On 6/1/24 23:02, Max Nikulin wrote:
On 02/06/2024 02:59, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
If you change subject
or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your email
accordingly so that this can be clearly seen.
For example: New question [WAS Old topic]
Are square brackets
On Sun, Jun 02, 2024 at 10:02:58AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote:
> On 02/06/2024 02:59, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > If you change subject
> > or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your email
> > accordingly so that this can be clearly seen.
> >
> > For example: New question
On Sun, Jun 02, 2024 at 10:02:58AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote:
> On 02/06/2024 02:59, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > If you change subject
> > or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your email
> > accordingly so that this can be clearly seen.
> >
> > For example: New question
On 02/06/2024 02:59, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
If you change subject
or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your email
accordingly so that this can be clearly seen.
For example: New question [WAS Old topic]
Are square brackets intentional here? E.g. thunderbird strips
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On Tue, Jan 02, 2024 at 03:26:03AM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Mon, Jan 01, 2024 at 07:32:18PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote:
> > If one changes subject, would it not be better to simply start a new
> > thread? With most mail readers threading using the In-Reply-To header,
> > the new
Hello,
On Mon, Jan 01, 2024 at 07:32:18PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote:
> If one changes subject, would it not be better to simply start a new
> thread? With most mail readers threading using the In-Reply-To header,
> the new subject would get buried in the old thread.
Personally I prefer that. I
On Mon, Jan 01, 2024 at 07:32:18PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote:
> If one changes subject, would it not be better to simply start a new
> thread? With most mail readers threading using the In-Reply-To header,
> the new subject would get buried in the old thread.
There's a difference between
The refactoring and headers are an improvement, thank you.
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> seen.
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first confirming with the people involved that doing so is acceptable?
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> * It may also be useful to for someone to post a summary email from time to
> time to explain long threads.
You did not move the old "to" but rather added a new one during the change
from the text in 2023/12/msg00045.html to the new one:
> > * It may also be
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> David Wright wrote:
> > I'm subscribed, but I don't receive that badge of honour.
> > This is from my other post in this thread—no LDOSUBSCRIBER:
> >
> > > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=CAPINIT,FOURLA,
> > >
On Fri 01 Dec 2023 at 20:39:51 (+), piorunz wrote:
> On 01/12/2023 16:15, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> > > Your message is here, so you are subscribed :)
> >
> > Not necessarily, you can post here as a non-subscriber. Actually I have
> > the hunch that the OP is not subscribed (going by the
Hi,
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> I'm subscribed, but I don't receive that badge of honour.
> This is from my other post in this thread—no LDOSUBSCRIBER:
>
> > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=CAPINIT,FOURLA,
> > HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,LDO_WHITELIST,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,
> >
On Fri 01 Dec 2023 at 17:24:53 (+0100), Thomas Schmitt wrote:
>
> > Anyone one else having trouble with the mailing list?
>
> I got your message via the list.
>
> > Have received any messages since Nov 30
>
> Normal traffic yesterday and today, i'd say.
>
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Pocket wrote:
Anyone one else having trouble with the mailing list?
Have received any messages since Nov 30
I can not tell if I am still subscribed
I get
Error: Overload
On thehttps://lists.debian.org/users.html page
Looks like I
On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 08:39:51PM +, piorunz wrote:
> On 01/12/2023 16:15, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> > > Your message is here, so you are subscribed :)
> >
> > Not necessarily, you can post here as a non-subscriber. Actually I have
> > the hunch that the OP is not subscribed (going by the
On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 07:30:47PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 08:18:13PM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > there is a new surplus word "private" in these lines:
> >
> > > * Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit: private
> > >
piorunz writes:
> On 01/12/2023 16:15, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
>>> Your message is here, so you are subscribed :)
>>
>> Not necessarily, you can post here as a non-subscriber. Actually I have
>> the hunch that the OP is not subscribed (going by the X-Spam-Status header).
>>
>> Cheers
>
> Oh,
On Fri 01 Dec 2023 at 16:32:44 (+), Joe wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 17:12:56 +0100
> Marco Moock wrote:
> > Am 01.12.2023 um 15:55:41 Uhr schrieb Joe:
> >
> > > I received a message timed 22:52 on 28th, the last that day, the
> > > next three were on 29th at
> > > 08:39
> > > 13:14
> > >
On 01/12/2023 16:15, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
Your message is here, so you are subscribed :)
Not necessarily, you can post here as a non-subscriber. Actually I have
the hunch that the OP is not subscribed (going by the X-Spam-Status header).
Cheers
Oh, ok, I didn't know that. That's why the
Hi,
Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> * Before posting, it may be useful to check your post for spelling mistakes
> and scan it for redundancy, duplicate words and redundancy.
Some wisdom cannot be repeated enough.
Have a nice day :)
Thomas
On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 08:18:13PM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> there is a new surplus word "private" in these lines:
>
> > * Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit: private
> > private conversations don't benefit people who may only be following
>
>
> Have a
Hi,
there is a new surplus word "private" in these lines:
> * Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit: private
> private conversations don't benefit people who may only be following
Have a nice day :)
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Pocket wrote:
> Anyone one else having trouble with the mailing list?
>
> Have received any messages since Nov 30
>
> I can not tell if I am still subscribed
>
> I get
>
> Error: Overload
>
> On the https://lists.debian.org/users.html page
Your message ma
On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 17:12:56 +0100
Marco Moock wrote:
> Am 01.12.2023 um 15:55:41 Uhr schrieb Joe:
>
> > I received a message timed 22:52 on 28th, the last that day, the
> > next three were on 29th at
> > 08:39
> > 13:14
> > 15:55
> > then normal flow was resumed, which is typically about 50
Hi,
> Anyone one else having trouble with the mailing list?
I got your message via the list.
> Have received any messages since Nov 30
Normal traffic yesterday and today, i'd say.
> I can not tell if I am still subscribed
The "From:" address poc...@columbus.rr.com seems n
On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 03:24:33PM +, piorunz wrote:
> On 01/12/2023 15:05, Pocket wrote:
> > Anyone one else having trouble with the mailing list?
> >
> > Have received any messages since Nov 30
> >
> > I can not tell if I am still subscribed
>
> Your
Am 01.12.2023 um 15:55:41 Uhr schrieb Joe:
> I received a message timed 22:52 on 28th, the last that day, the next
> three were on 29th at
> 08:39
> 13:14
> 15:55
> then normal flow was resumed, which is typically about 50 messages per
> day.
>
> So yes, there was a problem.
> Times UTC by the
Am 01.12.2023 um 10:05:02 Uhr schrieb Pocket:
> I get
>
>
> Error: Overload
>
> On the https://lists.debian.org/users.html page
Works perfectly fine for me.
On 01/12/2023 15:05, Pocket wrote:
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Have received any messages since Nov 30
I can not tell if I am still subscribed
Your message is here, so you are subscribed :)
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On 8/14/23 12:24, zithro wrote:
On 12 Aug 2023 04:39, gene heskett wrote:
On 8/11/23 21:10, Larry Martell wrote:
Larry, whom I've known for 20 years, is only echoing.
Are you really an engineer ?!
No, I am not an EE, but I am a Certified Electronics Technician, a
much rarer breed of
) is fully competent at efficiently
managing email but still posts as they posted?
Funnily enough, if you look carefully, you can see some utterly
slapstick confusion of that very nature in this thread, over who is to
blame for posting a red-herring link to the Alpine Linux distro
ma
On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 Jeffrey Walton wrote:
On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 4:33 PM davidson wrote:
[...]
Somebody else posts a red-herring link, to a mailing list concerning
the linux distro called Alpine Linux.
[3] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/08/msg00355.html
Then Greg points out
On 12 Aug 2023 04:39, gene heskett wrote:
On 8/11/23 21:10, Larry Martell wrote:
Larry, whom I've known for 20 years, is only echoing.
Are you really an engineer ?!
No, I am not an EE, but I am a Certified Electronics Technician, a much
rarer breed of cat than your run of the mill EE.
ging email but still posts as they posted?
Funnily enough, if you look carefully, you can see some utterly
slapstick confusion of that very nature in this thread, over who is to
blame for posting a red-herring link to the Alpine Linux distro
ma
On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 4:33 PM davidson wrote:
> [...]
> Somebody else posts a red-herring link, to a mailing list concerning
> the linux distro called Alpine Linux.
> [3] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/08/msg00355.html
>
> Then Greg points out, in reply to the
subscribe, or how to spell it) is fully competent at efficiently
> managing email but still posts as they posted?
Funnily enough, if you look carefully, you can see some utterly
slapstick confusion of that very nature in this threa
On 2023-08-12, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>
> In the US, the banks are laxed. Banks claim they don't want to lose
> customers with inconveniences. I understand things are different from
> Europe.
It's a two-edged sword, though: I had to purchase a new smart phone in
order to continue banking with one
Hello,
On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 12:12:49AM +, davidson wrote:
> The foregoing demonstration is meant to show how, using alpine's
> threaded mode, I minimise my irritation with threads that I find
> irrelevant to my interests
Unfortunately no matter how advanced your MUA is, it doesn't help
On Sat, Aug 12, 2023 at 10:18 AM Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> [...]
> No one of us is perfect: the temptation to just add a bit more when you
> are irritated or something is wrong on the internet can be very strong.
>
> Obligatory xkcd cartoon: https://xkcd.com/386
Yeah, some threads refuse to
---
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N 18285 Yesterday pe...@easthope.ca (6K) > Crosshairs in gimp 2.1
N 18288 15:45 Erwan David (8K) > Swap size in debain 12
18292 12:
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N 18288 15:45 Erwan David (8K) > Swap size in debain 12
18292 12:35 Greg Wooledge (7K) Re: Mailing list unsub
* N 18293 Wednesday Carl Fink (6K) > Sound loses my anal
On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 11:17 PM David Wright wrote:
>
> On Fri 11 Aug 2023 at 17:39:28 (-0400), gene heskett wrote:
> > On 8/11/23 14:25, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 10:59:14AM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > > The recommended procedure usually
On 8/12/23 12:18, Curt wrote:
On 2023-08-12, Larry Martell wrote:
Larry didn't write the next quote, he was echoing the OP which I snipped.
Who is a random person to you? You're new to this list, so you have
no clue
who is who here.
Larry did write this:
Gene may be many things,
ways be sent to
> the -request address of a mailing list.
>
> If a mailing list is called for example "thel...@lists.debian.org", then
> the -request address can be inferred from this to be:
> "thelist-requ...@lists.debian.org".
>
> To subscribe to a ma
On 2023-08-12, Larry Martell wrote:
>
>
> Who is a random person to you? You're new to this list, so you have
> no clue
> who is who here.
>
Gene may be many things, but he's not random. He's *old*, though, so I
think certain breaks are to be given on that account.
But what I want to know is:
(
>
> So, please, shut the two threads down, so the mailing list can return to the
> subject matter for which the list was created and is maintained; discussionWW
> of the use of Debian, and, seeking help with the operating system, and, not
> the extraneous (extreme euphemism) "stuf
u just moved the goalpost: the Debian mailing lists are not your
bank. Whatever your bank does... I think I don't want to know that.
The current context was the Debian mailing list. Not your bank. Not
some dystopian lock-in software for some (at first cheap) hardware.
Not anything else.
On Fri 11 Aug 2023 at 17:39:28 (-0400), gene heskett wrote:
> On 8/11/23 14:25, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 10:59:14AM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > The recommended procedure usually works, unless the user is now using a
> > > different browser or has
On 8/11/23 21:10, Larry Martell wrote:
Larry, whom I've known for 20 years, is only echoing.
Are you really an engineer ?!
No, I am not an EE, but I am a Certified Electronics Technician, a much
rarer breed of cat than your run of the mill EE. We teach EE's how to
get their hands dirty
On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 6:03 PM zithro wrote:
> On 11 Aug 2023 23:39, gene heskett wrote:
> > No its not Tomas, everytime ff issues an update, I have to go thru all
> > the bs of proving I am me to my bank, and its been that way for at least
> > a decade.
>
> With all due respect, can you stop
, if
some subscribers need to be told how to input the name of this mailing
list ("If you look at that black rectangle in front of you, with those
white markings on it, that is named a keyboard. On that thing, if you
look along the rows of the markings, you should be able to see one
marking, that l
On 11 Aug 2023 23:39, gene heskett wrote:
No its not Tomas, everytime ff issues an update, I have to go thru all
the bs of proving I am me to my bank, and its been that way for at least
a decade.
With all due respect, can you stop spreading misinformation to this list ?
Not only this has
30 character pw it would take eons to
guess, doesn't mean a thing to them.
Your bank's authentication policy has NOTHING AT ALL to do with
unsubscribing from a mailing list.
And, I fail to see how a web browser version or operating system version
influences the response to a subscriber doing
, and its been that way for at least a
> decade. The fact that I have a nearly 30 character pw it would take eons to
> guess, doesn't mean a thing to them.
Your bank's authentication policy has NOTHING AT ALL to do with
unsubscribing from a mailing list.
the mailing list software an unsubscription
request for a specific mail address: either by sending
a mail or by performing a HTTP GET on a specific URL
(aka "clicking on a link")
2. the mailing list software sends a mail (containing a
token) to confirm the unsubscription reques
On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 10:59:14AM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
[...]
> The recommended procedure usually works, unless the user is now using a
> different browser or has installed a new version of the OS.
Sorry, Gene, this is plain wrong. The way it works is this:
1. you send the mailin
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>> If I'm not wrong, RFC compliance may even be required in some areas (via
>> contracts).
> That might happen, but it wouldn't be a great idea from a legal
> standpoint: RFCs are often ambiguous in surprising ways.
Most contracts are ambiguous in surprising ways anyway :-)
Stefan
zithro wrote:
> On 13 Apr 2023 01:15, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > zithro wrote:
> > > On 12 Apr 2023 22:15, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > >
> > > RFCs are there for having a common ground, right ?
> >
> > Sort of.
> >
> > At various meetings, a grad student was "volunteered" to take
> > notes. Not quite
On 13 Apr 2023 01:15, Dan Ritter wrote:
zithro wrote:
On 12 Apr 2023 22:15, Greg Wooledge wrote:
RFCs are there for having a common ground, right ?
Sort of.
At various meetings, a grad student was "volunteered" to take
notes. Not quite certain of how accurately he had transcribed
things, he
zithro wrote:
> On 12 Apr 2023 22:15, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
> RFCs are there for having a common ground, right ?
Sort of.
At various meetings, a grad student was "volunteered" to take
notes. Not quite certain of how accurately he had transcribed
things, he typed up "Request For Comments" at
On 12 Apr 2023 22:15, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 10:04:42PM +0200, zithro wrote:
So it seems that, despite (incomplete?) standards, each provider
(in the whole mail chain, MUA, MTA, etc) "does what he wants" ?
Why do you sound surprised? This is how everything works.
is the biggest advertising
company.
And I admit I hate using it with personal/private emails.
But *only* considering public mailing list, I fail to understand how it
is a problem (I'm also not using the webmail version).
And thanks for sharing how you're using mail services.
Google's engineers
On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 10:04:42PM +0200, zithro wrote:
> So it seems that, despite (incomplete?) standards, each provider
> (in the whole mail chain, MUA, MTA, etc) "does what he wants" ?
Why do you sound surprised? This is how everything works. Everything.
[Note: I snipped everything for easier read, and
replied to the most recent email]
Thank you all for your constructive answers !
This was a really interesting read.
So it seems that, despite (incomplete?) standards, each provider
(in the whole mail chain, MUA, MTA, etc) "does what he wants" ?
curity is a delusion.
Zuboff, Shoshana (2019).
The Age of Surveillance Capitalism: The Fight for a
Human Future at the New Frontier of Power.
London: Profile Books.
ISBN 978-1-78125-685-5 [1]
If only you were less cryptic I could answer.
Please don't and let's put this to rest.
It's a
On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 02:16:08PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 2:06 PM wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 02:02:39PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > If you wish to wander from the convention, then don't be surprised
> > > when unexpected things
> > > Some mail services apparently treat this "discard incoming messages that
> > > > look like duplicates of ones you already have a copy of" behavior as a
> > > > feature; Gmail is the best-known example. That has problems when (as
> > > >
> > > look like duplicates of ones you already have a copy of" behavior as a
> > > feature; Gmail is the best-known example. That has problems when (as
> > > with this mailing list) the incoming copy is not identical to the one
> > > that was sent, eve
On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 2:06 PM wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 02:02:39PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > If you wish to wander from the convention, then don't be surprised
> > when unexpected things happen.
>
> Unexpected things happen to me all the time -- the least of them are
On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 12:38:37 -0400
Jeffrey Walton wrote:
Hello Jeffrey,
>I don't think I would blame GMail for that. Maybe it's the sender's MUA?
It's well known that google discard what they see as 'duplicate'
messages. It is nothing to do with the sender's MUA.
Always remember google's
On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 02:02:39PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
[...]
> If you wish to wander from the convention, then don't be surprised
> when unexpected things happen.
Unexpected things happen to me all the time -- the least of them are
related to Message-IDs. My Message-IDs are fine,
ages that
> > > look like duplicates of ones you already have a copy of" behavior as a
> > > feature; Gmail is the best-known example. That has problems when (as
> > > with this mailing list) the incoming copy is not identical to the one
> > > that was
On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 06:40:45PM +0200, zithro wrote:
[...]
> > But they don't work for you.
>
> Well, in a sense, yes, and freely ^^
You don't want to be convinced, I don't want to be convinced,
so let's be nice to the rest of humankind and shut up now.
[...]
> Ah ah, this answer ... "I
py of" behavior as a
> > feature; Gmail is the best-known example. That has problems when (as
> > with this mailing list) the incoming copy is not identical to the one
> > that was sent, even though it has the same Message-ID, but AFAIK they
> > don't seem to care.
>
zithro writes:
> To not have to handle issues with security or availability of an own
> mail server.
I use pobox.com's paid service. Email is their business. I run Postfix
locally using the Pobox server as a smarthost and use Fetchmail to
download my mail every five minutes. Best of both
e. That has problems when (as
> with this mailing list) the incoming copy is not identical to the one
> that was sent, even though it has the same Message-ID, but AFAIK they
> don't seem to care.
I believe Message-Id's are supposed to be unique across space and
time. It sounds like discarding the duplicate is e
llo Andrew,
If you are subscribed to the mailing list and you post, you should see
a copy turn up in your mailing list mails
Unless your email provider is google, or somebody covertly using google.
Now why would you want to do that?
Cheers
To not have to handle issues with security or availability
gt;
> > > Hello Andrew,
> > >
> > > > If you are subscribed to the mailing list and you post, you should see
> > > > a copy turn up in your mailing list mails
> > >
> > > Unless your email provider is google, or somebody covertly u
On 12 Apr 2023 11:21, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 08:23:23AM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 21:08:51 +
"Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote:
Hello Andrew,
If you are subscribed to the mailing list and you post, you should see
a copy turn up in your ma
On 12 Apr 2023 13:54, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote:
If you are subscribed to the mailing list and you post, you should see
a copy turn up in your mailing list mails
Unless your email provider is google, or somebody covertly using google.
Now why would you want to do that?
I have experience. Gmail
On 12 Apr 2023 04:12, The Wanderer wrote:
Some mail services apparently treat this "discard incoming messages that
look like duplicates of ones you already have a copy of" behavior as a
feature; Gmail is the best-known example. That has problems when (as
with this mailing list) the inc
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