of physically performing source
distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding
source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above
on a medium customarily used for software interchange;
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. This is not nice, but it doesn't
violate GPL.
Image I had a computer with an error in the cpu, that it cracks down, when
I try to compile something. Then you are not allowed to distrubute GPLed
code to me, because I'm not able to modify source and compile it?
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paranoid lawyer wants to state
the obvious explicitly.
Is it about termination in other cases or was it about termination if they
want it to terminate?
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it further. (Wihtout me
forcing them to or making a licence you are only allowed to use, when
Would I have to give rights of the modified form to you?
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/licensing.html some parts
of kdenetwork are still licenced qpl. It may just need to recopy these
parts from an gpl'ed qt, but I do not know KDE or qt well enough.
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it clearer, so that there is no
need for an flame-war?
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Analog is non-free, as it violates No Discrimination Against
Persons or Groups. (As the group of persons breaking law is a group of
persons)
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sense. (Only if you used this software to do
so, but then the contract would be void).
So this paragraph is either not necessasary becaue of induced by law or it
is non-free. (But please: Not because of crime as field of endavour.
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. There
it is Any use
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in Germany. Would this mean, that one would
be allowed to change the not-open-source parts of it?
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it not only talk about
exporting but about giving to whomever not in the US, without looking on
where you are?
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are therefor a little
protected by law, but some warranties still remain.
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in advange,
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to be heared by
anyone intrested and is known to be archieved?B
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could somehow translated with criminal stupid or some massive
careless) and you have to warrent, even if it was a gift.
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that the USA signed some international contracts they
refused to do almost half an century.)
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use the GPL 2.0 or (on your opionio)
any later version or whatever the exact term is.
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warrenty clause is void.)
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the GPL.
Before somebody mentions it: I know the additional conditions have
nothing to do with copyright, but additional conditions are additional
conditions. And as long as they are required to fullfit the licence,
they are not allowed.
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[1
important part, that GPL-programs can use.
With having the free replacement licenced this strict, one only
archieves that the standard-library for encryption keeps beeing
OpenSSL, thus shooting GPLed software in the foot.
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still reasonable reject those we do not trust that much?
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(or the authors or some council or whatever) reserves the right
to bring it into an useable state for himself and to define
him self what state it should be, *is* insane.
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[1]: In the \includepackage-sense, not the dpkg-sense
opinion a licence is thatmuch better, the more usefull things it allows,
that where not thought about by the author)
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-get source -b pine should still work)
If you have several computers, place it somewhere only theese can get it
(see dpkg-scanpackages, if you want to install it per apt)
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take considerable longer than 5 mins if the line
is slow enough.
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be beneficial to free software in general.
Even if such a clause would be benefical (though I really doubt it,
as it has huge practical impacts, as many on this list noted),
this would still be no justification to remove such elementary freedom.
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is more important is
this area).
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?
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is set up.
So the question is who is the user in the sense of the basic freedoms?
Am I already a user of some system if I do a ping ip and get no
response? What if I do a ssh ip and get a prompt for a password?
Or if I start the sshd-daemon?
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occasionally.
And with any policeman using their photo-prcessing automatons[1] they place
in their shops to communicate secretly?
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. And putting two things together without looking
at the parts was ruled extreme lack of care, I heard. So as German one
is intrested to do the minimal qa, one would want everyone to do, before
distributing anything one created.
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.
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they make. (Things like You are not
allowed to use this software to commit crimes. And I guess such
requirements will not exist in any sane (i.e. not 'common')
jurisdisction. After all, why should people be forced to forbid things
already forbid by law?)
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* Mark Rafn [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030501 21:57]:
On Thu, 1 May 2003, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
I cannot see the problem here. Even if the quoted sub 2 can be
applied, it may only disallow you making something available to
the public (i.e. some forms of distributing it).
It says changed _OR_
it.
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[1] By real I mean it is useful for any people at all.
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such bubbling as as permitted by applicable law.
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of binaries is very unnatural.
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it could do so. Remember that
it does not differentiate between a person giving things away for free
and a programmer fired from a large corporation.
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makes it too easy to abuse
it for the wrong things or abolish it in the really important
aspects).
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the discussion
arised to often lately. Anwers please not to debian-legal but somewhere
else...
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that only a reply to the Catholic part was supposed to be off-list,
as this seems fairly on-topic.
on debian-legal? I suggest switching to debian-project or
debian-unneededflamewar...
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would insist
in Debian having control over the place it is exported to. But then
it would be just time-consuming change of nomenclature.
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...
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accounts in a computer lab would
count as distribution. (And remembering what I saw in some /bin/clear
scripts I doubt any jurisdiction will).
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this non-sense was introduced to get the USA sign some
international treaties about copyright protection).
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FDL in main want to distribute non-free stuff.
(And this even wrongly labeled and as part of Debian, in contrary
to those who want to support non-free stuff in general and
FDL-manuals in special to help our users until there are proper
replacements.)
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* Fedor Zuev [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030814 21:42]:
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
So while most jurisdictions may have different terms and some
may even state the term software in their laws (I guess most
will more likely take an more exact wording and only the
commentary refer
and distributing of the result, as one cannot find a common
licence term for the combination. But this is merely a thing about
incompatible licences, not about a licence in itself...
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jurisdictions
will tell the resulting work is under the original licence. (As you
have no licence for the patch, you may use it to generate your own
local version of the documentation, but who allows you to copy,
modify and distribute it?)
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is giving away free t-shirts, as there are people who
do not like clothes).
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.
Nothing in GPL fobids using of code under GPL in writing
proprietary software. All it forbids is mixing GPL-code in propietary
code (or otherwise incompatible code) and copying this.
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that broadly.
So you want to say one should limit its reading to
something unreasonable small, because one could also
read it unreadonable broad?
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it in some form was also a binding contract...
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1: and before anyone starts discussing about freeness: Do you have the
source and all perimissions to do with it what we require for the word
free in this context?
code to libc that the library and
the program are always executed on the other one of the processors.
MfG,
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they make it..)
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of the request-formular, the CD is burned, copied
the address field on an envelope and sends it out. Would I still be the
one copying in your understanding of the situation? what if the form
says: might be processed without human intervention?
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.
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of the sandwich
change)
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.
If noone ever made such a thing, and noone is willing to do so, then
I think the argument that it used that way is somehow weak.
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operation, but install it regulary, only because it is an very
easy method to test whether configuring sound worked).
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for free, because
the requested task is clearly impossible?
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. When you cannot do
it in the Desert Island test, it cannot be free.
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* Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] [040715 21:40]:
Really? Wow. That's insane.
As insane as it would to allow anyone to modify my hand-typed,
elaborated pieces of software without even paying me. That's not
freedom, that is stupidity.
/sarcasm
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of the context we are talking about, that noone is limited in his
freedoms by disallowing him artifically to use the software on his
computer.
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[1] here (and later in this text) not used in the sense of
use vs modify and distribute, but as general verb
or export restrictions on countries the initial
developer is in.
Consider something like a ssl-library was under this licence in the
times where those were more strictly handled and the initial developer
was outside the USA.
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it?
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without changing who if effectively allowed to use it and who not?
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[1] Just to name the obvious. We have a context here, which has
to be observed before trying to direct it into absurdity. This
context is free software, i.e. each program is accompanied by
its
,
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,
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, this situation sucks. I really wished it would vanish soon
by common usage of gnutls. I hope the change to LGPL was not too
late to finaly see some solution in the future.
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that this a justified
request. (i.e. something were people need it)
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.)
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implicitly says:
and full rights to every author for the part of the code he wrote.
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.
Nobody speaks against section 9 beeing part of the GPL. The any later
version is not part of the GPL.
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it available under
other licences by placing a or any later version to it)
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* Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] [040826 23:59]:
If Raul's interpretation of the GPL is correct
(the second alternative above), then [...]
Then 0 is 1 and black is white and humanity dies when
trying to pass a street.
Sorry, could not resist,
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when you
insert BSD or GPLv3 for [blub].
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it impossible
for him to allow others to use it. Anyone knows some reading if there is
any other possibility and if this possibilty is even applicaple to
software?
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from the
same author.
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bombs,
terrorists, criminals, US-goverment agents, abortion medics,
religious fundamentals, communists, lawyers, ...
/cynism
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a section
termination the licence if you breach any FSF copyright?)
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|to the Document are reproduced in all copies, and that you add no other
|conditions whatsoever to those of this License.
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[1] As this specific info page is not yet in a package, though I do not
doubt there will be some that have the same problem.
[2] Consider
]
partimage: partimage.1.gz
partimage-server: partimaged.8.gz partimagedusers.5.gz
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of physically performing source
distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding
source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above
on a medium customarily used for software interchange;
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answering you.
Ignorance is bliss, I guess.
Oh, all hail Micheal, the great martyr trying to open our eyes.
Better this way?
Sorry for writing, but I can only ignore a certain amount of
such posts,
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the jurisdiction choosen by the clause, what will happen?
Will simply the normal rules apply, or will both have to
travel to the remote place, will that even be able to
open an case?
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