Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 23:58:32 + Lisi Reisz wrote: > > I can wiggle both my ears at the same time. :) > I didn't notice that. Now that _is_ an accomplishment. :-) I can wiggle one at a time... Cheers, Ron. -- Pain is life,

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

> On Mon, Nov 02, 2015 at 08:45:27AM +, Joe wrote: >> Not in the base system, no, but I'd expect it to be included in any >> system which might be used by newcomers to Linux. One reason is that the Aptitude semi-GUI hauls in a lot of libraries and dependencies and stuff. That fills up the

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 23:58:24 -0700 Glenn English wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 02, 2015 at 08:45:27AM +, Joe wrote: > >> Not in the base system, no, but I'd expect it to be included in any > >> system which might be used by newcomers to Linux. > > One reason is that the

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 19:41:47 + Joe wrote: > On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 18:49:59 + > Brian wrote: > > > On Sat 31 Oct 2015 at 10:01:36 -0600, Mario Castelán Castro wrote: > > > > > Will Debian 9 no longer install Aptitude by default?. > > > >

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Monday 02 November 2015 12:15:51 Brian wrote: >  And not all of us are fully > > > able-bodied.  You would appear to be able to read well and fast.  Not all > > of us are that fortunate. > > I do not see the relevance of this to reading the Debian documentation > accompanying a release. Unless

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Monday 02 November 2015 04:33:01 Rick Thomas wrote: > On Nov 2, 2015, at 12:45 AM, Joe wrote: > >> To be honest, I see no reason at all why two package managers > >> needed to be included in standard install. If you aren't happy with > >> apt-get, just apt-get install

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

And if you're installing X, then it's reasonable for Synaptic and other GUI admin tools to be part of the default setup. Those who prefer lower level tools and who know enough for that to be a good decision will know how to uninstall what they don't want or need and should have the privilege

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Mon 02 Nov 2015 at 15:01:16 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Monday 02 November 2015 12:15:51 Brian wrote: > >  And not all of us are fully > > > > > able-bodied.  You would appear to be able to read well and fast.  Not all > > > of us are that fortunate. > > > > I do not see the relevance of

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 09:27:42 +0200 Alex Moonshine wrote: > On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 16:52:37 -0700 > Rick Thomas wrote: > > > As shown below, aptitude has been progressively downgraded from > > “important” in oldstable (Wheezy) to “standard” in stable

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 01:02:19 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > Logically, doesn't it make more sense to make it so that you install > with the minimum number of packages necessary, and then download any > extra packages you want *after* the install? Yes. In fact, even

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Monday 02 November 2015 16:38:29 moxalt wrote: > On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 01:02:19 +1300, Chris Bannister > > > wrote: > > Logically, doesn't it make more sense to make it so that you install > > with the minimum number of packages necessary, and then download any > >

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 18:11:48 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 31 October 2015 16:37:41 Richard Owlett wrote: > > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > On Saturday 31 October 2015 16:18:15 Mario Castelán Castro wrote: > > >> El 31/10/15 a las 10:05, Richard Owlett escribió: >

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

El 02/11/15 a las 10:38, moxalt escribió: On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 01:02:19 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: Logically, doesn't it make more sense to make it so that you install with the minimum number of packages necessary, and then download any extra packages you want

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

El 31/10/15 a las 16:55, Lisi Reisz escribió: You said "All anyone has to do to avoid them is not install a DE. You are given the option.". That is right; I never claimed otherwise (furthermore, I alluded to this fact when I mentioned installing a text-only environment and then add additional

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Monday 02 November 2015 19:58:51 Brian wrote: > Your argument appears to be based on the state of a person's eyesight. > It also makes assertions about the state of mine. This is out of line; > you have no knowledge about the state of my sight (and never will). I said "would appear". I was

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Nov 2, 2015, at 12:45 AM, Joe wrote: >> To be honest, I see no reason at all why two package managers needed >> to be included in standard install. If you aren't happy with apt-get, >> just apt-get install aptitude. It seems beyond question to me that >> having bare

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Mon 02 Nov 2015 at 22:15:10 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Monday 02 November 2015 19:58:51 Brian wrote: > > Your argument appears to be based on the state of a person's eyesight. > > It also makes assertions about the state of mine. This is out of line; > > you have no knowledge about the

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Monday 02 November 2015 23:33:19 Brian wrote: > I can wiggle both my ears at the same time. :) I didn't notice that. Now that _is_ an accomplishment. :-) Lisi

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Monday 02 November 2015 23:33:19 Brian wrote: > The form of words doesn't matter. It is out of place and unhelpful to > comment on the physical capabilities of a participant on a list of this > nature, especially as a way of countering a argument. To repeat: you > have no knowledge of how easy

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Monday 02 November 2015 11:16:11 Brian wrote: > On Mon 02 Nov 2015 at 01:33:01 -0800, Rick Thomas wrote: > > On Nov 2, 2015, at 12:45 AM, Joe wrote: > > >> To be honest, I see no reason at all why two package managers needed > > >> to be included in standard install. If

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Mon 02 Nov 2015 at 01:33:01 -0800, Rick Thomas wrote: > On Nov 2, 2015, at 12:45 AM, Joe wrote: > > >> To be honest, I see no reason at all why two package managers needed > >> to be included in standard install. If you aren't happy with apt-get, > >> just apt-get

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

[Please don't top post on the debian-user mailing list.] On Mon, Nov 02, 2015 at 12:34:49PM -0700, John L. Ries wrote: > And if you're installing X, then it's reasonable for Synaptic and other GUI > admin tools to be part of the default setup. I use fvwm, I definitely don't want Synaptic and

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Mon 02 Nov 2015 at 11:37:48 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Monday 02 November 2015 11:16:11 Brian wrote: > > On Mon 02 Nov 2015 at 01:33:01 -0800, Rick Thomas wrote: > > > > > > Requiring a newcomer to install aptitude before she can follow the > > > simple step-by-step instructions she

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Mon, Nov 02, 2015 at 08:45:27AM +, Joe wrote: > Not in the base system, no, but I'd expect it to be included in any > system which might be used by newcomers to Linux. If a newcomer can't figure out apt-get install, then they'd probably be better off with Ubuntu or Linux Mint. Intelligent

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Sun 01 Nov 2015 at 01:02:54 +, Brian wrote: > On Sun 01 Nov 2015 at 00:16:09 +0100, Javi Barroso wrote: > > > El 31 de octubre de 2015 21:34:51 CET, Brian > > escribió: > > >On Sat 31 Oct 2015 at 21:12:42 +0100, Javi Barroso wrote: > > >> You can see when priority

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 16:52:37 -0700 Rick Thomas wrote: > As shown below, aptitude has been progressively downgraded from > “important” in oldstable (Wheezy) to “standard” in stable (Jessie), > “standard” in testing (Stretch) and finally to “optional” in unstable > (Sid) > And

Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

I notice that Sid is not including aptitude by default in the stock installation. I have to do “apt get install aptitude” manually after installation. Does anybody know why this is? Thanks! Rick

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 11:44:45AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 31 October 2015 11:38:25 Chris Bannister wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 03:57:30AM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: > > > I notice that Sid is not including aptitude by default in the stock > > > installation. I have to do

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 03:57:30AM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: > I notice that Sid is not including aptitude by default in the stock > installation. I have to do “apt get install aptitude” manually after > installation. > > Does anybody know why this is? Oh great! They've fixed it. I hated

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Saturday 31 October 2015 11:38:25 Chris Bannister wrote: > On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 03:57:30AM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: > > I notice that Sid is not including aptitude by default in the stock > > installation. I have to do “apt get install aptitude” manually after > > installation. > > > >

Re: How to identify obsolete packages (was: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?)

I get aptitude to resolve recommended upgrades just by using the -r switch on the command line. There's probably a way to do that using g.u.i. but don't know that one yet. On Sat, 31 Oct 2015, Stephen Powell wrote: Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 10:29:48 From: Stephen Powell

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Sat 31 Oct 2015 at 10:01:36 -0600, Mario Castelán Castro wrote: > Will Debian 9 no longer install Aptitude by default?. Que Sera, Sera. . Let's stay in the present (in line with the post which started this thread) and look at unstable. Here are two verifiable facts: brian@sid:~$ dpkg

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

Will Debian 9 no longer install Aptitude by default?.

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Saturday 31 October 2015 16:37:41 Richard Owlett wrote: > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Saturday 31 October 2015 16:18:15 Mario Castelán Castro wrote: > >> El 31/10/15 a las 10:05, Richard Owlett escribió: > >>> Martin Read wrote: > On 31/10/15 12:02, Chris Bannister wrote: > > Logically,

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

El 31/10/15 a las 10:05, Richard Owlett escribió: Martin Read wrote: On 31/10/15 12:02, Chris Bannister wrote: Logically, doesn't it make more sense to make it so that you install with the minimum number of packages necessary, and then download any extra packages you want *after* the install?

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On 10/31/15, Martin Read wrote: > On 31/10/15 12:02, Chris Bannister wrote: >> Logically, doesn't it make more sense to make it so that you install >> with the minimum number of packages necessary, and then download any >> extra packages you want *after* the install? > > Only

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: On 10/31/15, Martin Read wrote: On 31/10/15 12:02, Chris Bannister wrote: Logically, doesn't it make more sense to make it so that you install with the minimum number of packages necessary, and then download any extra packages you want *after* the

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

Brian [2015-10-31 18:49:59Z] wrote: > Here are two verifiable facts: > > brian@sid:~$ dpkg --status aptitude | grep Priority > Priority: important Package's priority can be overruled by... some system unknown to me. This is Debian 8: $ dpkg --status aptitude | grep Priority

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

Hello, El 31 de octubre de 2015 20:17:41 CET, Teemu Likonen escribió: >Brian [2015-10-31 18:49:59Z] wrote: > >> Here are two verifiable facts: >> >> brian@sid:~$ dpkg --status aptitude | grep Priority >> Priority: important > >Package's priority can be overruled by... some

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Oct 31, 2015, at 12:41 PM, Joe wrote: > On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 18:49:59 + > Brian wrote: > >> On Sat 31 Oct 2015 at 10:01:36 -0600, Mario Castelán Castro wrote: >> >>> Will Debian 9 no longer install Aptitude by default?. >> >> Que Sera,

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

I agree. Note that this does not contradict the claim that what I called “extras” (LibreOffice, etc.) are installed by Debian. Also note that I mentioned the Debian 7.0.2 LXDE CD, not apt-get nor tasksel. In this message I meant to write “Debian 7.2.0” rather than “Debian 7.0.2 LXDE CD”.

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Sat 31 Oct 2015 at 16:24:36 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 31 October 2015 16:18:15 Mario Castelán Castro wrote: > > > > I have also noticed that Debian installs a lot of "extra" programs by > > default. For example, when I installed LXDE using the latest (Debian 7) > > LXDE CD and, I

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 18:49:59 + Brian wrote: > On Sat 31 Oct 2015 at 10:01:36 -0600, Mario Castelán Castro wrote: > > > Will Debian 9 no longer install Aptitude by default?. > > Que Sera, Sera. . Let's stay in the present (in line with the post > which started

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Sat 31 Oct 2015 at 21:12:42 +0100, Javi Barroso wrote: > Hello, > > El 31 de octubre de 2015 20:17:41 CET, Teemu Likonen > escribió: > >Brian [2015-10-31 18:49:59Z] wrote: > > > >> Here are two verifiable facts: > >> > >> brian@sid:~$ dpkg --status aptitude | grep

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

I have also noticed that Debian installs a lot of "extra" programs by default. For example, when I installed LXDE using the latest (Debian 7) LXDE CD and, I obtained LibreOffice, Iceweasel and Deluge (among many others), none of which are part of LXDE, and of those, I only wanted Icweasel

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

El 31/10/15 a las 13:22, Brian escribió: On Sat 31 Oct 2015 at 16:24:36 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 31 October 2015 16:18:15 Mario Castelán Castro wrote: I have also noticed that Debian installs a lot of "extra" programs by default. For example, when I installed LXDE using the

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Sun 01 Nov 2015 at 00:38:25 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 03:57:30AM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: > > I notice that Sid is not including aptitude by default in the stock > > installation. I have to do “apt get install aptitude” manually after > > installation. > > >

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

Perhaps there is a way to do this with a CD/DVD boot parameter and I'm not aware of it... I wish there was a way to be presented with a more complete list of options at install time. On some installations with small disks I really don't need all of the documentation, utilities, etc. Is there

Re: How to identify obsolete packages (was: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?)

On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 10:38:48 -0400 (EDT), "Reco" wrote: > On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 10:29:48 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote: >> Does anyone know an easy way to identify obsolete packages without >> using aptitide? > > deborphan --guess-all According to the documentation for deborphan,

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

Martin Read wrote: On 31/10/15 12:02, Chris Bannister wrote: Logically, doesn't it make more sense to make it so that you install with the minimum number of packages necessary, and then download any extra packages you want *after* the install? Only if you accept austere minimalism as

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Saturday 31 October 2015 16:18:15 Mario Castelán Castro wrote: > El 31/10/15 a las 10:05, Richard Owlett escribió: > > Martin Read wrote: > >> On 31/10/15 12:02, Chris Bannister wrote: > >>> Logically, doesn't it make more sense to make it so that you > >>> install > >>> with the minimum number

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

Mario Castelán Castro wrote: El 31/10/15 a las 10:05, Richard Owlett escribió: Martin Read wrote: On 31/10/15 12:02, Chris Bannister wrote: Logically, doesn't it make more sense to make it so that you install with the minimum number of packages necessary, and then download any extra packages

Re: How to identify obsolete packages (was: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?)

Hi. On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 10:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Stephen Powell wrote: > Does anyone know an easy way to identify obsolete packages without > using aptitide? deborphan --guess-all Reco

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Saturday 31 October 2015 12:02:19 Chris Bannister wrote: > On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 11:44:45AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Saturday 31 October 2015 11:38:25 Chris Bannister wrote: > > > On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 03:57:30AM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: > > > > I notice that Sid is not including

How to identify obsolete packages (was: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?)

On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 07:38:25 -0400 (EDT), Chris Bannister wrote: > > Oh great! They've fixed it. I hated having to "dpkg --purge aptitude" > after a new installation. If you want extra packages, it's just an > apt-get install step away. I used to use aptitude; but I've switched back to using

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On 31/10/15 12:02, Chris Bannister wrote: Logically, doesn't it make more sense to make it so that you install with the minimum number of packages necessary, and then download any extra packages you want *after* the install? Only if you accept austere minimalism as axiomatically good.

Re: How to identify obsolete packages (was: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?)

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Stephen Powell wrote: > > Does anyone know an easy way to identify obsolete packages without > using aptitide? > Here is one way. To identify packages that are no longer present in the archive % apt-show-versions -r . | grep "No

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 31 October 2015 16:18:15 Mario Castelán Castro wrote: El 31/10/15 a las 10:05, Richard Owlett escribió: Martin Read wrote: On 31/10/15 12:02, Chris Bannister wrote: Logically, doesn't it make more sense to make it so that you install with the minimum number of

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Sun 01 Nov 2015 at 00:16:09 +0100, Javi Barroso wrote: > El 31 de octubre de 2015 21:34:51 CET, Brian escribió: > >On Sat 31 Oct 2015 at 21:12:42 +0100, Javi Barroso wrote: > >> You can see when priority was overruled > >>

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 14:15:08 -0700 Rick Thomas wrote: > > In my experience (I’m the OP) aptitude was always part of the default > installation, even when I specified a text-only (no DE) system. It’s > very recent (last month or so) that I now have to “apt-get install >

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

Hi, El 31 de octubre de 2015 21:34:51 CET, Brian escribió: >On Sat 31 Oct 2015 at 21:12:42 +0100, Javi Barroso wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> El 31 de octubre de 2015 20:17:41 CET, Teemu Likonen > escribió: >> >Brian [2015-10-31 18:49:59Z] wrote: >> > >> >> Here

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

As shown below, aptitude has been progressively downgraded from “important” in oldstable (Wheezy) to “standard” in stable (Jessie), “standard” in testing (Stretch) and finally to “optional” in unstable (Sid) rbthomas@cube:~$ aptitude -vv show aptitude | egrep '^(Priority|Version|Archive): ' |

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Saturday 31 October 2015 21:22:42 Tim McDonough wrote: > Is there an option that just installs the bare basics of a running > system with networking and apt-get? I think that the netinstall CD can give you that,if you choose the most minimal system on offer. Lisi

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

On Saturday 31 October 2015 19:14:30 Mario Castelán Castro wrote: > >> I have also noticed that Debian installs a lot of "extra" programs by > >> default. For example, when I installed LXDE using the latest (Debian 7) > >> LXDE CD and, I obtained LibreOffice, Iceweasel and Deluge (among many > >>