Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 19:44:03 -0700 Marc Shapiro wrote: > On 9/16/20 5:55 PM, David Wright wrote: > > On Wed 16 Sep 2020 at 16:15:12 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote: > >> On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:52:15 -0400 > >> Greg Wooledge wrote: > >>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread Marc Shapiro
On 9/16/20 5:55 PM, David Wright wrote: On Wed 16 Sep 2020 at 16:15:12 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote: On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:52:15 -0400 Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: To make a long story short, after two or so weeks of research and

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 19:55:45 -0500 David Wright wrote: > On Wed 16 Sep 2020 at 16:15:12 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote: > > On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:52:15 -0400 > > Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > > To make a long story short,

Re: title bar can't show chinese

2020-09-16 Thread Long Wind
Thank Ben!  twm meets my needs. i've tried xfce for fedora, i'm not impressed. i think lxde is better than xfce.i can display chinese with English localeif i set locale to Chinese, English font become ugly

Re: Towards a custom personalized Debian installer

2020-09-16 Thread David
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 21:29, Richard Owlett wrote: > I want an executable installer resident on an ext4 formatted partition. > What reference am I missing? https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s04.en.html

Re: title bar can't show chinese

2020-09-16 Thread David Wright
On Thu 17 Sep 2020 at 01:01:14 (+), Long Wind wrote: > in stretch i delete TitleFont in system.twmrc and .twmrc at home > now it can show chinese title > > Thank David anyway! I don't know which fonts you had installed on stretch, nor what you have in buster. Assuming that "delete

Re: title bar can't show chinese

2020-09-16 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 17/09/2020 10:16, Long Wind wrote: firefox can show chinese page except in title bar(though in each tab's window, title is correctly shown) i use twm and below is option in /etc/X11/twm/system.twmrc TitleFont "-adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*" i delete line above, it doesn't

Re: title bar can't show chinese

2020-09-16 Thread riveravaldez
On 9/16/20, Long Wind wrote: > in stretch i delete TitleFont in system.twmrc and .twmrc at home > now it can show chinese title Maybe you want to inform twm developers so they can do something about this...? Best regards!

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread David Wright
On Wed 16 Sep 2020 at 16:15:12 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote: > On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:52:15 -0400 > Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > To make a long story short, after two or so weeks of research and > > > numerous failed trials, I

Re: title bar can't show chinese

2020-09-16 Thread Long Wind
in stretch i delete TitleFont in system.twmrc and .twmrc at home now it can show chinese title Thank David anyway!

Re: Why does Debian not include POSIX-specified commands like bc and ed by default?

2020-09-16 Thread David Wright
On Sat 12 Sep 2020 at 07:41:19 (-0500), Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2020 12 Sep 02:06 -0500, Lone Learner wrote: > > POSIX.1-2001 Utilities[1] and POSIX.1-2008 Utilities[2] both list the > > commands "bc" and "ed" to be part of POSIX. > > > > Yet, in a brand new Debian installation (version 10

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 22:22:17 +0300 Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > dbus, which is an xorg dependency, > > Not in buster: > > # apt policy dbus > dbus: > Installed: (none) > Candidate: 1.12.20-0+deb10u1 > Version table: >

Re: LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu

2020-09-16 Thread David Wright
On Wed 16 Sep 2020 at 03:54:57 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 09/15/2020 06:50 PM, David Wright wrote: > > On Tue 15 Sep 2020 at 21:23:20 (+0200), Fabrice BAUZAC-STEHLY wrote: > > > Brian writes: > > > > On Mon 14 Sep 2020 at 08:12:50 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > > > > > The Debian

Re: title bar can't show chinese

2020-09-16 Thread David Wright
On Wed 16 Sep 2020 at 22:16:22 (+), Long Wind wrote: > firefox can show chinese page except in title bar(though in each tab's > window, title is correctly shown) Firefox is responsible for everything inside the window, but the window manager decorates the window frame. > i use twm and

Re : Re: Zones d'agrandissement des fenêtres minuscules

2020-09-16 Thread k6dedijon
Bonjour à tous, Je suis quelque peu en retard pour la lecture de mes courriels. Toutefois, j'ai eu le même problème et n'ayant pas eu de réponse satisfaisante sur cette liste et de la part de l'équipe KDE, j'ai cherché et j'ai trouvé le fichier : /usr/share/themes/Breeze/gtk-3.20/gtk.css Dans

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:52:15 -0400 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > To make a long story short, after two or so weeks of research and > > numerous failed trials, I came to the conclusion that systemd has > > become too entrenched in the

Re: Securing local host of reverse SSH tunnel?

2020-09-16 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2020 16 Sep 12:08 -0500, Alex Mestiashvili wrote: > btw, there is package authprogs, doing exactly that and not only. It seems to only be in Bullseye right now. It's not in Buster nor Buster backports. As the target computer is a Freedombox, it is running Buster so I will have to see if I

Re: [caliu-info] gafamades pel dia de la llibertat del programari???

2020-09-16 Thread Narcis Garcia
__ I'm using this dedicated address because personal addresses aren't masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator should fix this against automated addresses collectors. El 16/9/20 a les 11:08, Alex Muntada ha escrit: > Hola rita, > >> Ara, m'he desanimat

Re: gafamades pel dia de la llibertat del programari???

2020-09-16 Thread Narcis Garcia
__ I'm using this dedicated address because personal addresses aren't masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator should fix this against automated addresses collectors. El 16/9/20 a les 11:34, Alex Muntada ha escrit: > Hola Narcis, > >> El programari lliure no

title bar can't show chinese

2020-09-16 Thread Long Wind
firefox can show chinese page except in title bar(though in each tab's window, title is correctly shown) i use twm and below is option in /etc/X11/twm/system.twmrc TitleFont "-adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*" i delete line above, it doesn't help both stretch and buster have

Re: Two questions about LUKS in a file container

2020-09-16 Thread David Wright
On Wed 16 Sep 2020 at 12:56:36 (-0700), David Christensen wrote: > On 2020-09-16 01:59, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Sb, 12 sep 20, 15:00:57, Bob Weber wrote: > > > > > > Warning: If you forget to open and mount the file encrypted.img to > > > $HOME/Private/ and you copy files to $HOME/Private/

Re: [FreeCad] CAO DAO 3D sous linux (mécanique & co)

2020-09-16 Thread Sébastien Dinot
Bernard Schoenacker a écrit : > comment arriver à prendre en main ce logiciel qui n'est pas assez > intuitif ? Je ne connais pas grand chose aux outils de CAO, mais j'ai assisté il y a quelques années à une présentation de FreeCAD par un concepteur de maisons en bois qui l'utilisait dans le cadre

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread Reco
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 03:41:41PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > Reco wrote: > > > To make a long story short, after two or so weeks of research and > > > numerous failed trials, I came to the conclusion that systemd has > > > become too entrenched in the dependency tree of Buster to successfully >

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread Dan Ritter
Reco wrote: > > To make a long story short, after two or so weeks of research and > > numerous failed trials, I came to the conclusion that systemd has > > become too entrenched in the dependency tree of Buster to successfully > > convert to systvinit. > > But it is possible. Just forget about

Re: Two questions about LUKS in a file container

2020-09-16 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-09-16 01:59, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 12 sep 20, 15:00:57, Bob Weber wrote: Warning: If you forget to open and mount the file encrypted.img to $HOME/Private/ and you copy files to $HOME/Private/ it will appear to work correctly but they will not be encrypted!  If you don't move the

Kan screensaver settings niet openen

2020-09-16 Thread Cecil Westerhof
Ik werk met Debian 10 en Xfce. Ik kan de xscreensaver settings niet aanpassen. Wanneer ik handmatig opstart: xscreensaver-demo Dan krijg ik als melding: (xscreensaver-demo:3604): libglade-WARNING **: 21:43:33.041: Could not load support for `gnome': libgnome.so: cannot open shared

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread Reco
Hi. On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > dbus, which is an xorg dependency, Not in buster: # apt policy dbus dbus: Installed: (none) Candidate: 1.12.20-0+deb10u1 Version table: 1.12.20-0+deb10u1 500 500 http://ftp.debian.org/debian

Re: [FreeCad] CAO DAO 3D sous linux (mécanique & co)

2020-09-16 Thread Cyrille Bollu
Est-ce-que tu as pris des cours de CAO? il y a des concepts de base à connaître sans quoi aucun logiciel de CAO n’est simple à utiliser. Je ne sais pas t’aider plus que ça malheureusement (j’ai eu la chance d’avoir une dizaine d’heure de cours de CAO durant mes études, c’est tout). Bien à

Re: web content "impact énergétique"

2020-09-16 Thread Francois Meyer
On 16/09/2020 19:08, Dethegeek wrote: Bonjour Il y a plus direct : https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/task-manager-tabs-or-extensions-are-slowing-firefox Le gestionnaire de tâches du navigateur t'aidera à isoler les onglets qui abusent. Le 16 septembre 2020 18:40:17 GMT+02:00, Francois

Re: [FreeCad] CAO DAO 3D sous linux (mécanique & co)

2020-09-16 Thread François-Marie BILLARD
Le 16/09/2020 à 20:14, Bernard Schoenacker a écrit : - Mail original - De: "Cyrille Bollu" À: "Bernard Schoenacker" Cc: "ML Debian User French" Envoyé: Mercredi 16 Septembre 2020 20:08:24 Objet: Re: [FreeCad] CAO DAO 3D sous linux (mécanique & co) Est-ce-que tu as pris des cours

Re: [FreeCad] CAO DAO 3D sous linux (mécanique & co)

2020-09-16 Thread Bernard Schoenacker
- Mail original - > De: "Cyrille Bollu" > À: "Bernard Schoenacker" > Cc: "ML Debian User French" > Envoyé: Mercredi 16 Septembre 2020 20:08:24 > Objet: Re: [FreeCad] CAO DAO 3D sous linux (mécanique & co) > > Est-ce-que tu as pris des cours de CAO? > > il y a des concepts de base

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > To make a long story short, after two or so weeks of research and > numerous failed trials, I came to the conclusion that systemd has > become too entrenched in the dependency tree of Buster to successfully > convert to systvinit.

[FreeCad] CAO DAO 3D sous linux (mécanique & co)

2020-09-16 Thread Bernard Schoenacker
bonjour, comment arriver à prendre en main ce logiciel qui n'est pas assez intuitif ? quelles sont les autres alternatives plus abordables au niveau prototypage ? merci pour votre aimable attention bien à vous Bernard

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 19:28:34 -0700 Marc Shapiro wrote: > I have a fresh install of Buster which is running MATE as the Desktop > Environment.  It has taken me until now to get it working, without > messing up my current Stretch install on the same machine.  The next > thing that I want to do

Re: [caliu-info] gafamades pel dia de la llibertat del programari???

2020-09-16 Thread Pedro
Hola, la gent de eXO està conforme de si oferim això, i ens poseu d'sponsors. però potser és molt just de temps i/o no engresca massa la idea? Salut, Pedro On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 7:36 AM miquel66 wrote: > Bon dia Aniol. > Doncs no hi havia pensat. Gràcies per comentar-ho. > A veure si tinc

Re: web content

2020-09-16 Thread Dethegeek
Bonjour Il y a plus direct : https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/task-manager-tabs-or-extensions-are-slowing-firefox Le gestionnaire de tâches du navigateur t'aidera à isoler les onglets qui abusent. Le 16 septembre 2020 18:40:17 GMT+02:00, Francois Meyer a écrit : >Bonjour à tous >

Re: Securing local host of reverse SSH tunnel?

2020-09-16 Thread Alex Mestiashvili
On 9/15/20 8:53 PM, Fabrice BAUZAC-STEHLY wrote: > Nate Bargmann writes: > >> I am going to be deploying a Debian system at a location where I am >> unsure if I can make any inbound connection into that system. I am >> going to set up an SSH tunnel from that system to a host in my LAN. >> What I

web content

2020-09-16 Thread Francois Meyer
Bonjour à tous Quelqu'un saurait-il comment faire le lien entre une ligne "web content" dans la sortie du programme top et un onglet dans firefox ? Je m'explique : top affiche les processus triés de sorte que ceux qui consomment le plus de cpu  sont en tête. certains de ces processus

Docker amb X

2020-09-16 Thread Leopold Palomo-Avellaneda
Bones, tinc uns mínims coneixements de docker per fer un cert funcionament. El que em passa és que voldria poder executar una aplicació gràfica en un docker i malgrat he mirat diversos tutorials no me'n surto. Per exemple, si executo: $ docker run --net=host --user $(id -u) --env

Re: LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu

2020-09-16 Thread Brian
On Wed 16 Sep 2020 at 08:23:50 -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wednesday, September 16, 2020 04:54:57 AM Richard Owlett wrote: > > Agreed. Where the menu says "Debian desktop environment" I would: > > 1. remove the check-box. A user now cannot install task-desktop alone. In other

Re: Amazon Workspaces Linux Client?

2020-09-16 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Anyone here have any experience with Amazon Workspaces' Linux client? > https://clients.amazonworkspaces.com/ It looks like it's for Ubuntu > 18.4. Will Debian Buster be close enough? > I hesitate to install a binary blob from Amazon without first checking > here. Not sure what you're worrying

Re: gafamades pel dia de la llibertat del programari???

2020-09-16 Thread Joan Albert Erraez
Bones! > Ni idea, heu mirat https://vikings.net ? Jo no l'he fet servir. Diuen > que fan servir programari lliure 100% i energia renovable, però no he > vist exactament quines ofertes de hosting fan. Potser ja no ho fan o > potser cal posar-s'hi en contacte per saber-ho. Té molt bona pinta Xavi,

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread Nito
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 19:28:34 -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote: > I have a fresh install of Buster which is running MATE as the Desktop > Environment.  […]   The next thing that I > want to do is replace systemd with sysvinit. > > Now I get a full screen of packages to be removed.  Most are

Re: LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu

2020-09-16 Thread Richard Owlett
On 09/16/2020 07:23 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, September 16, 2020 04:54:57 AM Richard Owlett wrote: Agreed. Where the menu says "Debian desktop environment" I would: 1. remove the check-box. 2. rephrase it as "Chose a Debian desktop environment". 3. add a default

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread Andrew Cater
Looking at the Wikipedia entry for Devuan - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devuan - it appears that the folks over there have had to modify precisely udisks2 and policykit. This is not a Devuan support list - but it looks as if stock Debian may not allow the switch once a full system is installed.

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread Reco
Hi. On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 07:28:34PM -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote: > So, my question is:  Can I replace systemd with sysvint and still keep MATE? Exibit 1 (mate-core and systemd-sysv are installed): # apt install sysvinit-core systemd- ... The following packages will be REMOVED: caja

Re: LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu

2020-09-16 Thread rhkramer
On Wednesday, September 16, 2020 04:54:57 AM Richard Owlett wrote: > Agreed. Where the menu says "Debian desktop environment" I would: > 1. remove the check-box. > 2. rephrase it as "Chose a Debian desktop environment". > 3. add a default check by GNOME. +1 -- that seems much clearer

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 15 sep 20, 19:28:34, Marc Shapiro wrote: > > I ran 'aptitude install sysvinit-core'.  This resulted in about 2 dozen > packages to be removed (some of which, I would have removed anyway) and a > similar number with unmet dependencies (mostly recommends).  I can live with > that and work

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 07:28:34PM -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote: > I want sysvinit, not systemd Should be easy. > I ran 'aptitude install sysvinit-core'. > This gives me another screen full of text [...] > Now I get a full screen of packages to be removed. [...] I think the basic problem here is

Towards a custom personalized Debian installer

2020-09-16 Thread Richard Owlett
The default of copying an ISO file to a device is inconvenient for my peculiar goals. I want an executable installer resident on an ext4 formatted partition. It must be possible. A testable installer preceded ISO format. I'm working thru https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03, in

Re: gafamades pel dia de la llibertat del programari???

2020-09-16 Thread Narcis Garcia
El programari lliure no és només el nom: És un concepte relacionat amb la llibertat. La llibertat implica respecte, responsabilitat. Així doncs, jo crec que la exclusió ha d'anar cap a tots els proveïdors que no respecten la llibertat (incloent dret a la privacitat) dels i les usuàries. Per posar

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread songbird
Marc Shapiro wrote: ... > If it is possible to do what I want, what is the easiest way to > accomplish it? i haven't tried that as i'm ok with what i have going but i'll be interested in what you find out. can you clone your current partition and then try it out and if it doesn't work then

Re: DEBIAN SOURCE DVD

2020-09-16 Thread Gökşin Akdeniz
Merhaba, Söz konusu debian-10.5.0-source-DVD*.iso dosyaları söz konusu Debian sürümüne ait kaynak kodları barındırıyor. Bunları kullanmak için kaynak listenizde deb-src -debian sources- satırlarının olması ve bu dosyaların DVD yazılarak veya disk üzerindeki bir alandan okutularak tanıtılmış

Re: gafamades pel dia de la llibertat del programari???

2020-09-16 Thread Xavi Drudis Ferran
El Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 11:34:17AM +0200, Alex Muntada deia: > > Jo utilitzo serveis de dades (correu i DNS principalment) amb > proveïdors força diversos i no puc dir que cap d'ells utilitzi > exclusivament programari lliure. De fet, si volgués triar-ne un > que compleixi aquest requisit no

DEBIAN SOURCE DVD

2020-09-16 Thread Serdar GUNGOR
Selamlar Index of /debian-cd/current/source/iso-dvd klasörü altında 14 adet aşağıdaki şekilde ISO DVD ler gördüm. Bunlar nasıl kullanılır? Bu konu hakkında bir yol gösterirseniz sevinirim. (Benim için önemli). Şimdiden teşekkür ederim. Serdar GÜNGÖR debian-10.5.0-source-DVD-1.iso

Re: gafamades pel dia de la llibertat del programari???

2020-09-16 Thread Alex Muntada
Hola Narcis, > El programari lliure no és només el nom: És un concepte > relacionat amb la llibertat. La llibertat implica respecte, > responsabilitat. Així doncs, jo crec que la exclusió ha d'anar > cap a tots els proveïdors que no respecten la llibertat > (incloent dret a la privacitat) dels i

Re: [caliu-info] gafamades pel dia de la llibertat del programari???

2020-09-16 Thread Alex Muntada
Hola rita, > Ara, m'he desanimat molt... El meu balanç del debat és positiu: has posat un tema damunt la taula que ens ha fet rumiar, han sorgit força propostes de serveis alternatius i els organitzadors han respost que ho tindran en consideració per a futurs esdeveniments. Per altra banda,

Re: Two questions about LUKS in a file container

2020-09-16 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 12 sep 20, 15:00:57, Bob Weber wrote: > > Warning: If you forget to open and mount the file encrypted.img to > $HOME/Private/ and you copy files to $HOME/Private/ it will appear to work > correctly but they will not be encrypted!  If you don't move the files out > of $HOME/Private/ before

Re: reparer systeme de fichiers NTFS

2020-09-16 Thread Haricophile
Le Tue, 15 Sep 2020 12:56:27 +0200, Rom1 a écrit : > Salut, > > Je n'ai pas jamais encore eu de problème sur du NTFS mais en faisant > une recherche sur le net je trouve: > > https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/how-to-check-ntfs-file-system-in-linux-729250/ > > En lisant

Re: LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu

2020-09-16 Thread Richard Owlett
On 09/15/2020 06:50 PM, David Wright wrote: On Tue 15 Sep 2020 at 21:23:20 (+0200), Fabrice BAUZAC-STEHLY wrote: Brian writes: On Mon 14 Sep 2020 at 08:12:50 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: The Debian desktop environment installs task-desktop. This package recommends desktop task packages.

Re: LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu

2020-09-16 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 15 sep 20, 18:50:57, David Wright wrote: > On Tue 15 Sep 2020 at 21:23:20 (+0200), Fabrice BAUZAC-STEHLY wrote: > > > > Do you think the behaviour "without Recommends" should be an option > > presented to the user? > > No. On the basis of little evidence, I think naive users need software

Re: Can't activate my account

2020-09-16 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, lars.fran...@telia.com wrote: > I was trying to register on the user forum. If we continue to discuss this, please Cc debian-user@lists.debian.org because there might be others who know more than i do. Hopping around in forums.debian.net i got to "HOWTO contact forum admins"

Re: Amazon Workspaces Linux Client?

2020-09-16 Thread Georgi Naplatanov
On 9/16/20 6:33 AM, Charles Curley wrote: > Anyone here have any experience with Amazon Workspaces' Linux client? > https://clients.amazonworkspaces.com/ It looks like it's for Ubuntu > 18.4. Will Debian Buster be close enough? > > I hesitate to install a binary blob from Amazon without first