Need more (legal) information

2014-03-25 Thread Thibaut Varène
tags 741221 moreinfo
thanks

Hi,

[CCing debian-legal as I'd very much like their input on the matter]
Initial thread: http://bugs.debian.org/741221

Meijiko wrote:

 This Kanjidic contain SKIP code, SKIP code License is CC-BY-NC-SA.
 This license is not permit commercial use. Its non-free. (Violate DFSG 6)
 
 Note: Kanjidic license is CC-BY-SA, but Kanjidic is contain SKIP code, SKIP 
 code license is CC-BY-NC-SA.


I'm not sure I can quite agree with your statement. See:

http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/kanjidic_doc.html#IREF08

The kanjidic documentation states (emphasis is mine):

 The following people have granted permission for material for which they hold 
 copyright to be included in the files, _and distributed under the above 
 conditions_, while retaining their copyright over that material:
 
 Jack HALPERN: The SKIP codes in the KANJIDIC file.

As I understand this, kanjidic and the SKIP codes it embeds are freely 
redistributable under the licensing terms of kanjidic.

That other licensing provisions for the SKIP codes may be made in other use 
cases (as detailed in Appendix F of the same document) seems quite irrelevant 
to me: you are questioning the DFSG-compliance of kanjidic (and by extension 
the package that includes it: tagainijisho) and as far as I can see, the whole 
content of the file `tagainijisho-[version number]/3rdparty/kanjidic2.xml', 
including the SKIP codes, are covered by the license stated at the top of the 
file: CC-BY-SA, which is DFSG-compliant.

Can someone from d-legal shed some insightful light on this?

Thanks,

T-Bone

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Re: Need more (legal) information

2014-03-25 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 12:06:53PM +0100, Thibaut Varène a écrit :
 
 The kanjidic documentation states (emphasis is mine):
 
  The following people have granted permission for material for which they
  hold copyright to be included in the files, _and distributed under the
  above conditions_, while retaining their copyright over that material:
  
  Jack HALPERN: The SKIP codes in the KANJIDIC file.
 
 As I understand this, kanjidic and the SKIP codes it embeds are freely
 redistributable under the licensing terms of kanjidic.
 
 That other licensing provisions for the SKIP codes may be made in other use
 cases (as detailed in Appendix F of the same document) seems quite irrelevant
 to me: you are questioning the DFSG-compliance of kanjidic (and by extension
 the package that includes it: tagainijisho) and as far as I can see, the
 whole content of the file `tagainijisho-[version
 number]/3rdparty/kanjidic2.xml', including the SKIP codes, are covered by the
 license stated at the top of the file: CC-BY-SA, which is DFSG-compliant.

Hi Thibaut,

looking at the link you sent, it seems that the “above conditions” are
“KANJIDIC can be freely used provided satisfactory acknowledgement is made, and
a number of other conditions are met”, which is quite vague.  In addition, just
below the part that you cited (“Jack HALPERN: The SKIP codes in the KANJIDIC
file.”), there is “With regard to the SKIP codes, Mr Halpern draws your
attention to the statement he has prepared on the matter, which is included at
Appendix F.”

To me, it appears that Appendix F, which has non-Free clauses, applies.

Have you tried to contact the authors of KANJIDIC ?

Have a nice day,

-- 
Charles Plessy
Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan


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