Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-03-06 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 1 Mar 2012 02:36:03 +0300, Stayvoid wrote in message cak5fs_ei7fm69ruruuxwttb8sd2ufgsystu1wre9pxkgqno...@mail.gmail.com: This suggests something is missing from your kernel. ..firmware? arnt@celsius:~$ dpkg -l |grep firmware-linux ii firmware-linux 0.35 Binary

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-03-06 Thread Stayvoid
..firmware? arnt@celsius:~$ dpkg -l |grep firmware-linux ii firmware-linux 0.35 Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel (meta-package) ii firmware-linux-free 3 Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel ii

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-03-06 Thread Stayvoid
Hello. It worked! I ran apt-get update; apt-get -f upgrade; apt-get install xorg. Now I want to find out which packages are really needed. Because xorg installed a lot of stuff. Thanks for your help. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-29 Thread Stayvoid
Earlier you mentioned http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/TroubleShooting did you check the section that applies to this error? http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/TroubleShooting#Xorg_fails_to_start_with_.22.28EE.29_.5Bdrm.5D_failed_to_open_device.22 This guide wasn't helpful. modprobe

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-29 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 29 feb 12, 23:48:22, Stayvoid wrote: This guide wasn't helpful. modprobe nouveau outputs nothing and there is no nouveau module in the output of lsmod. But nouveau appears in the output of lspci -vv. This suggests something is missing from your kernel. Let's try to fix it in

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-29 Thread Stayvoid
This suggests something is missing from your kernel. Could you be more specific? Will it help if I paste my .config? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-29 Thread Brian
On Wed 29 Feb 2012 at 23:48:22 +0300, Stayvoid wrote: This guide wasn't helpful. modprobe nouveau outputs nothing and It wouldn't output anything if the module was already in place. there is no nouveau module in the output of lsmod. But nouveau That is extremely surprising considering you

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-28 Thread Stayvoid
Please attach your /var/log/Xorg.0.log X.Org X Server 1.7.7 Release Date: 2010-05-04 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 xorg-server 2:1.7.7-14 (Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org) Current version of pixman: 0.25.1 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-28 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 29 feb 12, 05:21:03, Stayvoid wrote: (EE) [drm] failed to open device (EE) No devices detected. Earlier you mentioned http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/TroubleShooting did you check the section that applies to this error?

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-27 Thread Stayvoid
I've tried to use both packages, but I can't make X work. startx fails with (EE) [drm] failed to open device. I tried to look through the kernel options, asked people about it, read a man page on troubleshooting [1], but all my attempts were unsuccesful. [1]

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-27 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 28 feb 12, 02:39:44, Stayvoid wrote: I've tried to use both packages, but I can't make X work. startx fails with (EE) [drm] failed to open device. I tried to look through the kernel options, asked people about it, read a man page on troubleshooting [1], but all my attempts were

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-27 Thread Stefan Monnier
While I admire the work the Nouveau guys are doing, after suffering for more than 4 years with an Nvidia GPU+chipset on my desktop, I just replaced the motherboard with a one based on the AMD E350 fusion chip, and suddenly all my problems are gone. One of the best $200 I've spent recently. Only

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-27 Thread Nick Lidakis
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 08:57:22PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: While I admire the work the Nouveau guys are doing, after suffering for more than 4 years with an Nvidia GPU+chipset on my desktop, I just replaced the motherboard with a one based on the AMD E350 fusion chip, and suddenly all my

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-03 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 18:59:47 +, Brian wrote: On Thu 02 Feb 2012 at 12:57:50 +, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:28:55 +, lee wrote: Nowadays, you don´t really need to do anything ... No? Nothing? Really? I mean, really? Yes, really. It's such an improvement on the

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-03 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 20:19:44 +, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: Hum, did you ever try to get X11 to work with an ATI mach32 or mach64 or, later, a Matrox G200, about 15 years ago? My first linux box (SuSE Linux 8.2) was installed on a Matrox G450, IIRC. I had to do

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-02 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:28:55 +, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: having to deal with the mess of installing a VGA card in linux. It never has been so difficult and so hard than now is (or at least I don't remember it was when no KMS and no dynamic Xorg existed). Hum,

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-02 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 6:08 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Serious, you're using a Mac [1], there's nothing I could imagine that's more un-libre. I really wonder why you won't use the proprietary driver. Aren't you conflating Apple hardware and OS?1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-02 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2012-02-02 at 12:57 +, Camaleón wrote: openSUSE I started using Linux with Suse 9.0 and even today I've got an outdated 11.2 install. Suse supports settings for exotic German monitors, that are unsupported by the X calculators in the Internet. I agree that it was easier to set up X

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-02 Thread Brian
On Thu 02 Feb 2012 at 12:57:50 +, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:28:55 +, lee wrote: Nowadays, you don´t really need to do anything ... No? Nothing? Really? I mean, really? Yes, really. It's such an improvement on the past. Nouveau gets the console resolution right and

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-02 Thread lee
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:28:55 +, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: having to deal with the mess of installing a VGA card in linux. It never has been so difficult and so hard than now is (or at least I don't remember it was when no KMS

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-01 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 07:41 +0300, Stayvoid wrote: Hello! What version of Debian do you have installed? I'm using gNewSense (AFAIK it's based on Squeeze). What Nvidia graphics? NVIDIA GeForce 330M + Intel HD What computer? MacBookPro6,2 Phew! Take a look at

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-01 Thread Stayvoid
I don't want to use non-free software. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cak5fs_gthf+khz8wyepvcbkpvk9xotf4lkib7ojniffy3un...@mail.gmail.com

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-01 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 13:50 +0300, Stayvoid wrote: I don't want to use non-free software. On a regular non-Mac-PC the nouveau driver very often doesn't work, but even if it should work for you, take a look at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ , http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/MesaDrivers

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-01 Thread Stayvoid
Serious, you're using a Mac [1], there's nothing I could imagine that's more un-libre. I can't go back in time, but I can change the future. I really wonder why you won't use the proprietary driver. It's a matter of principle. Thanks for the links. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-01 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-01-31 15:28:19 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: Gilbert Sullivan wrote: Brian wrote: Sven Joachim wrote: Sven, maintainer of the borked package Seeing as you mention it - it is time to say 'thank you'. + 1 to this. +1 from me as well. I am happily using the nouveau

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-01 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 20:51:21 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2012-01-31 20:29 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: xserver-xorg includes X and xserver-xorg-video-nouveau includes a borked Nvidia driver for X. This borked driver works fine for me. YMMV, of course. Sven, maintainer of the

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-01 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 13:50:53 +0300, Stayvoid wrote: I don't want to use non-free software. That's a curious statement coming from a Mac user :-) Then consider using the Intel card and the Intel driver (if you can). Intel is the only manufacturer that develops an open source driver for their

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-01 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-02-01 12:42 +0100, Stayvoid wrote: Serious, you're using a Mac [1], there's nothing I could imagine that's more un-libre. I can't go back in time, but I can change the future. I really wonder why you won't use the proprietary driver. It's a matter of principle. I'd recommend to

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-01 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-02-01 05:41 +0100, Stayvoid wrote: What version of Debian do you have installed? I'm using gNewSense (AFAIK it's based on Squeeze). That's certainly not optimal, you need something newer for your card. What Nvidia graphics? NVIDIA GeForce 330M This seems to be an NVA5 chip for

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-01 Thread lee
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: having to deal with the mess of installing a VGA card in linux. It never has been so difficult and so hard than now is (or at least I don't remember it was when no KMS and no dynamic Xorg existed). Hum, did you ever try to get X11 to work with an ATI mach32

OT: Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-01 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 20:28 +, lee wrote: Remember your huge 14 or 15 CRT monitor flickering and possibly being damaged when you got the frequencies too high I still need to read some older replies, but I can't resist to answer OT now. I'm a dino and trillions years ago it was possible to

Re: OT: Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-01 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2012-02-02 at 06:50 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 20:28 +, lee wrote: Remember your huge 14 or 15 CRT monitor flickering and possibly being damaged when you got the frequencies too high I still need to read some older replies, but I can't resist to answer

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-01-31 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-01-31 17:47 +0100, Stayvoid wrote: What's the difference between these packages? See the package descriptions. The xserver-xorg-video-nouveau package contains a video driver for NVidia cards, while xserver-xorg is a metapackage that depends on all necessary parts of the X window

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-01-31 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:47:29 +0300, Stayvoid wrote: What's the difference between these packages? You can go here, search and read: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages *** Package: xserver-xorg (1:7.5+8+squeeze1) the X.Org X server This package depends on the full suite of the server and

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-01-31 Thread Stayvoid
In brief, the former will install (by dependencies) the full Xorg server with all of the VGA drivers... Will it install Nouveau this way? Should I install Nouveau drivers after the installation of the server itself? Cheers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-01-31 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 21:30:59 +0300, Stayvoid wrote: In brief, the former will install (by dependencies) the full Xorg server with all of the VGA drivers... Will it install Nouveau this way? Which one, xserver-xorg? Yes, it will. And lot of additional stuff you may or may not want. Should

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-01-31 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 19:47 +0300, Stayvoid wrote: Hello there! What's the difference between these packages? Cheers. xserver-xorg includes X and xserver-xorg-video-nouveau includes a borked Nvidia driver for X. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-01-31 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-01-31 20:29 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: xserver-xorg includes X and xserver-xorg-video-nouveau includes a borked Nvidia driver for X. This borked driver works fine for me. YMMV, of course. Sven, maintainer of the borked package -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-01-31 Thread Brian
On Tue 31 Jan 2012 at 21:30:59 +0300, Stayvoid wrote: Should I install Nouveau drivers after the installation of the server itself? If you know you have an Nvidia card install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau first. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-01-31 Thread Brian
On Tue 31 Jan 2012 at 20:51:21 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: Sven, maintainer of the borked package Seeing as you mention it - it is time to say 'thank you'. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-01-31 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 19:45 +, Brian wrote: On Tue 31 Jan 2012 at 21:30:59 +0300, Stayvoid wrote: Should I install Nouveau drivers after the installation of the server itself? If you know you have an Nvidia card install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau first. Camaleón asked for the

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-01-31 Thread Gilbert Sullivan
On 01/31/2012 03:07 PM, Brian wrote: On Tue 31 Jan 2012 at 20:51:21 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: Sven, maintainer of the borked package Seeing as you mention it - it is time to say 'thank you'. + 1 to this. Many thanks to Sven, not only for his work as a package maintainer but as

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-01-31 Thread Bob Proulx
Gilbert Sullivan wrote: Brian wrote: Sven Joachim wrote: Sven, maintainer of the borked package Seeing as you mention it - it is time to say 'thank you'. + 1 to this. +1 from me as well. I am happily using the nouveau package and driver on several machines. It made using

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-01-31 Thread Stayvoid
Hello! What version of Debian do you have installed? I'm using gNewSense (AFAIK it's based on Squeeze). What Nvidia graphics? NVIDIA GeForce 330M + Intel HD What computer? MacBookPro6,2 Do you need perfect, very fast 3D acceleration? Yep, but the drivers should be free. What screen