[I hope I got the attributions correctly, as far as I can tell I'm only
responding to John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darnell, not to
berenger.morel@, from what appears to have been a private reply]
Le 11.06.2014 08:41, John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darnell a écrit :
NO. APT does not break
Ahoj,
Dňa Thu, 12 Jun 2014 13:18:21 +0300 Andrei POPESCU
andreimpope...@gmail.com napísal:
reduce the size of your /var/lib/dpkg/available. HOW ? well just
open the file and delete stuff and save ! ok. there are too many
ways to choose how. back up before doing it. and don't delete
Le 11.06.2014 08:41, John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darnell a écrit :
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 08.06.2014 17:10, The Wanderer a écrit :
Maybe it's possible to configure aptitude so that it doesn't do
that...
but if so, I would think that configuration should be the default,
Le 08.06.2014 17:10, The Wanderer a écrit :
Maybe it's possible to configure aptitude so that it doesn't do
that...
but if so, I would think that configuration should be the default,
because as things stand it seems almost worse than useless for
anything
but the simplest operations.
Can't
08.06.2014, 15:10, Gour g...@atmarama.net:
David Dušanić ivanovne...@gmail.com writes:
I think you can also use aptitude on sid but I really prefer apt.
So, you believe aptitude is no better than apt in resolve package deps
(in Sid) ?
It is my personal preference. I never understood
On Lu, 09 iun 14, 08:35:44, Dalios wrote:
# apt-get clean apt-get autoclean apt-get autoremove apt-get update
apt-get upgrade apt-get dist-upgrade
A few comments:
- autoclean after clean is redundant
- I don't think clearing your cache *before* the upgrade is such a good
idea
Le 07.06.2014 11:58, Slavko a écrit :
Ahoj,
Dňa Sat, 7 Jun 2014 09:48:44 +0200 Thierry de Coulon
tcou...@decoulon.ch napísal:
Hello all,
I've lived for years using synaptic and I am no so used to aptitude
-
and I don't want to make mistakes...
Possibly my installation is now in such a
Le 08.06.2014 08:40, Thierry de Coulon a écrit :
I guess no Debian package manager likes this mix of origins. I took a
look at
pinning, but there is no simple solution there either.
I am quite used to play with lot of versions of softwares through
aptitude, and never had real problems. Ah,
On 06/09/2014 11:45 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Lu, 09 iun 14, 08:35:44, Dalios wrote:
# apt-get clean apt-get autoclean apt-get autoremove apt-get update
apt-get upgrade apt-get dist-upgrade
A few comments:
- autoclean after clean is redundant
- I don't think clearing your cache
On Sat, Jun 07, 2014 at 11:10:02PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Saturday 07 June 2014 21:41:17 Slavko wrote:
apt-get is quicker than aptitude and has (by the release note)
The release notes have not been consistent about which they recommend for a
particular upgrade. Both have been
On Lu, 09 iun 14, 13:19:33, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
I also have played with pinning in the past. I must admit, I agree with you,
it not a very good solution, since you need to progressively add every
dependency of the tool you want to upgrade, or automatical upgrades will
fail.
On Monday 09 June 2014 14:40:37 Chris Bannister wrote:
The release notes have not been consistent about which they recommend for
a particular upgrade. Both have been recommended on occasion.
For the same release?
Of course not.
The release notes are written for *each* release,
and
On Lu, 09 iun 14, 14:55:26, Dalios wrote:
Never tried apt before so after your message I decided to research a little.
Searching for info on apt is quite tricky as the web is full of pages on
apt-get and aptitude etc. Searching for apt vs apt-get returned this
reddit thread which is just a
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 01:40:37 +1200
Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
On Sat, Jun 07, 2014 at 11:10:02PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Saturday 07 June 2014 21:41:17 Slavko wrote:
apt-get is quicker than aptitude and has (by the release note)
The release notes have not
On Sunday 08 June 2014 00.10:02 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Saturday 07 June 2014 21:41:17 Slavko wrote:
apt-get is quicker than aptitude and has (by the release note)
The release notes have not been consistent about which they recommend for a
particular upgrade. Both have been recommended on
Thierry de Coulon tcou...@decoulon.ch writes:
Hello Thierry.
This being said, pure wheezy simply can't work on my machine (no graphics,
no network, not even a hard disc...) so the only other choice is another
distribution until Jessie becomes stable.
I can't stand Ubuntu(s), but openSuSE
Ahoj,
Dňa Sat, 7 Jun 2014 23:10:02 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com
napísal:
I prefer aptitude because I know what I am doing with it (sort of)
and because I don't have such a plethora of commands: apt-get,
apt-cache, apt-file etc. to remember. But I use apt-x on occasion
since it is
Slavko li...@slavino.sk writes:
Then i run aptitude and after some keypress is see, that there is one
conflict with some co-package (cgi plugin) from old uwsgi version.
I must say that I'm still quite noobie when it comes to package
management on Debian mostly using apt-get/synaptic and I
On Du, 08 iun 14, 12:27:04, Gour wrote:
Slavko li...@slavino.sk writes:
Then i run aptitude and after some keypress is see, that there is one
conflict with some co-package (cgi plugin) from old uwsgi version.
I must say that I'm still quite noobie when it comes to package
management on
On Sb, 07 iun 14, 09:48:44, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
Hello all,
I've lived for years using synaptic and I am no so used to aptitude - and I
don't want to make mistakes...
Possibly my installation is now in such a state that I should reinstall, but
everything *is* working. Anyway:
-
Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 08 Jun 2014 12:27:04 +0200 Gour g...@atmarama.net napísal:
Slavko li...@slavino.sk writes:
Then i run aptitude and after some keypress is see, that there is
one conflict with some co-package (cgi plugin) from old uwsgi
version.
I must say that I'm still quite noobie
08.06.2014, 12:27, Gour g...@atmarama.net:
I must say that I'm still quite noobie when it comes to package
management on Debian mostly using apt-get/synaptic and I
read/heard somewhere that for Sid those are recommended over aptitude?
Do I miss something and/or what would be recommended
On Sunday 08 June 2014 12:55:26 Slavko wrote:
Migration from apt-get/aptitude to Synaptic must be safe. The problem
in opposite direction, i.e. from Synaptic to apt-get/aptitude, where
Synaptic lack some functionality about the marking/removing
the automatically installed packages.
I have on
On Sun, Jun 08, 2014 at 01:55:26PM +0200, Slavko wrote:
AFAIK, the functionality of the apt-get and aptitude is compatible in
these days, with only one difference - the ncurses interface in
aptitude.
And more human-readable logs in /var/log/aptitude.
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Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes:
Especially on sid aptitude (in interactive mode) can be very useful, but
beware of #570377.
Hmm..
There is no procedure, just use which one you like/need/etc.
Iirc, one has to be careful when migrating from one tool to the other in
order not
Slavko li...@slavino.sk writes:
You can simply ignore the sid word in my post.
Ahh, OK. Good to know. ;)
Using Synaptic seems to be safe (in mean of the original problem in this
thread).
Maybe I shoud read the whole thread...
AFAIK, the functionality of the apt-get and aptitude is
David Dušanić ivanovne...@gmail.com writes:
I think you can also use aptitude on sid but I really prefer apt.
So, you believe aptitude is no better than apt in resolve package deps
(in Sid) ?
Sincerely,
Gour
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On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 15:04:17 +0200
Gour g...@atmarama.net wrote:
I do not mind the interface, just wondering which is more suitable
for Sid considering that the dynamic of admin work is a bit
different than when one uses stable distro?
I use synaptic and sometimes dselect (much more on
D.E. Bil kas...@gmail.com writes:
And more human-readable logs in /var/log/aptitude.
That's a good point. Thanks.
Sincerely,
Gour
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On Du, 08 iun 14, 15:00:58, Gour wrote:
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes:
Especially on sid aptitude (in interactive mode) can be very useful, but
beware of #570377.
Hmm..
I'm right now testing this in apt.conf
// tweak Aptitude to not suggest removals as first option
On Du, 08 iun 14, 15:07:31, Gour wrote:
David Dušanić ivanovne...@gmail.com writes:
I think you can also use aptitude on sid but I really prefer apt.
So, you believe aptitude is no better than apt in resolve package deps
(in Sid) ?
aptitude and apt have different resolvers. At some
On Du, 08 iun 14, 14:19:26, David Dušanić wrote:
I think running sid is just a matter of how good you can drive the
Debian package manager, be it aptitude or apt.
That's a fairly good description in my opinion :)
But I would never use something graphical (synaptic) to make my
upgrades.
On Sat, Jun 07, 2014 at 09:57:39PM +0200, Jochen Spieker wrote:
Thierry de Coulon:
I've lived for years using synaptic and I am no so used to aptitude - and I
don't want to make mistakes...
In addition to the good advice regarding automatically installed
packages that has already been
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On 06/08/2014 11:03 AM, Stephen Allen wrote:
On Sat, Jun 07, 2014 at 09:57:39PM +0200, Jochen Spieker wrote:
Thierry de Coulon:
I've lived for years using synaptic and I am no so used to
aptitude - and I don't want to make mistakes...
In
On Sun, 8 Jun 2014 13:33:28 +0100
Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday 08 June 2014 12:55:26 Slavko wrote:
Migration from apt-get/aptitude to Synaptic must be safe. The
problem in opposite direction, i.e. from Synaptic to
apt-get/aptitude, where Synaptic lack some functionality
Slavko:
Sure, here is today example (it comes from my Raspbian with recompiled
packages from sid in my own repo):
LANG=C apt-get upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages have been kept back:
uwsgi
On 06/08/2014 06:10 PM, The Wanderer wrote:
Likewise FWIW, I invariably use apt-get, because aptitude routinely
recommends dependency-resolution solutions which involve not doing
anything like what I requested - and indeed often involve removing the
very package I requested to be installed -
Hello all,
I've lived for years using synaptic and I am no so used to aptitude - and I
don't want to make mistakes...
Possibly my installation is now in such a state that I should reinstall, but
everything *is* working. Anyway:
- searching for broken packages gives 0 packages in synatiptic
On Sat, 7 Jun 2014 09:48:44 +0200
Thierry de Coulon tcou...@decoulon.ch wrote:
Hello all,
I've lived for years using synaptic and I am no so used to aptitude -
and I don't want to make mistakes...
Possibly my installation is now in such a state that I should
reinstall, but everything
Ahoj,
Dňa Sat, 7 Jun 2014 09:48:44 +0200 Thierry de Coulon
tcou...@decoulon.ch napísal:
Hello all,
I've lived for years using synaptic and I am no so used to aptitude -
and I don't want to make mistakes...
Possibly my installation is now in such a state that I should
reinstall, but
07.06.2014, 09:48, Thierry de Coulon tcou...@decoulon.ch:
Hello all,
I've lived for years using synaptic and I am no so used to aptitude - and I
don't want to make mistakes...
Possibly my installation is now in such a state that I should reinstall, but
everything *is* working. Anyway:
-
On Saturday 07 June 2014 11.58:41 Slavko wrote:
Ahoj,
(...)
You need to learn one thing - the A mark in the aptitude, eg (rest
of lines removed):
ilibpam0g-dev
i A libpam0g
^^^
(...)
Hope this help you.
Thanks Slavko. I'm not sure I got everything, but it shows the way to go:
Ahoj,
Dňa Sat, 7 Jun 2014 12:22:04 +0200 Thierry de Coulon
tcou...@decoulon.ch napísal:
Thanks Slavko. I'm not sure I got everything, but it shows the way to
go: learn using aptitude.
Don't worry. If you uninstall something, you can always install it
back (remember the + key?) :)
Aptitude is
A step before that maybe, to take further what Slavko proposed, to sort out
packages which are dependencies or recommendations of other packages which are
not marked automatically installed. The aptitude command-line search can help
here:
$ aptitude search '~i!~M(~R~i|~Rrecommends:~i)'
will show
Thierry de Coulon:
I've lived for years using synaptic and I am no so used to aptitude - and I
don't want to make mistakes...
In addition to the good advice regarding automatically installed
packages that has already been given I have one question: why do you
want to use aptitude? I used
Ahoj,
Dňa Sat, 7 Jun 2014 21:57:39 +0200 Jochen Spieker m...@well-adjusted.de
napísal:
Thierry de Coulon:
I've lived for years using synaptic and I am no so used to aptitude
- and I don't want to make mistakes...
In addition to the good advice regarding automatically installed
On Saturday 07 June 2014 21:41:17 Slavko wrote:
apt-get is quicker than aptitude and has (by the release note)
The release notes have not been consistent about which they recommend for a
particular upgrade. Both have been recommended on occasion.
I prefer aptitude because I know what I am
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