Re: Java, GPL and CDDL

2007-11-14 Thread John Halton
On 13/11/2007, Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yves Combe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am wondering if Java GPLed application can link with CDDL classes? Case looks like the cdrecord question i saw in the archive. To understand whether there's a license conflict, there needs to be an

Re: The legality of wodim

2007-11-14 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 20:32:01 +0100, Oliver Vivell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And if you use terms, please translate them into english, that everybody understands them, so don't use Urheberrecht but the english term Intellectual property rights. I have to defend Jörg here. Urheberrecht is a German

Re: transitive GPL (exim4, OpenSSL, mySQL and others)

2007-11-14 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 23:35:55 +0100, Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le jeudi 08 novembre 2007 à 19:27 +0100, Marc Haber a écrit : (1) Is it ok to change exim's SSL library to OpenSSL in the current setup without violating the GPL for some of the library currently in use It would be

Re: The legality of wodim

2007-11-14 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 03:41:21PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 20:32:01 +0100, Oliver Vivell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And if you use terms, please translate them into english, that everybody understands them, so don't use Urheberrecht but the english term Intellectual

Re: The legality of wodim

2007-11-14 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Steve Langasek wrote: Hrm, this doesn't follow automatically. I'm aware of international treaties covering reciprocation of *copyrights*, but none that would mean Urheberrecht has force outside of Germany regardless of where the work was written. Do you have a reference for this?

Re: transitive GPL (exim4, OpenSSL, mySQL and others)

2007-11-14 Thread Ben Finney
Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If both M and P were GPL with OpenSSL exception, but L were GPL without OpenSSL exception, this linking would be a violation of L's license?`By virtue of P linking to M and L and M linking to OpenSSL? That's my understanding, yes. This is why things like

Re: transitive GPL (exim4, OpenSSL, mySQL and others)

2007-11-14 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Marc Haber said: Let me understand this in Theory. Given the following link tree: - | program P | - / \ / \ -

Re: DFSG-freeness of any license that fixes the ASP loophole

2007-11-14 Thread MJ Ray
Shriramana Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just discovered that the people I was trying to help to migrate to the GPL might be hesitating because they don't want their software to be used to provide a service over the network without the source being release, claiming that their service

Re: transitive GPL (exim4, OpenSSL, mySQL and others)

2007-11-14 Thread Ben Finney
Stephen Gran [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This one time, at band camp, Marc Haber said: If both M and P were GPL with OpenSSL exception, but L were GPL without OpenSSL exception, this linking would be a violation of L's license?`By virtue of P linking to M and L and M linking to OpenSSL?

Re: Policy on Binary Firmware Fetching in Main (e.g. foo2zjs)

2007-11-14 Thread Michael Gilbert
To use a rough analogy, compiz doesn't work on certain graphics cards unless one uses the proprietary driver for that card, but that doesn't in itself make compiz non-free. right, but this situation is different. so lets assume that foo2zjs is analogous to compiz and the printer firmware is

Re: Policy on Binary Firmware Fetching in Main (e.g. foo2zjs)

2007-11-14 Thread Michael Gilbert
Stephen Gran wrote: does getweb function correctly if the external files are unable to be downloaded? That's not a very useful question - does a web browser function 'correctly' when it gets a 404? It depends entirely on what you mean by correctly, and that starts to feel like there's no

Re: Policy on Binary Firmware Fetching in Main (e.g. foo2zjs)

2007-11-14 Thread Michael Gilbert
You are missing the point: some printers may or may not work, but the program itself still has the same capabilities and is not influenced by what getweb does. that's why it is ok for most of the program to be in main. its just getweb that depends on non-free data. No, it does not. you

Re: transitive GPL (exim4, OpenSSL, mySQL and others)

2007-11-14 Thread Jeff Licquia
Stephen Gran wrote: I have been under the impression that the answer is no. You're not linking L to OpenSSL. It could be argued that this was an attempt at defeating the GPL if P was a thin shim layer between L and OpenSSL, but I don't think anyone can reasonably argue that for our default