04:51:08PM -0400, Mike Olson wrote: I'm following up on a thread that's a month or so old, now. My apologies for the delay in closing this out. Not at all, thank you for pursuing this. I was unsuccessful in getting the Commons folks to work with the FSF on a

Re: NEW ocaml licence proposal by upstream, will be part of the 3.08.1 release going into sarge.

2004-08-10 Thread Walter Landry
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Ok, find attached the new ocaml licence proposal, which will go into the ocaml 3.08.1 release, which is scheduled for inclusion in sarge. As said previously, it fixes the clause of venue problem, and the clause QPL 6c problem. Great! The