Re: debian and ubuntu - answer from user not pretending to be guru

2009-05-11 Thread Joseph Rawson
On Saturday 02 May 2009 19:02:42 Christofer C. Bell wrote: There's nothing special about how Ubuntu does it. In fact, when you install Etch you can have the Ubuntu behavior at installation time (when it prompts for a root password, select Cancel, then in the installer menu, select the option

Re: [OT] Re: debian and ubuntu - answer from user not pretending to be guru

2009-05-06 Thread Alex Samad
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 11:09:22PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: In 20090506023930.gb12...@samad.com.au, Alex Samad wrote: how can you create files in $HOME that the owner of $HOME can't delete ? b...@monster:~$ sudo mkdir data [sudo] password for bss: b...@monster:~$ sudo touch

Re: debian and ubuntu - answer from user not pretending to be guru

2009-05-05 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 04 May 2009 19:10:44 Harry Rickards wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: Harry Rickards wrote: But if they can run aptitude in the first place, surely they could either su to root or use sudo to read or delete the files. Just my opinion. Aptitude doesn't need root to run. I tell my

Re: debian and ubuntu - answer from user not pretending to be guru

2009-05-05 Thread Celejar
On Sat, 2 May 2009 17:51:35 +0800 (WST) Bret Busby b...@busby.net wrote: ... On this desktop computer, I also dual boot into Ubuntu 8.04. Ubuntu 8.04 can do things that I have been unable to do with Debian 4.0, such as viewing .wmv files. I can view wmv files fine on my Debian Sid; can you

[OT] Re: debian and ubuntu - answer from user not pretending to be guru

2009-05-05 Thread Alex Samad
On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 03:36:50PM +0100, Harry Rickards wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Daniel Burrows wrote: On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 08:51:28AM +0300, Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com was heard to say: On Sun,03.May.09, 10:18:49, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

Re: [OT] Re: debian and ubuntu - answer from user not pretending to be guru

2009-05-05 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In 20090506023930.gb12...@samad.com.au, Alex Samad wrote: how can you create files in $HOME that the owner of $HOME can't delete ? b...@monster:~$ sudo mkdir data [sudo] password for bss: b...@monster:~$ sudo touch data/file b...@monster:~$ rm -rf data rm: cannot remove `data/file': Permission

Re: debian and ubuntu - answer from user not pretending to be guru

2009-05-04 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sun,03.May.09, 10:18:49, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: However, does the package management software (as aptitude does) store user preferences in the home directory? If, for example, you always run aptitude as yourself then give it the root password when prompted, it stores your preferences in

Re: debian and ubuntu - answer from user not pretending to be guru

2009-05-04 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 08:51:28AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun,03.May.09, 10:18:49, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: However, does the package management software (as aptitude does) store user preferences in the home directory? If, for example, you always run aptitude as yourself then

Re: debian and ubuntu - answer from user not pretending to be guru

2009-05-04 Thread Harry Rickards
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Daniel Burrows wrote: On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 08:51:28AM +0300, Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com was heard to say: On Sun,03.May.09, 10:18:49, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: However, does the package management software (as aptitude does)

Re: debian and ubuntu - answer from user not pretending to be guru

2009-05-04 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 08:51:28AM +0300, Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com was heard to say: On Sun,03.May.09, 10:18:49, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: However, does the package management software (as aptitude does) store user preferences in the home directory? If, for example, you

Re: debian and ubuntu - answer from user not pretending to be guru

2009-05-04 Thread Paul Johnson
Harry Rickards wrote: But if they can run aptitude in the first place, surely they could either su to root or use sudo to read or delete the files. Just my opinion. Aptitude doesn't need root to run. I tell my users to check aptitude if they want to find out if I'm willing to install it

Re: debian and ubuntu - answer from user not pretending to be guru

2009-05-04 Thread Harry Rickards
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Johnson wrote: Harry Rickards wrote: But if they can run aptitude in the first place, surely they could either su to root or use sudo to read or delete the files. Just my opinion. Aptitude doesn't need root to run. I tell my users to

Re: debian and ubuntu - answer from user not pretending to be guru

2009-05-04 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Mon,04.May.09, 19:10:44, Harry Rickards wrote: Sorry, yeah I was thinking of aptitude as in 'aptitude install bash', not aptitude as the gui-based tool. aptitude search interesting_package ;) Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert

Re: debian and ubuntu - answer from user not pretending to be guru

2009-05-04 Thread Harry Rickards
On 4 May 2009, at 21:01, Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon,04.May.09, 19:10:44, Harry Rickards wrote: Sorry, yeah I was thinking of aptitude as in 'aptitude install bash', not aptitude as the gui-based tool. aptitude search interesting_package Yeah, there's that as

Re: debian and ubuntu - answer from user not pretending to be guru

2009-05-03 Thread John Hasler
Bret Busby wrote: Before I try it, please advise whether, in removing the sudo facility for users, the package management (both adding/removing packages, and, downloading and installing updates, and using synaptic) will work by entering only the root password. The package management software

Re: debian and ubuntu - answer from user not pretending to be guru

2009-05-03 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, May 03, 2009 at 07:29:07AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: Bret Busby wrote: Before I try it, please advise whether, in removing the sudo facility for users, the package management (both adding/removing packages, and, downloading and installing updates, and using synaptic) will work by

Re: debian and ubuntu - answer from user not pretending to be guru

2009-05-03 Thread Nuno Magalhães
[...] If you later run aptitude as root, those prefernces won't be active.  Also, vis-versa. So copy them? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: debian and ubuntu - answer from user not pretending to be guru

2009-05-03 Thread Raquel
On Sun, 3 May 2009 10:18:49 -0400 Douglas A. Tutty dtu...@vianet.ca wrote: On Sun, May 03, 2009 at 07:29:07AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: Bret Busby wrote: Before I try it, please advise whether, in removing the sudo facility for users, the package management (both adding/removing

Re: debian and ubuntu - answer from user not pretending to be guru

2009-05-03 Thread Mark Allums
Raquel wrote: On Sun, 3 May 2009 10:18:49 -0400 Douglas A. Tutty dtu...@vianet.ca wrote: On Sun, May 03, 2009 at 07:29:07AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: Bret Busby wrote: Before I try it, please advise whether, in removing the sudo facility for users, the package management (both

Re: debian and ubuntu - answer from user not pretending to be guru

2009-05-03 Thread Adrian Levi
2009/5/4 Mark Allums m...@allums.com: Raquel wrote: I don't think that aptitude will run as $user, Douglas.  It always runs as root.  At least, that's what it's always told me when I've mistakenly tried to run it as $user. It runs as user (in GUI mode), but it won't attempt to make changes

Re: debian and ubuntu - answer from user not pretending to be guru

2009-05-02 Thread Bret Busby
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009, prad wrote: we use (and support) both, but i'd like to establish a rationale for using one or the other. are there situations where debian is preferable (eg older hardware)? are there situations where ubuntu is preferable (eg picking up newer hardware)? what's better for

Re: debian and ubuntu - answer from user not pretending to be guru

2009-05-02 Thread Christofer C. Bell
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 4:51 AM, Bret Busby b...@busby.net wrote: On this computer, a desktop, I usually run Debian 4.0. I find it more convenient, for most things, and I do not like the sudo that Ubuntu uses; I prefer su - root. Before people start criticising that preference, it it my

Re: debian and ubuntu - answer from user not pretending to be guru

2009-05-02 Thread Nate Bargmann
And for anyone that wants a root prompt without disabling sudo, the folowing command has worked for me on the various 'buntus: `sudo su' - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more:

Re: debian and ubuntu - answer from user not pretending to be guru

2009-05-02 Thread Bret Busby
On Sat, 2 May 2009, Christofer C. Bell wrote: On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 4:51 AM, Bret Busby b...@busby.net wrote: On this computer, a desktop, I usually run Debian 4.0. I find it more convenient, for most things, and I do not like the sudo that Ubuntu uses; I prefer su - root. Before people

Re: debian and ubuntu - answer from user not pretending to be guru

2009-05-02 Thread Christofer C. Bell
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Bret Busby b...@busby.net wrote: Thank you for that. Before I try it, please advise whether, in removing the sudo facility for users, the package management (both adding/removing packages, and, downloading and installing updates, and using synaptic) will work

Re: debian and ubuntu - answer from user not pretending to be guru

2009-05-02 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sat,02.May.09, 20:07:30, Nate Bargmann wrote: And for anyone that wants a root prompt without disabling sudo, the folowing command has worked for me on the various 'buntus: `sudo su' Why not 'sudo -i' (I'm trying to keep it simple and no involve two programs if avoidable)? Regards,