hich is what most people would
try to ping to check localhost, and what appeared in /etc/hosts. There
is some subtle reason, which I used to know but have now long forgotten,
why Debian started using 127.0.1.1 in /etc/hosts instead. As far as I'm
aware, any 127. address will resolve to localhost.
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On Mon, 01 Apr 2024 13:50:22 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
> Joe writes:
> > I think this was amply demonstrated by Heartbleed, where the
> > offending code was examined by *one* other pair of eyes, before
> > approval was granted for inclusion in OpenSSL.
>
> The &q
r pair of eyes, before approval was
granted for inclusion in OpenSSL.
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mised. I'm not sure what can be done about that: maybe make some
kind of, you know, law, about storing sensitive data, and prosecuting
people who are responsible for failure to keep it secure... nothing
like accountability for discouraging negligence.
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course, come from connections you have
invited into your computer, malicious email and web pages. All you can
do to mitigate those threats is to be sensible and careful.
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hi,
I'm using debiain on a rock64 for astrophotography and noticed all the indi
packages except indi-eqmod are from 2022.
I was hoping for some updates to the drivers and some new drivers added like
the svbony drivers and zwo am5 driver.
How does one go about moving this forward?
Astro Berry is
ymore. Thank you so much
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
You've had a couple of suggestions. Did neither of them work?
Have you found anything in the logs at the time of the attempted
wake-up?
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Joe Pfeiffer writes:
> I have a laptop with a recent Debian install, which seems to have
> incorrect permissions on /dev/tty
>
> crw--w 1 root tty 5, 0 Feb 16 08:51 /dev/tty
Ah, found it. I somehow had a
/etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants/getty@tty.service
file.
Foun
I have a laptop with a recent Debian install, which seems to have
incorrect permissions on /dev/tty
crw--w 1 root tty 5, 0 Feb 16 08:51 /dev/tty
/lib/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules contains the usual
SUBSYSTEM=="tty", KERNEL=="tty", GROUP="tty", MODE="0666"
More strangely, udevadm info
Lee writes:
> I bought a Dell desktop in 2019 and the keyboard just died :(
>
> ssh in from another machine & do a 'sudo reboot now' and get an alert
> about 'Keyboard not found.' on power up. The keyboard also doesn't
> work in another machine so it's really & truly dead.
>
> I figure there's
in a
distressing list of dependencies.
Let us know more about what desktop environment you use, and we can
probably give better advice. Unfortunately, while reinstalling can fix
many problems fairly easily, it does bring with it the need to rebuild
the configurations of many things.
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On Wed, 20 Dec 2023 17:14:05 +0100
Marco Moock wrote:
> Am 20.12.2023 um 15:58:48 Uhr schrieb Joe:
>
> > For many years my SMTP server has requested an ident (TCP port 113)
> > from outside sending servers. Since nobody now runs ident servers,
> > there will be no re
y
score never gets anywhere near unsubscription.
I was once kicked off because my phone line died for several days. I'm
not sure a temporary server failure is a good reason for unsubscribing
someone.
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Charles Curley writes:
> Does anybody read signatures any more?
I certainly don't.
"Stephen P. Molnar" writes:
> I am running Bookworm on my Debian computer. When I installed the OS I
> selected the option for separate /var etc, and selected the default
> sizes of the partitions.
>
> When I ran sudo apt update this morning I received the error message:
>
> E: You don't have
On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 19:31:28 +0100
Arno Lehmann wrote:
> Hi Joe,
>
> On 14.12.23 at 19:01, Joe wrote:
> > On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 13:41:04 +0200
> > y...@vienna.at wrote:
> >
> >> I no longer try to make the lifecd.img of debianworking perfect
> >>
I have a Pi bookworm
(armhf) on 6.1.63-1, with 6.1.58-1 also installed. I can probably roll
back to 6.1.54-1 if necessary.
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eing a login prompt. Almost always, that means
your X session is not starting.
Something you could try first is to look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log as
there may be a clue there to the problem.
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On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 17:12:56 +0100
Marco Moock wrote:
> Am 01.12.2023 um 15:55:41 Uhr schrieb Joe:
>
> > I received a message timed 22:52 on 28th, the last that day, the
> > next three were on 29th at
> > 08:39
> > 13:14
> > 15:55
> > then normal flo
st use the up-arrow and it remembers
the efibootmgr command I used last time.
I haven't looked for a while, if it's possible to set NextBoot from
normal Windows it would be worth doing.
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Serif software was buggy until I tried
Microchip stuff.
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to grub.
I try not to use Windows, one reason being that the BIOS resets
DefaultBoot to the Windows drive and I then need a rescue OS to get back
to grub.
So a running operating system can configure a UEFI BIOS (or whatever
it's called) and some BIOSes are broken and will override a user
configuration.
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me VPN solved the problem. And no,
I hadn't intended doing anything confidential on either occasion or I
would have used the VPN to begin with.
Doing anything confidential on a public wifi system absolutely
requires the use of a VPN, and my phone also has the VPN client
installed.
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iciples.
>
> With an ethernet cable, this is easy (using a crossover ethernet
> cable), but how do this with wireless? Is this technically possible
> at all???
>
>
Have a look at this: (your wifi adaptor must be capable of access point
mode, or you need to buy a dongle that is).
https://owlhowto.com/how-to-create-a-wifi-hotspot-on-debian-12/
Note: I've never done this.
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more than
one computer. As it happens, I needed to do that about a month ago.
Plenty of people with well-defined computing needs do just have a
laptop and no desktop machine. I know several. But people using this
mailing list/newsgroup tend to have more varied needs, and may not be
the best people to ask about this.
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ead. It will get fixed.
> >
> > secondly, will I be missing the basic features such as Filters?
No, I'm using quite a lot of filters on two Usenet groups in mine.
Claws cannot compose HTML emails, which may be a showstopper for you.
It can display HTML, though I always use plain text. If I really need
to see HTML, such as when an unsubscribe link is buried in 100K of
useless markup, I use a webmail client. I hate webmail.
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ws. Having said that, TB has
connection parameters built in for the big, well-known email providers
such as Gmail and MS.
Something that is sometimes difficult in these encrypted days is
getting the right combination of ports and password protocols. The old
unencrypted connection to port 110 for POP3 probably doesn't work
anywhere now.
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ng
behind on that machine. Whatever you do, it's always a good idea to
copy the database to somewhere fairly safe whenever you update it.
Or there are other rescue-type distributions which have keepasxc, such
as Parted Magic. Knoppix has keepassx, but I'm not sure about file
compatibility with that fork.
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correctly manages the dirty little
details like DNS, routing and DHCP serving. I don't manage ssh with it,
because stuff done over ssh is command-line so I may as well initiate
the link that way as well. NM adds nothing to ssh.
Of course, NM has never been anywhere near my server, which doesn't
have a GUI. Horses for courses...
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order to have a better choice than we
can see now, and whether it's worth doing that when we don't even know
that there is a better choice possible.
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Joe
On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 17:25:09 -0400
wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 21:53:36 +0100
> Joe wrote:
>
>
> > I use the Third Option, the deskbar, which gives vertical panels at
> > the side and as far as I can see, no spaces between anything, unless
> > you actually plac
On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 14:58:48 -0400
wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 17:20:01 +0100
> Joe wrote:
>
> > Is this a matter of principle for the OP, or does the panel
> > interfere with something else? I have three panels, and for me they
> > are the main point of running a D
logue clock and nothing else (because I want it
wider than the other two panels), and if the OP just wants to get rid of
the program launchers and other widgets in the usual panel(s), this
could be done to satisfy the 'at least one panel' requirement. Or a CPU
monitor or something else useful if the clock isn't wanted. And it can
be set to auto-hide so you don't even see it unless you deliberately
tickle it.
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sing, the calibre from apt
> may be more than good enough. The version on Debian 12 (Buster?
> Bullseye? I cannot remember) is quite recent.
>
No. Trixie (testing) and sid (unstable) have an mtp-compatible version
of Calibre, nothing earlier does.
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ttps://calibre-ebook.com/download_linux
The author recommends using this download instead of a repository
version anyway, "as those are often buggy/outdated."
Calibre converts/creates ebooks and is generally a useful accessory for
a Kindle or other hardware reader. No, I'm not on commission.
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Gtk > MenuBarAccel
> > Double-click on the row of "MenuBarAccel" to edit this property
> > In the "Edit Property" dialog, delete the value F10 (leave it
> > blank) and click Save.
>
> Mine still shows F10. I don't believe I've ever touched it.
>
I've got it on sid. I've reported it as bug 1050734.
The other mc workaround is 10 on the menu bar at the bottom.
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udoers. As far as I'm aware, the only other application
asking for the root password is gparted, though there may be other
system applications that do.
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d, which still ought to be very close to
testing at the moment.
--
Joe
On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 10:09:11 +0200
Luna Jernberg wrote:
> It can be good to have a non root user to do regular tasks, that does
> not be root to not use extra privileges when its not needed
Especially with a server, where you don't want the root user logging
in remotely over ssh.
>
>
mon and exim4/mainlog. I'm sure there is a way to do this with
systemd, but it's something else to learn, a bit more running just to
stay still.
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ip/7608/python-executable-standalone-application/
Many, many, many people have asked what you have asked. There are
probably more suggestions than these which came near the top of my
quick search. I can't comment on them as I don't do Python myself apart
from an occasional dabble with a Raspberry Pi (Pi for Python) or
Arduino.script.
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Joe
ilar environment, that's an
> entirely different line of questioning.
>
> I'm guessing that's NOT the goal here, because the OP mentioned WiFi.
> This leaves me somewhat perplexed.
>
Old laptop?
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On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 21:52:01 +0200
zithro wrote:
>
> Joe, out of curiosity, what are you using to display the graphs ?
> If you didn't read above, I'm using jpgraph, a PHP lib.
>
Basic stuff, Imagick which is a PHP binding to some ImageMagick
functions.
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h cheaper. On the other
hand, you need to add your own validation to make sure you're not
trying to interpret nearby doorbell rings and weather stations. The
XBees have serial numbering and other features built in, in fact you
need the manufacturer's application (Windows only, of course) to
configure them.
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uld you maybe consider telling us what the problem is?
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ar your camp is since the metric system is
> > partly implemented and partly co-exists
>
> British Standard Pipe still in use for plumbing and 1/4", 3/8" of
> specification I forget for camera mounts.
>
Either Whitworth or UNC will work. Only the thread angle is different,
by five degrees, so they are in practice interchangeable.
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> you?
>
> I regularly have to figure out which of Buster/Bookworm/Bullseye/...
> is stable/testing/oldstable, and I must admit that I tend to forget
> and end up having to look it up.
>
>
>
Three Bs in a row didn't help.
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Joe
On Sat, 17 Jun 2023 11:57:57 +0100
Joe wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 18:41:08 -0400
> Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 06:35:48PM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> > > 0 upgraded, 164 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> > >
as mc can also help with discipline: doing
something in mc? Then be damn careful, because you're probably root. I
hardly ever use mc unprivileged, I have GUI file managers for non-root
work.
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ve policykit does not allow the use of Synaptic with
sudo, only with the root password.
I'm on Xfce4 on sid. Loads of Wayland lib stuff, definitely no Wayland
graphics.
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> last of CD-R as a Debian install medium. Wait, there is still the mini
> iso. Ha, CD-R will live on. :)
>
> > Have a nice day :)
>
> I appreciate the detailed reply very much. Thank you for taking the
> time. You have a nice day too.
>
Just a thought: Knoppix has never considered 700MB much of a limit.
"Because of its transparent decompression, up to 2 gigabyes of
executable software can be present on a CD, and up to 10GB on a
single-layered DVD."
https://www.knopper.net/knoppix-info/index-en.html
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t found an answer by morning.
This is when, as I replied to Greg, I'd use synaptic to pick off as
many easy upgrades as possible, until I got to the point where nothing
else would go, and I'd have to wait for other upgraded packages to
become available.
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her apt-get nor aptitude could deal with. It was a matter of
upgrading a few at a time, and in a particular order, and I'd have
spent all day trying to do that with the other apt tools.
And no, I don't like to postpone upgrading sid for too long,
particularly at this stage in the lifecycle.
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On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 16:32:51 +0200
Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2023-06-12 18:00:58 +0100, Joe wrote:
> > Yes. I run a fairly customised exim4, and during one upgrade, I
> > think either to or from etch, I kept my configuration, and it broke
> > the exim4 installation. Exim4
r from etch, I kept my configuration, and it broke the exim4
installation. Exim4 was unconfigured, so it wouldn't run, but
dpkg-reconfigure couldn't work either. Even a purge wouldn't enable
reinstallation, and I had to resort to manually deleting files.
I've had more and more trouble with each version, so this time I'll be
fresh installing. I suppose it's less trouble with a workstation.
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eis.
$ whereis hardinfo
hardinfo: /usr/bin/hardinfo /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hardinfo
/usr/share/hardinfo /usr/share/man/man1/hardinfo.1.gz
The /usr/bin/.. or /usr/sbin/.. is the one you want, enter this into
alacarte in your chosen category e.g. system.
If you want an icon for it, you'll need to find a suitable one and use
alacarte to select it.
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have time to mess around with it. I can't find an example of doing
> >it correctly on the Net, which is surprising, all the references I
> >find are just for /etc/default/grub. Maybe someone here knows the
> >right way?
> >
> > --
> > Joe
>
> $ cat /etc/def
it publish message digest without message
>
I don't think so. I've just downloaded it here
https://github.com/ventoy/Ventoy/releases/tag/v1.0.91
without being asked for any information. The author *asks* for
contributions, like many do, but there's no compulsion.
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On Wed, 17 May 2023 12:18:17 +0200
Christoph Brinkhaus wrote:
> Am Tue, May 16, 2023 at 07:26:41PM +0100 schrieb Joe:
>
> Hello Joe,
>
> > On Tue, 16 May 2023 12:29:02 +0200
> > Christoph Brinkhaus wrote:
> >
> > > Am Tue, May 16, 2023 at 11:02:50A
On Wed, 17 May 2023 10:07:42 +0100
Joe wrote:
> >
> > If you are able to get a terminal running under your
> > crippled X11 [1], then it'd be interesting to compare
> > the output of "xinput --list --long" between a working
> > and a non-working co
On Wed, 17 May 2023 06:35:54 +0200
wrote:
> On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 08:07:51PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> > On Tue, 16 May 2023 13:43:26 -0500
> > Kent West wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Just for kicks, unplug the keyboard and see if the mouse star
On Tue, 16 May 2023 12:29:02 +0200
Christoph Brinkhaus wrote:
> Am Tue, May 16, 2023 at 11:02:50AM +0100 schrieb Joe:
>
> Hello Joe,
>
> [...deleted a lot...]
> > On Tue, 16 May 2023 10:44:03 +0100
> > Joe wrote:
> >
> > > > One idea is to try
On Tue, 16 May 2023 10:44:03 +0100
Joe wrote:
> On Mon, 15 May 2023 22:18:12 +0200
> Christoph Brinkhaus wrote:
>
> > Am Mon, May 15, 2023 at 08:57:38PM +0100 schrieb Joe:
> >
> > Hello Joe,
> >
> > > On Mon, 15 May 2023 19:35
On Mon, 15 May 2023 22:18:12 +0200
Christoph Brinkhaus wrote:
> Am Mon, May 15, 2023 at 08:57:38PM +0100 schrieb Joe:
>
> Hello Joe,
>
> > On Mon, 15 May 2023 19:35:23 +
> > "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, May 15, 2023 at
On Mon, 15 May 2023 22:18:12 +0200
Christoph Brinkhaus wrote:
> Am Mon, May 15, 2023 at 08:57:38PM +0100 schrieb Joe:
>
> Hello Joe,
>
> > On Mon, 15 May 2023 19:35:23 +
> > "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, May 15, 2023 at
tings, Session and Startup in
the main menu allow applications to be started on login.
But this is the simple answer, and it may be that the OP is more
concerned with learning system autostart procedures, in which case a
GUI application like Mousepad isn't the right one to play with. Running
something like an iptables script without using iptables-persistent
might be a better choice.
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/coreutils/blob/master/NEWS#L233
>
> If I recall correctly, it had something to do with the way
> copy_file_range worked. (Or maybe, it did not work as expected).
>
First thing to try is to boot back into Windows and see if there is a
message about the drive. If so, let Windows 'fix' it. I've had cases
where the drive was not cleanly unmounted and Linux has mounted it
read-only. Windows was able to repair it, whatever the problem was.
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ore information about sudo, allowing much more flexibility than
using the sudo group:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/sudo
The Arch Linux site is generally very useful for Debian users.
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ual GUI ctrl-C. Oh yes, you stop the tail command by using
ctrl-C first.
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m/questions/1199006/how-to-let-polkit-request-root-password-instead-users-password
>
> And possibly
> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1246661/defaults-rootpw-for-the-gui-password-prompt
>
> Jeff
>
On Debian, it is my experience that a default installation of Synaptic
always requires the root password. It is invoked by synaptic-pkexec.
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ELO/EHLO to
match the PTR. My email server checks for a complementary PTR-A pair
that can both be found in public DNS, and goes no further. I believe
that is a typical setting.
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Joe
o knows.
>
I've just asked about this but forgot to mention that I use apt, I'll
only use apt-get if a version upgrade recommends it. As I said, I have a
fairly well-used archives directory. I do recall, when apt became a
thing, reading what you posted there about apt removing the debs. There
must be a configuration which prevents that.
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, which I do occasionally, recently removed about 5G of
packages (obviously too occasionally). There's still quite a bit there
as it was only autoclean and I prefer to keep downloads around for a
while, as this is unstable.
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ger and more complicated than the last.
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Joe
bly short of drive space, then it is
usually best to leave things installed until you have a definite reason
to remove them, as I did. If it ain't broke
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to the point where you can select a
root drive and chroot into it, all the mounting details handled for you.
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eally is impossible to recover if the key is lost. My laptop isn't
encrypted, but all significant data is stored in a VeraCrypt volume. I
don't care if the machine is booted by a thief, because I'll never see
it again, and I have backup copies of the data.
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Joe
years, I think ISPs frown on it) but it does keep the logs clean, no
small advantage.
--
Joe
On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 21:16:31 +
debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote:
> > Hello group. Hello Joe.
> > Thank you for your Email.
> >
> > Sorry, I did bad asking.
> > So I split the question.
> >
> > 1
> > How can I repair USB stick which is readabl
What worked for me was running alsamixer from the terminal and unmuteing the
main control and turning the volume all the way up. rebooted then tested with
pavucontrol..
Hope this helps
> On Dec 23, 2022, at 5:42 AM, lou wrote:
>
> Christoph, your "pactl list" command didn't work because i
ped.
It has bugs, and is no use if you use testing, as it has (temporarily, I
hope) been removed from there. So I'm not using testing until it comes
back.
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ble provides, we may be out of luck. I've tried
installing testing from scratch recently, claws-mail is missing
completely, and there are library problems.
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sn't work properly is probably broken beyond repair.
--
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Hello,
I don't know if this is the wrong form but I'm using dwm and trying to add the
centermaster patch but I get errors
---
- joe@debian:~/dwm$ sudo make install clean
- dwm build options:
- CFLAGS = -std=c99 -pedantic -Wall -Wno-deprecated-declarations -Os
-I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr
y
when looking through a quote so it looks more professional. IF you don't reply
i understand this is 19 year old thread lol. but if you do please let me know
Thanks
Joe B
al drive.
Here are a couple of explanations of LVM snaphots, which is somewhat
similar to how the Shadow Copy function of Windows works:
https://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/LVM_Snapshots_Information
https://documentation.suse.com/sles/12-SP4/html/SLES-all/cha-lvm-snapshots.html
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h possibly only RX and
ground on an adaptor. On the other hand, serial mice were around when
PCs ran at a fraction of the speed of today's and might have provision
for handshaking.
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and hard work and would
love to see the boxed distros in my area. Thank you guys kindly. I left my
address / email / and phone if you decide to email me or call me. I would
love to have a boxed distribution of all great Debian releases.
You guys are awesome
Sincerely,
Joe Roberts II
Address
Further follow-up: the problem appears to be that something else has
already put mount.fuse3 in the initramfs. Replacing the failing line
with
copy_exec /sbin/mount.fuse3 /sbin || true
allows me to create the initramfs, and the system boots, but I doubt
it's an optimal solution.
didier gaumet writes:
> Le 27/10/2022 à 00:52, Joe Pfeiffer a écrit :
>> I'm trying to do an update to my Debian 11 system, and keep getting the
>> following failure:
>> E: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/fuse failed with return 1.
>> Trying to get a little more i
I'm trying to do an update to my Debian 11 system, and keep getting the
following failure:
E: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/fuse failed with return 1.
Trying to get a little more information, I ran
update-initramfs -u -v -k all
and after many lines of output, got:
Adding binary
ebian 11 might just be stressing the CPU a little more, enough
to cause thermal trouble in something else due to increased heat. In
that case, the CPU should detect the higher temperature and slow down,
so it probably isn't that which is failing. If it's a desktop, it's
worth reseating all the connectors, which is also worth doing with a
laptop but is usually much more difficult.
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-systemd.automount options, among others. Without
the noauto it will assume every fstab entry is required for booting and
will hang on boot if it can't find one. With both, it automounts at
first access, and therefore may never mount if it's not needed for
anything.
I would assume it would work similarly with nfs instead of cifs.
--
Joe
Chuck Zmudzinski writes:
> On 8/19/2022 6:59 PM, Andy Smith wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 05:06:38PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
>> > On 8/19/2022 4:44 PM, piorunz wrote:
>> > > On 19/08/2022 18:57, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
>> > > > I have noticed that some Debian bugs are
*security*, but it seems to discourage break-in attempts.
I don't expect it to keep the CIA out. This disclaimer was added for
the benefit of... well, you know who you are.
--
Joe
Roger Price writes:
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2022, Andy Smith wrote:
>> I had a negative experience with LPI about 15 years ago where I
>> signed up for one of their tests at a conference (FOSDEM) just out
>> of interest and then in the weeks afterwards I was bombarded with
>> marketing emails.
>
> My
Charles Curley writes:
> On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 17:50:42 -0600
> Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>
>> I just noticed I have over a million files lurking in
>> $HOME/.gnome2/keyrings/ with names of the form
>> login.keyring.temp-n
>
>> Is there an accepted way to
I just noticed I have over a million files lurking in
$HOME/.gnome2/keyrings/ with names of the form
login.keyring.temp-n
where n is a nine digit number.
Literally over a million:
ls ~/.gnome2/keyrings/ | wc
1695549 1695549 50118672
>From the names, I assume these are temporary
y not always be available.
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d a new Debian kernel made the
guest additions unusable. I forget what I needed them for, but gave up
on VB then. I dare say a later version of the VB additions fixed the
problem, but there was no knowing how long this would take, or whether
this would happen after every kernel upgrade.
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