Re: Font license and inclusion in debian (RTP 719605)

2013-08-16 Thread Ben Finney
Vincent Lhote deb...@vincent.lhote.name writes: I was pointed to a font and thought it would be a fine addition to Debian. But the text of its license makes me wonder if it can be included. Thank you for taking software freedom seriously! Debian is an entirely free-software operating system,

Font license and inclusion in debian (RTP 719605)

2013-08-15 Thread Vincent Lhote
Dear Debian legal team, I was pointed to a font and thought it would be a fine addition to Debian. But the text of its license makes me wonder if it can be included. I did some search, and I think it can be included, at least in non-free. I was wondering if the no derivative clause would prevent

Re: Font license and inclusion in debian (RTP 719605)

2013-08-15 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 13304 March 1977, Vincent Lhote wrote: Conditions of use You may: -Install the fonts on as many devices as you wish. -Distribute the fonts to anyone you wish. -Use the fonts in any commercial or non-commercial document. -Save the fonts in a format that would best fit your purposes. You

Font license

2011-05-09 Thread أحمد المحمودي
Hello, I am considering to package a font, its license is as follows: By installing this Font You accept all the terms and conditions of this Agreement. Copyright (c) 2010 by King Fahd Glorious Quran Printing Complex (KFGQPC), AlMadinah AlMunawarrah, Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. All Rights

Re: Font license

2011-05-09 Thread Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
Hi! Am 09.05.2011 15:09, schrieb أحمد المحمودي: Permission is hereby granted, Free of Cost, to any person obtaining a copy of this Font accompanying this license, the rights to Use, Copy, Distribute, subject to the following conditions: [..] Is that acceptable in Debian non-free ? That

Re: Font license

2011-05-09 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, May 09, 2011 at 03:09:15PM +0200, أحمد المحمودي a écrit : 1.The Font Software cannot be Sold, Modified, Altered, Translated, Reverse Engineered, Decompiled, Disassembled, Reproduced or Attempted to discover the Source Code of this Font in no means. Dear Ahmed, this is very

Re: Is IPA Font license DFSG-Free?

2009-06-05 Thread Hideki Yamane
Hi Josselin, On Sun, 31 May 2009 19:00:13 +0200 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote: Otherwise, it’s a simple license with a strong copyleft, which should be fine for Debian. Okay, thanks for your comment, I'll put it into main :) -- Regards, Hideki Yamane henrich @

Re: Is IPA Font license DFSG-Free?

2009-06-05 Thread Alexander Cherepanov
Hello, Dmitrijs! You wrote to debian-legal@lists.debian.org on Sun, 31 May 2009 18:58:04 +0100: 2009/5/31 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org: Le dimanche 31 mai 2009 ? 20:52 +0900, Hideki Yamane a ?crit : ÿI've ITPed IPAfont as otf-ipafont package. ÿYou can see its license at

Re: Is IPA Font license DFSG-Free?

2009-06-03 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message 1243789213.18376.224.ca...@tomoyo, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes Le dimanche 31 mai 2009 à 20:52 +0900, Hideki Yamane a écrit : I've ITPed IPAfont as otf-ipafont package. You can see its license at http://www.opensource.org/licenses/ipafont.html Please give me your

Is IPA Font license DFSG-Free?

2009-05-31 Thread Hideki Yamane
Hi, I've ITPed IPAfont as otf-ipafont package. Its license, IPA Font License is OSI approved, but it doesn't mean equal to DFSG-Free. So, I'd like to ask you it is DFSG-Free or not. It is TeX-like license and has some restriction for use its name for derivatives and how to deal

Re: Is IPA Font license DFSG-Free?

2009-05-31 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 31 mai 2009 à 20:52 +0900, Hideki Yamane a écrit : I've ITPed IPAfont as otf-ipafont package. You can see its license at http://www.opensource.org/licenses/ipafont.html Please give me your feedback (Please add CC to me). Thanks. The only things that looks suspicious are the

Re: Is IPA Font license DFSG-Free?

2009-05-31 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
2009/5/31 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org: Le dimanche 31 mai 2009 à 20:52 +0900, Hideki Yamane a écrit :  I've ITPed IPAfont as otf-ipafont package.  You can see its license at http://www.opensource.org/licenses/ipafont.html  Please give me your feedback (Please add CC to me). Thanks. The

Re: Liberation Font License revisited

2008-04-27 Thread Hendrik Weimer
alone. I fully agree with you that the Liberation Font license is sub-optimal, however I do not see a scenario where distribution of the fonts by Debian led to legal trouble or a violation of the DFSG. Can you think of such a situation? Hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Liberation Font License revisited

2008-04-27 Thread Francesco Poli
is backed by the actual GPLv2 text. I fully agree with you that the Liberation Font license is sub-optimal, however I do not see a scenario where distribution of the fonts by Debian led to legal trouble or a violation of the DFSG. Can you think of such a situation? *If* my analysis is correct

Liberation Font License revisited

2008-04-26 Thread Hendrik Weimer
Hello, I've spent some time on the Liberation font license mess [1], here are my results. Red Hat's Tom Callaway (who is responsible for dealing with such licensing issues) stated that according to the FSF the license was free but GPL-incompatible [2]. I contacted the FSF to further clarify

Re: Liberation Font License revisited

2008-04-26 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:18:15 +0200 Hendrik Weimer wrote: Hello, I've spent some time on the Liberation font license mess [1], Thanks for doing that! It is really appreciated. here are my results. Red Hat's Tom Callaway (who is responsible for dealing with such licensing issues) stated

Re: Liberation Font License revisited

2008-04-26 Thread Hendrik Weimer
Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think they are applying a double standard here: when the authors of a teTeX package add a restriction to the GNU GPL v2 [3], RMS says it can't be done because it's self-contradictory [4]; when Red Hat do the same, they are within their rights to do

Re: Liberation Font License revisited

2008-04-26 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:41:08 +0200 Hendrik Weimer wrote: Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Did you point RMS' message [4] out to the FSF when you contacted them? I did. And how did they explain the difference in their conclusions?!? This should make this license

Re: ttf-breip with SIL OPEN FONT LICENSE

2008-01-15 Thread Nicolas Spalinger
Paul Wise wrote: On Jan 15, 2008 1:17 PM, Mauro Lizaur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So should the ttf-breip font keep in main or should be moved to non-free? Sorry for my bad english, i hope you understand what i am asking here Gentium[1] and other SIL OFL licenced fonts have been accepted

Re: ttf-breip with SIL OPEN FONT LICENSE

2008-01-15 Thread Paul Wise
On Jan 15, 2008 7:13 PM, Nicolas Spalinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, Mauro, can you please make sure you also ship in your package the upstream font source and documentation available on http://stalefries.googlepages.com/fontsbreip I'd like to add that only the font source should be

ttf-breip with SIL OPEN FONT LICENSE

2008-01-14 Thread Mauro Lizaur
Hello There, I recently adopted and packaged the font ttf-breip which is already on the debian repositories on the main section. My sponsor was in doubt about the licence of the font (SIL), and double-checked if its dsfg-free or not with other DD's and some of them told her it was free and some

Re: ttf-breip with SIL OPEN FONT LICENSE

2008-01-14 Thread Paul Wise
On Jan 15, 2008 1:17 PM, Mauro Lizaur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So should the ttf-breip font keep in main or should be moved to non-free? Sorry for my bad english, i hope you understand what i am asking here Gentium[1] and other SIL OFL licenced fonts have been accepted into Debian main, so

Re: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Open Font License 1.1 Released

2007-03-05 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/12/msg00161.html and the reduction in mdgrams until now, for example. Or maybe the fact that in that period I changed my job, home and city. I apologize if I have not been able to spend more time answering your mails here (it

Re: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Open Font License 1.1 Released

2007-03-05 Thread MJ Ray
Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I apologize if I have not been able to spend more time answering your mails here (it is starting to get boring after a few years), I promise I will do better in the future. Please, don't bother unless you can post something justified, instead of baseless

Re: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Open Font License 1.1 Released

2007-03-04 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That says little itself: far more obviously DFSG-busting licences have snuck into debian in the past! Yes and at times some debian-legal contributors have been wrong or their analysis voted against. AFAIK the ftpmaster team still decides what goes in or not. Correct.

Re: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Open Font License 1.1 Released

2007-03-04 Thread MJ Ray
Nicolas Spalinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MJ Ray wrote: As explained repeatedly, users should not have to configure font substitution for every new font Mmm, What? The configuration of external font substitution systems like fontconfig are outside the scope of the license. See the

Re: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Open Font License 1.1 Released

2007-03-04 Thread MJ Ray
Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MJ Ray is a funny character with extreme opinions about what the DFSG means and most people do not take him seriously... Wow, what a lot of evidence supplied in that post(!) DFSG-revisionist Marco d'Itri posts much nonsense, from misattributed quotes, to

Re: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Open Font License 1.1 Released

2007-03-04 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 18:57:28 + (GMT) MJ Ray wrote: Nicolas Spalinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] [...] Ever wondered why we had so few free/open fonts until there was a good way to reach out to the font designer community with something which makes sense to them? Yes. I felt it

Re: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Open Font License 1.1 Released

2007-03-04 Thread Ben Finney
Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MJ Ray is a funny character with extreme opinions about what the DFSG means and most people do not take him seriously... Until you've got some data to back it, please don't make claims about what most people think of a particular person. -- \

Re: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Open Font License 1.1 Released

2007-03-04 Thread Christian Perrier
I agree: both GNU GPL v2 and Expat licenses could be used for fonts. We should *not* draft a new license for every community we want to reach, or otherwise the Free Software pool would get more and more balkanized... It would be interesting is Nicolas can (briefly) summarize in what OFL

Re: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Open Font License 1.1 Released

2007-03-01 Thread Nicolas Spalinger
MJ Ray wrote: Nicolas Spalinger wrote: Many other key reviewers [namedrops] explained that the name change requirement is a desirable feature for fonts and that so-called ready-to-eat derivatives are problematic. A branch is something different by definition and it should identify itself as

Re: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Open Font License 1.1 Released

2007-03-01 Thread Francesco Poli
cannot legally define breaking, fixing, and enhancing, as they mostly depend on the point of view!). [...] OK, license comments follow. --- SIL OPEN FONT LICENSE Version 1.1 - 26 February 2007

Re: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Open Font License 1.1 Released

2007-02-28 Thread Nicolas Spalinger
Christian Perrier wrote: [...] Quoting Nicolas Spalinger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Hi everyone, I think this will be of interest to the Debian maintainers on this list. The Open Font License 1.1 is now released. What do the debian-legal people think about it? I have not followed

Re: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Open Font License 1.1 Released

2007-02-28 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:37:18 +0100 Christian Perrier wrote: (please keep the crossposting. [...] Done. Quoting Nicolas Spalinger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Hi everyone, I think this will be of interest to the Debian maintainers on this list. The Open Font License 1.1 is now

Re: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Open Font License 1.1 Released

2007-02-28 Thread MJ Ray
Nicolas Spalinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many other key reviewers [namedrops] explained that the name change requirement is a desirable feature for fonts and that so-called ready-to-eat derivatives are problematic. A branch is something different by definition and it should identify itself

Re: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Open Font License 1.1 Released

2007-02-27 Thread Christian Perrier
just can't open the list right now) Quoting Nicolas Spalinger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Hi everyone, I think this will be of interest to the Debian maintainers on this list. The Open Font License 1.1 is now released. What do the debian-legal people think about it? I have not followed

Re: Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-21 Thread Jeff Carr
On 12/11/06 14:02, Nick Phillips wrote: On 12/12/2006, at 10:50 AM, Francesco Poli wrote: The clarification from MJ Ray regarding DFSG#4 made me think that each distinct copyright holder had a veto power on _one_ Font Name. At least I hoped it was so, since if each copyright holder can

Re: Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-21 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:43:57 -0500 Nathanael Nerode wrote: Gervase Markham wrote: Francesco Poli wrote: [...] This means that forbidding derived works to carry the same name as the original software is acceptable. I believe that forbidding an unlimited and arbitrary list of Reserved

Re: Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-20 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Gervase Markham wrote: Francesco Poli wrote: Hence, even if it's not a DFSG-freeness issue, I would suggest the license drafter(s) to drop such a useless restriction. It's been tried several times, and it's not happening. See the OFL list for a recent explanation of the rationale. If it's

Re: Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-20 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Terry Hancock wrote: Francesco Poli wrote: On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 11:21:05 + MJ Ray wrote: This means that forbidding derived works to carry the same name as the original software is acceptable. I believe that forbidding an unlimited and arbitrary list of Reserved Font Names goes beyond

Re: Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-18 Thread MJ Ray
Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In summary, can we conclude that works solely released under the terms of SIL OPEN FONT LICENSE Version 1.1-review2, are DFSG-free, *if* their Reserved Font Names are only names used in previous versions of the work? You two

Re: Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-16 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In summary, can we conclude that works solely released under the terms of SIL OPEN FONT LICENSE Version 1.1-review2, are DFSG-free, *if* their Reserved Font Names are only names used in previous versions of the work? You two obviously do, but I keep disagreeing from

Re: Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-15 Thread Gervase Markham
Francesco Poli wrote: The clarification from MJ Ray regarding DFSG#4 made me think that each distinct copyright holder had a veto power on _one_ Font Name. At least I hoped it was so, since if each copyright holder can reserve an arbitrary list of Font Names, the restriction can easily grow up

Re: Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-15 Thread Francesco Poli
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:38:07 + Gervase Markham wrote: Francesco Poli wrote: The clarification from MJ Ray regarding DFSG#4 made me think that each distinct copyright holder had a veto power on _one_ Font Name. At least I hoped it was so, since if each copyright holder can reserve an

Re: Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-13 Thread MJ Ray
Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forbidding reuse of a the name of the original software is OK, forbidding an arbitrary name is not. Don't you agree with me that this goes beyond what is allowed (again, as a compromise!) by DFSG#4 ? Please don't ask questions in the negative. I agree

Re: Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-13 Thread Francesco Poli
solely released under the terms of SIL OPEN FONT LICENSE Version 1.1-review2, are DFSG-free, *if* their Reserved Font Names are only names used in previous versions of the work? -- But it is also tradition that times *must* and always do change, my friend. -- from _Coming to America_

Re: Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-12 Thread MJ Ray
Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The clarification from MJ Ray regarding DFSG#4 made me think that each distinct copyright holder had a veto power on _one_ Font Name. At least I hoped it was so, since if each copyright holder can reserve an arbitrary list of Font Names, the restriction

Re: Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-12 Thread Francesco Poli
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:32:24 + (GMT) MJ Ray wrote: Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The clarification from MJ Ray regarding DFSG#4 made me think that each distinct copyright holder had a veto power on _one_ Font Name. At least I hoped it was so, since if each copyright holder

Re: Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-11 Thread Gervase Markham
Francesco Poli wrote: I probably missed where the license makes sure that Reserved Font Names can only become such by being names used in some ancestor version of the Font Software. Could you please elaborate and show the relevant clauses, so that my concerns go away? There is no such clause.

Re: Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-11 Thread Terry Hancock
Gervase Markham wrote: Francesco Poli wrote: I probably missed where the license makes sure that Reserved Font Names can only become such by being names used in some ancestor version of the Font Software. Could you please elaborate and show the relevant clauses, so that my concerns go away?

Re: Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-11 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:21:19 + Gervase Markham wrote: Francesco Poli wrote: I probably missed where the license makes sure that Reserved Font Names can only become such by being names used in some ancestor version of the Font Software. Could you please elaborate and show the

Re: Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-11 Thread Nick Phillips
On 12/12/2006, at 10:50 AM, Francesco Poli wrote: The clarification from MJ Ray regarding DFSG#4 made me think that each distinct copyright holder had a veto power on _one_ Font Name. At least I hoped it was so, since if each copyright holder can reserve an arbitrary list of Font Names, the

Re: Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-09 Thread Gervase Markham
Francesco Poli wrote: Hence, even if it's not a DFSG-freeness issue, I would suggest the license drafter(s) to drop such a useless restriction. It's been tried several times, and it's not happening. See the OFL list for a recent explanation of the rationale. If it's not a freeness issue,

Re: Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-09 Thread Francesco Poli
On Fri, 8 Dec 2006 10:11:11 + (GMT) MJ Ray wrote: Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Is this kind of /cumulative/ name-change requirement allowed by DFSG#4? We need copyright permission for each contributing work, so I can't see how we allow DFSG4 and not allow this. Ah,

Re: Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-09 Thread Francesco Poli
On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 08:02:55 +0800 Gervase Markham wrote: Francesco Poli wrote: [...] Actually, DFSG#4 states, in part: | The license may require derived works to carry a different name or | version number from the original software. This means that forbidding derived works to

Re: Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-09 Thread Terry Hancock
Gervase Markham wrote: But the names aren't required to be trademarked. That sentence is nonsense in legal terms: there is no such thing as trademarking a name. A name becomes a trademark when you use it as one. Putting it in a list of reserved font names is one way of doing that. I think you

Re: Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-08 Thread MJ Ray
Terry Hancock [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Just because it's fun to argue, though [...] I think it's extremely unfunny to have off-topic angels-on-pinhead debates looping away. If anything on-topic comes out of this subthread, please summarise it in a new subthread. Thanks, -- MJR/slef My Opinion

Re: Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-08 Thread MJ Ray
Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Eugene cannot use the name ChangedFont, because it's the name of the work he's modifying - neither can Eugene use the name MyFont, because it's the name of the work ChangedFont is based on - Eugene calls his font EnhancedFont *

Re: Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-07 Thread MJ Ray
Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SIL OPEN FONT LICENSE Version 1.1-review2 - 15 November 2006 [...] 1) Neither the Font Software nor any of its individual components, in Original or Modified Versions, may be sold by itself. This restriction does *not* fail the DFSG (because DFSG#1

Re: Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-07 Thread Francesco Poli
On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 11:36:18 + (GMT) MJ Ray wrote: Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SIL OPEN FONT LICENSE Version 1.1-review2 - 15 November 2006 [...] [...] 3) No Modified Version of the Font Software may use the Reserved Font Name(s) unless [...] I believe

Re: Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-07 Thread Terry Hancock
. This is why, for example, the GPL is a bad font license, because if read technically, it would force all documents written with it to be released under the GPL, too. When people do use the GPL for a font, they usually apply a similar additional exemption. Yes, the FSF has their font

Re: Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-07 Thread Andrew Donnellan
) file does not cause the license to bind the document. Yes. This is why, for example, the GPL is a bad font license, because if read technically, it would force all documents written with it to be released under the GPL, too. When people do use the GPL for a font, they usually apply a similar

Re: Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-07 Thread Terry Hancock
Andrew Donnellan wrote: Which means you can't combine an OFL font with a GPL font to make a new font (and not much else beyond that). True. The copyleft on the font doesn't bind the program for any use I can imagine. Not because of the document exemption, but because of this: can be

Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-06 Thread MJ Ray
Rights Reserved. This Font Software is licensed under the SIL Open Font License, Version 1.1. This license is copied below, and is also available with a FAQ at: http://scripts.sil.org/OFL --- SIL OPEN FONT LICENSE Version 1.1-review2 - 15

Re: Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-06 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 12/6/06, MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This Font Software is licensed under the SIL Open Font License, Version 1.1. This license is copied below, and is also available with a FAQ at: http://scripts.sil.org/OFL --- SIL OPEN FONT

Re: Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-06 Thread Francesco Poli
: [...] --- SIL OPEN FONT LICENSE Version 1.1-review2 - 15 November 2006 --- [...] 1) Neither the Font Software nor any of its individual components, in Original or Modified Versions, may be sold by itself. This restriction does *not* fail

Re: Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-06 Thread Terry Hancock
font license, because if read technically, it would force all documents written with it to be released under the GPL, too. When people do use the GPL for a font, they usually apply a similar additional exemption. For font users, I would argue that document is a well-known term. It means you can

Re: Open Font License 1.1review2 - comments?

2006-12-06 Thread Andrew Donnellan
is a bad font license, because if read technically, it would force all documents written with it to be released under the GPL, too. When people do use the GPL for a font, they usually apply a similar additional exemption. Yes, the FSF has their font exemption. For font users, I would argue

Re: Please review: The OFL (Open Font License)

2006-01-30 Thread Gervase Markham
Marco d'Itri wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Won't this forbid anyone (but the original copyright holder) to fix bugs or misfeatures in the font? Not if they choose a different name. For a font bug-for-bug compatibility may be very important to preserve correct rendering of docuements.

Re: Please review: The OFL (Open Font License)

2006-01-30 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 30, Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not if they choose a different name. For a font bug-for-bug compatibility may be very important to preserve correct rendering of docuements. You do, of course, mean preserve _incorrect_ rendering of documents ;-) Yes. -- ciao, Marco

Re: Please review: The OFL (Open Font License)

2006-01-30 Thread Frank Küster
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) wrote: On Jan 30, Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not if they choose a different name. For a font bug-for-bug compatibility may be very important to preserve correct rendering of docuements. You do, of course, mean preserve _incorrect_ rendering

Re: Please review: The OFL (Open Font License)

2006-01-29 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Won't this forbid anyone (but the original copyright holder) to fix bugs or misfeatures in the font? Not if they choose a different name. For a font bug-for-bug compatibility may be very important to preserve correct rendering of docuements. -- ciao, Marco -- To

Re: Please review: The OFL (Open Font License)

2006-01-28 Thread Nicolas Spalinger
[snip] On the matter of freeness of software licensed under the OFL: 3) No Modified Version of the Font Software may use the Reserved Font Name(s), in part or in whole, unless explicit written permission is granted by the Copyright Holder. This restriction applies to all references stored in

Re: Please review: The OFL (Open Font License)

2006-01-28 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 21:00:04 +0100 Nicolas Spalinger wrote: Users who install derivatives (Modified Versions) on their systems should not see any of the original names (Reserved Font Names) in their font menus, font properties dialogs, PostScript streams, documents that refer to a particular

Re: STIX Font License

2006-01-23 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't agree that this clause is DFSG-free. It says that the name of an augmented font cannot *include* the term STIX or *any similar* term. That is significantly broader than what is allowed by DFGS#4, which states (in part): Your understanding of the DFSG is well

STIX Font License

2006-01-22 Thread Don Armstrong
I was approached a while ago to make a few comments on the stix font license and its possible suitability for inclusion in Debian. Obviously since I'm not an ftpmaster the comments were only my own opinion, but just in case the issue comes up again I've attached my analysis to this message along

bitstream font license

2006-01-22 Thread olive
The lisence for the bitsream (package ttf-bitstream-* in main) font state among other: [...] The Font Software may be sold as part of a larger software package but no copy of one or more of the Font Software typefaces may be sold by itself. [...] (see the full license at

Re: bitstream font license

2006-01-22 Thread Måns Rullgård
olive [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The lisence for the bitsream (package ttf-bitstream-* in main) font state among other: [...] The Font Software may be sold as part of a larger software package but no copy of one or more of the Font Software typefaces may be sold by itself. [...] (see

Re: bitstream font license

2006-01-22 Thread olive
Måns Rullgård wrote: olive [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The lisence for the bitsream (package ttf-bitstream-* in main) font state among other: [...] The Font Software may be sold as part of a larger software package but no copy of one or more of the Font Software typefaces may be sold by

Re: bitstream font license

2006-01-22 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
olive wrote: Does the fact that the fonts cannot be sold separatly is compatible with the DFSG? The license of a Debian component may not restrict any party from selling [...] the software as a component of an AGGREGATE SOFTWARE DISTRIBUTION containing programs from several different sources.

Re: STIX Font License

2006-01-22 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Francesco Poli wrote: For instance, names such as STIX++, STIXng, newSTIX, STIXER, STICS, STHIX, and so forth, are banned by the above clause, but they are *different* from the original name, and thus comply with the maximum DFSG-allowed restriction on names. OTOH, were STIX a trademark

Re: STIX Font License

2006-01-22 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 02:47:16 -0800 Don Armstrong wrote: 4. If the Fonts are augmented pursuant to Section 3(b), the name used to denote the resulting fonts set shall not include the term ___STIX___ or any similar term, and any distribution or sale of the resulting

Re: bitstream font license

2006-01-22 Thread Joey Hess
olive wrote: The lisence for the bitsream (package ttf-bitstream-* in main) font state among other: [...] The Font Software may be sold as part of a larger software package but no copy of one or more of the Font Software typefaces may be sold by itself. [...] (see the full license at

Re: STIX Font License

2006-01-22 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006, Francesco Poli wrote: On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 02:47:16 -0800 Don Armstrong wrote: 4. If the Fonts are augmented pursuant to Section 3(b), the name used to denote the resulting fonts set shall not include the term ___STIX___ or any similar term, and any

Re: STIX Font License

2006-01-22 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:09:43 -0800 Don Armstrong wrote: My statement applies to section 5 which you elided, not section 4, which I didn't even bother to address (beyond the part which gets addressed in section 5.) Ah, sorry for the misunderstanding! I thought you were referring to both

Re: Please review: The OFL (Open Font License)

2005-12-19 Thread MJ Ray
Nicolas Spalinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] MJ Ray wrote: Nicolas Spalinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] All the details are available at: http://scripts.sil.org/OFL The page is not very accessible because [...] Sorry about that small design problem, we'll be fixing that bit of the ..css soon.

Re: Please review: The OFL (Open Font License)

2005-12-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Nicolas Spalinger wrote: Could you elaborate a bit on why you think the verbatim copy only is problematic? It renders the license text non-free. The classic use case is the following: If at some point new people at SIL want to make a revised version of the license, it will be technically

Re: Please review: The OFL (Open Font License)

2005-12-16 Thread Nicolas Spalinger
Nathanael Nerode wrote: Important side issue: No modification of the license is permitted, only verbatim copy is allowed. Don't do this. Marking license texts as verbatim copy only is a bad habit and I encourage people not to. You want something more like the following: The OFL license

Re: Please review: The OFL (Open Font License)

2005-12-16 Thread Nicolas Spalinger
MJ Ray wrote: Nicolas Spalinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] All the details are available at: http://scripts.sil.org/OFL The page is not very accessible because you set color without a background-color (set both or preferably neither, please) and you seem to be using 8pt body text (ow). It's

Re: Please review: The OFL (Open Font License)

2005-12-15 Thread Nicolas Spalinger
[snip] We've got font debs ready to go. Please use non-reserved font names, so that Debian is allowed to add missing glyphs to the fonts. Hi, I'm not sure I understand what you mean here. The idea behind using reserved font names is to avoid conflicting namespace between upstream and the

Re: Review needed: Gentium font re-released under the SIL Open Font License

2005-11-30 Thread Daniel Baumann
The SIL Open Font License[0], version 1.0 states: [PREAMBLE] The OFL allows the licensed fonts to be used, studied, modified and redistributed freely as long as they are not sold by themselves. [CONDITION1] 1) Neither the Font Software nor any of its individual components, in Standard

Re: Review needed: Gentium font re-released under the SIL Open Font License

2005-11-30 Thread Nicolas Spalinger
Dear All, The Gentium font (http://scripts.sil.org/gentium) has been re-released under the SIL Open Font License (http://scripts.sil.org/OFL). This is excellent news as there are few free/open-source fonts that cover the Latin, Cyrillic and Greek Unicode blocks, and special characters/symbols

Re: Review needed: Gentium font re-released under the SIL Open Font License

2005-11-30 Thread Daniel Baumann
Nicolas Spalinger wrote: (rms and other key members of the community including Jim Gettys from GNOME already told us OFL 1.0 was free) I seriously don't think[0] so. The mentioned violation of the DFSG also applies to the GNU Freedoms. Regards, Daniel [0]

Bug#341138: Info received (was Review needed: Gentium font re-released under the SIL Open Font License)

2005-11-30 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Thank you for the additional information you have supplied regarding this problem report. It has been forwarded to the package maintainer(s) and to other interested parties to accompany the original report. Your message has been sent to the package maintainer(s): Gürkan Sengün [EMAIL

Re: Review needed: Gentium font re-released under the SIL Open Font License

2005-11-30 Thread Nicolas Spalinger
(rms and other key members of the community including Jim Gettys from GNOME already told us OFL 1.0 was free) I seriously don't think[0] so. The mentioned violation of the DFSG also applies to the GNU Freedoms. Regards, Daniel [0] http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/11/msg00337.html

Re: Review needed: Gentium font re-released under the SIL Open Font License

2005-11-30 Thread Matthew Garrett
Daniel Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seriously don't think[0] so. The mentioned violation of the DFSG also applies to the GNU Freedoms. You think wrong. DFSG 1 does not require any piece of software to allow commercial sale as an independent component. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL

Re: Review needed: Gentium font re-released under the SIL Open Font License

2005-11-30 Thread Daniel Baumann
To make it short, as Matthew wrote: You think wrong. DFSG 1 does not require any piece of software to allow commercial sale as an independent component. is true, I agree. My problem of understanding is/was: a work that is licensed under OSF 1.0 is not free as an individual component because I

Re: Review needed: Gentium font re-released under the SIL Open Font License

2005-11-30 Thread Daniel Baumann
Daniel Baumann wrote: Intuitively, I've said that Debian can ship such 'partially'/'not truly'-free works. s/can/can't/ -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://people.panthera-systems.net/~daniel-baumann/

Re: Review needed: Gentium font re-released under the SIL Open ?Font License

2005-11-29 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The current Open Font License appears to have excessive restrictions upon the names of modified works. The Gentium font licence in particular reserves these terms: While this may be annoying, I can't see why it should not be DFSG-free. -- ciao, Marco

Review needed: Gentium font re-released under the SIL Open Font License

2005-11-28 Thread Simos Xenitellis
Dear All, The Gentium font (http://scripts.sil.org/gentium) has been re-released under the SIL Open Font License (http://scripts.sil.org/OFL). This is excellent news as there are few free/open-source fonts that cover the Latin, Cyrillic and Greek Unicode blocks, and special characters/symbols

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