Re: Choosing among Desktop Enviroments and/or Windows Managers

2013-09-19 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 18 Sep 2013, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: [snip] So, if you want to try them (you said you have time, right? ;) ) start with an easy one like i3, and if and when you will like the idea behind, feel free to try more advanced ones. [snip] I like i3 a lot but I don't like the

Re: Choosing among Desktop Enviroments and/or Windows Managers

2013-09-18 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 17 Sep 2013, Luis Bandarra wrote: #!/bin/sh # script to start a new server with i3 DISPLAY=:0 Xephyr :1 -ac -br -reset -terminate -screen 1280x1024 2 /dev/null sleep 2 DISPLAY=:1 i3 but you can use just the command line's commands... Hope it helps... I use this: #

Re: Choosing among Desktop Enviroments and/or Windows Managers

2013-09-18 Thread Darac Marjal
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 06:44:28PM -0400, Rob Owens wrote: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 01:57:54PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: Someone in private mail suggested Enlightenment. Openbox was already on my list. Desktop environments lean towards over kill. Enlightenment and awesome will be

Re: Choosing among Desktop Enviroments and/or Windows Managers

2013-09-18 Thread Luis Bandarra
I didn't explain myself well, now that i have time, i'll see to it. I use Xephyr[1] to create a new X server in the current X host session. Then i launch the application i which to use on the new display. On 18-09-2013 07:49, Anthony Campbell wrote: On 17 Sep 2013, Luis Bandarra wrote: This

Re: Choosing among Desktop Enviroments and/or Windows Managers

2013-09-18 Thread berenger . morel
To switch between DEs, you can do it with the usual connection managers, IIRC. But I personally prefer to login on TTY and then start the window manager/DE of my choice. Usually, DEs have a 'start-my_favorite_de' command to do that. If you are tired about starting them by hand everytime, you

Re: Choosing among Desktop Enviroments and/or Windows Managers

2013-09-18 Thread berenger . morel
Le 18.09.2013 14:22, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org a écrit : To switch between DEs, you can do it with the usual connection managers, IIRC. But I personally prefer to login on TTY and then start the window manager/DE of my choice. Usually, DEs have a 'start-my_favorite_de' command to do that.

Re: Choosing among Desktop Enviroments and/or Windows Managers

2013-09-18 Thread Richard Owlett
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.09.2013 14:22, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org a écrit : To switch between DEs, you can do it with the usual connection managers, IIRC. But I personally prefer to login on TTY and then start the window manager/DE of my choice. Usually, DEs have a

Thank you - was [Re: Choosing among Desktop Enviroments and/or Windows Managers]

2013-09-18 Thread Richard Owlett
Richard Owlett wrote: /Background [snip] /Questions 1. Given that I prefer LILO over GRUB and xfce over Gnome/lxde/kde, what GUIs should I investigate further. 2. Given that internet is effectively non-existent and internal/external disk space is effectively unlimited, how can I make as many as

Re: Thank you - was [Re: Choosing among Desktop Enviroments and/or Windows Managers]

2013-09-18 Thread berenger . morel
Le 18.09.2013 13:31, Richard Owlett a écrit : Richard Owlett wrote: /Background [snip] /Questions 1. Given that I prefer LILO over GRUB and xfce over Gnome/lxde/kde, what GUIs should I investigate further. 2. Given that internet is effectively non-existent and internal/external disk space is

Re: Thank you - was [Re: Choosing among Desktop Enviroments and/or Windows Managers]

2013-09-18 Thread Charles Kroeger
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 16:20:02 +0200 Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: What's the best? I still don't know. Mr. Owlett, I would just like to add to the usual suggestions since you're interested in tinkering with Debian, a worthy hobby to be sure, that no one has suggested the now

Re: Choosing among Desktop Enviroments and/or Windows Managers

2013-09-18 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 18 September 2013 14:10:43 Richard Owlett wrote: berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.09.2013 14:22, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org a écrit : To switch between DEs, you can do it with the usual connection managers, IIRC. But I personally prefer to login on TTY and then

Re: Thank you - was [Re: Choosing among Desktop Enviroments and/or Windows Managers]

2013-09-18 Thread Ralf Mardorf
I recommend to stay with Debian and to stay for Debian with the Linux kernel and what ever boot loader you're using now. Test WMs and DEs, win experiences and in the future you still can decide to use FreeBSD, another Linux distro and/or other bootloaders. I prefer Linux over FreeBSD, but have

Re: Thank you - was [Re: Choosing among Desktop Enviroments and/or Windows Managers]

2013-09-18 Thread Richard Owlett
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: [*SNIP*] I guess this is why Debian meet my needs: you can tinker things easily, and so learn a lot even if you have poor starting knowledge. But do not worry, it seem that on that list, everyone is still learning things regularly. That tinkering is

Re: Thank you - was [Re: Choosing among Desktop Enviroments and/or Windows Managers]

2013-09-18 Thread berenger . morel
Le 18.09.2013 22:28, Richard Owlett a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: [*SNIP*] I guess this is why Debian meet my needs: you can tinker things easily, and so learn a lot even if you have poor starting knowledge. But do not worry, it seem that on that list, everyone is still

Re: Thank you - was [Re: Choosing among Desktop Enviroments and/or Windows Managers]

2013-09-18 Thread Richard Owlett
*CAVEAT LECTOR* - long winded humor included in following Ralf Mardorf wrote: I recommend to stay with Debian and to stay for Debian with the Linux kernel and what ever boot loader you're using now. Test WMs and DEs, win experiences and in the future you still can decide to use FreeBSD, another

Re: Choosing among Desktop Enviroments and/or Windows Managers

2013-09-17 Thread Luis Bandarra
On 16-09-2013 22:50, Richard Owlett wrote: Dan Ritter wrote: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 01:57:54PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: 2. Given that internet is effectively non-existent and internal/external disk space is effectively unlimited, how can I make as many as possible of the DE /or WM on the

Re: Choosing among Desktop Enviroments and/or Windows Managers

2013-09-17 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 01:57:54PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: Desktop environments lean towards over kill. In that case, have a look at fvwm. http://www.fvwm.org/ -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are

Re: Choosing among Desktop Enviroments and/or Windows Managers

2013-09-17 Thread Brian
On Mon 16 Sep 2013 at 10:06:32 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: /Background I'm relatively new to Linux. I got my feet wet by installing Squeeze We are all relatively new. If you installed Squeeze a couple of years ago and used it on a day-to-day basis you should now have a good feel for Debian.

Re: Choosing among Desktop Enviroments and/or Windows Managers

2013-09-17 Thread Joe
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 13:57:54 -0500 Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: 2. Given that internet is effectively non-existent and internal/external disk space is effectively unlimited, how can I make as many as possible of the DE /or WM on the distribution DVD simply available to

Re: Choosing among Desktop Enviroments and/or Windows Managers

2013-09-17 Thread Rob Owens
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 01:57:54PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: Someone in private mail suggested Enlightenment. Openbox was already on my list. Desktop environments lean towards over kill. Enlightenment and awesome will be investigated further. Then I'd also suggest Fluxbox. By the way,

Re: Choosing among Desktop Enviroments and/or Windows Managers

2013-09-17 Thread Cláudio E. Elicker
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 18:44:28 -0400 Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote: Then I'd also suggest Fluxbox. By the way, Fluxbox has a Window Managers entry in its menu which allows you to switch to other window managers, such as Openbox, without even closing your session. I just did it. Now I'm in

Re: Choosing among Desktop Enviroments and/or Windows Managers

2013-09-16 Thread Richard Owlett
Dan Ritter wrote: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 10:06:32AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: As I have minimal to *NO INTERNET* access, when Debian 7.1 DVDs became available from vendors I purchased the 10 DVD set. I also purchased the live DVDs for Gnome, lxde, kde, and xfce. I did some test runs of

Re: Choosing among Desktop Enviroments and/or Windows Managers

2013-09-16 Thread Cláudio E. Elicker
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 13:57:54 -0500 Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: An implied questions include: how do I switch between them while comparing? will thy potentially interfere with each other? Thank you. The choosewm package is an option. Hopefully not. -- EMACS is

Choosing among Desktop Enviroments and/or Windows Managers

2013-09-16 Thread Richard Owlett
/Background I'm relatively new to Linux. I got my feet wet by installing Squeeze (6.0.5) on a used laptop (Lenovo R61) purchased explicitly purchased for experimenting. Having used computers since Hector was a pup, accidents happen. As I have minimal to *NO INTERNET* access, when Debian 7.1

Re: Choosing among Desktop Enviroments and/or Windows Managers

2013-09-16 Thread Richard Owlett
Cláudio E. Elicker wrote: On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 13:57:54 -0500 Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: An implied questions include: how do I switch between them while comparing? will thy potentially interfere with each other? Thank you. The choosewm package is an option.

Re: Choosing among Desktop Enviroments and/or Windows Managers

2013-09-16 Thread Richard Owlett
Dan Ritter wrote: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 01:57:54PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: 2. Given that internet is effectively non-existent and internal/external disk space is effectively unlimited, how can I make as many as possible of the DE /or WM on the distribution DVD simply available to

Re: Choosing among Desktop Enviroments and/or Windows Managers

2013-09-16 Thread Cláudio E. Elicker
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 16:53:39 -0500 Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Cláudio E. Elicker wrote: On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 13:57:54 -0500 Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: An implied questions include: how do I switch between them while comparing? will thy