rootkit Jessie?

2014-09-18 Thread maderios
Bonjour J'obtiens ceci après avoir lancé Chkrootkit Searching for Suckit rootkit... Warning: /sbin/init INFECTED /sbin/init est un lien symbolique - /lib/systemd/systemd Rkhunter me donne des warnings pour /sbin /usr/sbin /bin /usr/bin puis ne trouve aucun

Re: rootkit Jessie?

2014-09-18 Thread Serge SMEESTERS
Salut maderios, On pourrait discuter pour savoir si c'est une bonne chose ou pas mais le projet Debian à en effet décidé d'adopter systemd... https://linuxfr.org/users/elessar/journaux/debian-adopte-systemd-comme-init-par-defaut Sans pouvoir être catégorique, j'ai l'impression Chkrootkit devrait

Re: rootkit Jessie?

2014-09-18 Thread Francois Boisson
Le Thu, 18 Sep 2014 14:28:00 +0200 Francois Boisson user.anti-s...@maison.homelinux.net a écrit: suckit utilise des processus cachés. Essaye un truc genre for i in $(seq 1 65536); do ls -l $i/cmdline; done 2 /dev/null | sed -e '1, $s|^.* \([0-9]*\)/cmdline$|ps -p \1 -o comm=|g' | sh Flute

Re: rootkit Jessie?

2014-09-18 Thread Francois Boisson
Le Thu, 18 Sep 2014 11:33:00 +0200 maderios mader...@gmail.com a écrit: Bonjour J'obtiens ceci après avoir lancé Chkrootkit Searching for Suckit rootkit... Warning: /sbin/init INFECTED /sbin/init est un lien symbolique - /lib/systemd/systemd suckit utilise

Chromium et flash player

2014-09-18 Thread jbernon
Bonjour, Je n'arrive pas à faire fonctionner flashplayer avec Chromium. La requête Chromium about:plugins affiche ceci Adobe Flash Player - Version : 11.2.999.999 Shockwave Flash 11.2 r999 Nom : Shockwave Flash Description : Shockwave Flash 11.2 r999 Version : 11.2.999.999

Re: rootkit Jessie?

2014-09-18 Thread maderios
On 09/18/2014 02:28 PM, Francois Boisson wrote: J'obtiens ceci après avoir lancé Chkrootkit Searching for Suckit rootkit... Warning: /sbin/init INFECTED /sbin/init est un lien symbolique - /lib/systemd/systemd suckit utilise des processus cachés. Essaye un truc

Re: rootkit Jessie?

2014-09-18 Thread Serge SMEESTERS
for i in $(seq 1 65536); do ls -l $i/cmdline; done 2 /dev/null | sed -e '1,$s|^.* \([0-9]*\)/cmdline$|ps -p \1 -o comm=|g' | sh Il me semble qu'il meanque /proc dans ta commande ↑ et aussi qu'un find sera plus rapide... J'ai donc exécuté la commande suivante : find /proc/ -regex

Re: rootkit Jessie?

2014-09-18 Thread Serge SMEESTERS
J'ai donc exécuté la commande suivante : find /proc/ -regex '/proc/[0-9]*/cmdline' 2/dev/null | sed '1,$s|^/proc/\([0-9]*\)/cmdline$|ps -p \1|g' | sh et j'ai 3 lignes PID TTY TIME CMD qui se suivent ! Et c'est curieux, alors que je cherchais à trouver les PID, elles ont finis

Re: rootkit Jessie?

2014-09-18 Thread Sylvain L. Sauvage
Le jeudi 18 septembre 2014, 16:06:28 Serge SMEESTERS a écrit : [… find /proc | sed | sh …] Et c'est curieux, alors que je cherchais à trouver les PID, elles ont finis par disparaître... Serions-nous à ce point surveillé :) Ce qui serait bien avant d’exécuter (et d’« optimiser ») une

Re: rootkit Jessie?

2014-09-18 Thread François Boisson
Le Thu, 18 Sep 2014 16:59:39 +0200 Sylvain L. Sauvage sylvain.l.sauv...@free.fr a écrit: Le jeudi 18 septembre 2014, 16:06:28 Serge SMEESTERS a écrit : [… find /proc | sed | sh …] Et c'est curieux, alors que je cherchais à trouver les PID, elles ont finis par disparaître... Serions-nous à

Re: Chromium et flash player

2014-09-18 Thread Jacques Daniel
Le 18/09/2014 15:38, jber...@free.fr a écrit : Bonjour, Je n'arrive pas à faire fonctionner flashplayer avec Chromium. La requête Chromium about:plugins affiche ceci La commande update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --status affiche ceci. root@pc-jean-debian:/home/jean/.config/chromium#

Re: rootkit Jessie?

2014-09-18 Thread François Boisson
En fait, pour ceux que ça interesse, le paquet cacheproc est né sur cette liste. Je vous suggère de lire https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-french/2003/12/msg01134.html et https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-french/2003/12/msg01427.html (lire les deux fils). Nostalgie pour certains surement.

Re: Chromium et flash player

2014-09-18 Thread 1ibr3
Cela tombe bien. J'ai juste fait la manip. , il y a deux jours, suite à la mise à jour de pepperflashplugin où j'avais perdu aussi le plugin flash suite à son installation. La manip est simple (root): Le plus facile taper dans la console: cat

Re: rootkit Jessie?

2014-09-18 Thread Sylvain L. Sauvage
[ Je lis la liste. Pas la peine de me répondre directement et de mettre la liste en CC. ] Le jeudi 18 septembre 2014, 17:50:01 François Boisson a écrit : […] En clair ls /proc/123 donne que dalle mais ls /proc/123/cmdline donne un résultat. ps se base sur les processus

Re: rootkit Jessie?

2014-09-18 Thread Frédéric MASSOT
Le 18/09/2014 11:33, maderios a écrit : Bonjour J'obtiens ceci après avoir lancé Chkrootkit Searching for Suckit rootkit... Warning: /sbin/init INFECTED /sbin/init est un lien symbolique - /lib/systemd/systemd Un petit tour sur la page des rapports de bug de

Problema con squid

2014-09-18 Thread Antonio Moreno
Hola Tengo un problema con squid y las reglas ACL y no se si lo estoy haciendo bien, mas que nada por que no funciona jejeje Tengo en mi empresa unos departamentos, llamesmole Dep1, Dep2 y Dep3 Lo que he hecho es crear 2 archivos por Departamento, uno con las ips y otro con las direcciones

Re: Problema con squid

2014-09-18 Thread fernando sainz
El día 18 de septiembre de 2014, 11:08, Antonio Moreno anto...@sorianatural.es escribió: Hola Tengo un problema con squid y las reglas ACL y no se si lo estoy haciendo bien, mas que nada por que no funciona jejeje Tengo en mi empresa unos departamentos, llamesmole Dep1, Dep2 y Dep3 Lo que

Re: Problema con squid

2014-09-18 Thread Antonio Moreno
El 18/09/14 a las #4, fernando sainz escribió: El día 18 de septiembre de 2014, 11:08, Antonio Moreno anto...@sorianatural.es escribió: (...) Tal vez porque en ingles es .gov en vez de .gob S2. Me he inventado todos los datos, en las configuraciones reales la direccion a la que necesito

Re: dispositivos en el escritorio de LXDE

2014-09-18 Thread Gonzalo Rivero
El mié, 17-09-2014 a las 17:02 -0400, Gr@rd1t'o escribió: Buenas listeros tengo una duda. soy usuario de Debian hace algun tiempo pero en LXDE soy como nuevo quisiera saber si a LXDE se le puede poner los dispositivos como memorias; CDs etc en el escritorio y como conectás la memoria

Re: Error al instalar FFMPEG y MENCODER

2014-09-18 Thread Camaleón
El Wed, 17 Sep 2014 22:11:13 +0200, Eduardo Rios escribió: El 16/09/14 a las 15:22, Camaleón escribió: En Debian se optó por el fork libav-tools, pero el paquete original está a punto de volver a los repos¹ aunque también lo tendrás disponible ya mismo en Debian Multimedia. Yo en Debian

Re: dispositivos en el escritorio de LXDE

2014-09-18 Thread Camaleón
El Wed, 17 Sep 2014 17:02:42 -0400, Gr@rd1t'o escribió: Buenas listeros tengo una duda. soy usuario de Debian hace algun tiempo pero en LXDE soy como nuevo quisiera saber si a LXDE se le puede poner los dispositivos como memorias; CDs etc en el escritorio y como De eso se suele

Re: Problema con squid

2014-09-18 Thread Camaleón
El Thu, 18 Sep 2014 11:08:34 +0200, Antonio Moreno escribió: Tengo un problema con squid y las reglas ACL y no se si lo estoy haciendo bien, mas que nada por que no funciona jejeje Tengo en mi empresa unos departamentos, llamesmole Dep1, Dep2 y Dep3 Lo que he hecho es crear 2 archivos por

Re: dispositivos en el escritorio de LXDE

2014-09-18 Thread Gr@rd1t'o
El Wed, 17 Sep 2014 17:02:42 -0400, Gr@rd1t'o escribió: Buenas listeros tengo una duda. soy usuario de Debian hace algun tiempo pero en LXDE soy como nuevo quisiera saber si a LXDE se le puede poner los dispositivos como memorias; CDs etc en el escritorio y como De eso se suele

Re: dispositivos en el escritorio de LXDE

2014-09-18 Thread Sergio Bessopeanetto
El 18/09/14 a las 10:27, Camaleón escibió: El Wed, 17 Sep 2014 17:02:42 -0400, Gr@rd1t'o escribió: Buenas listeros tengo una duda. soy usuario de Debian hace algun tiempo pero en LXDE soy como nuevo quisiera saber si a LXDE se le puede poner los dispositivos como memorias; CDs etc en el

Re: dispositivos en el escritorio de LXDE

2014-09-18 Thread Gr@rd1t'o
El 18/09/14 a las 10:27, Camaleón escibió: El Wed, 17 Sep 2014 17:02:42 -0400, Gr@rd1t'o escribió: Buenas listeros tengo una duda. soy usuario de Debian hace algun tiempo pero en LXDE soy como nuevo quisiera saber si a LXDE se le puede poner los dispositivos como memorias; CDs etc en el

RE: Problema con squid

2014-09-18 Thread William Romero
El Thu, 18 Sep 2014 11:08:34 +0200, Antonio Moreno escribió: Tengo un problema con squid y las reglas ACL y no se si lo estoy haciendo bien, mas que nada por que no funciona jejeje Tengo en mi empresa unos departamentos, llamesmole Dep1, Dep2 y Dep3 Lo que he hecho es crear 2 archivos por

Re: dispositivos en el escritorio de LXDE

2014-09-18 Thread Camaleón
El Thu, 18 Sep 2014 09:46:48 -0400, Gr@rd1t'o escribió: El Wed, 17 Sep 2014 17:02:42 -0400, Gr@rd1t'o escribió: Buenas listeros tengo una duda. soy usuario de Debian hace algun tiempo pero en LXDE soy como nuevo quisiera saber si a LXDE se le puede poner los dispositivos como memorias; CDs

Re: dispositivos en el escritorio de LXDE

2014-09-18 Thread Gr@rd1t'o
El Thu, 18 Sep 2014 09:46:48 -0400, Gr@rd1t'o escribió: El Wed, 17 Sep 2014 17:02:42 -0400, Gr@rd1t'o escribió: Buenas listeros tengo una duda. soy usuario de Debian hace algun tiempo pero en LXDE soy como nuevo quisiera saber si a LXDE se le puede poner los dispositivos como memorias;

Re: dispositivos en el escritorio de LXDE

2014-09-18 Thread Camaleón
El Thu, 18 Sep 2014 10:36:33 -0400, Gr@rd1t'o escribió: (...) ¿Te aparecen al menos los dispositivos en el panel izquierdo cuando abres pcmanfm? Camaleon si en pcmanfm me salen los dispositivos en el panel izquierdo pero yo quiero un acceso directo en el escritorio Vale, te lo preguntaba

Escritorio mas limpio

2014-09-18 Thread Jesus Narvaez
Buenos días Quiero instalar debían testing con el entorno grafico mas limpio que se pueda sin muchas cosas osea solo el escritorio mis herramientas de red, gedit, explorador de carpetas, conky, Firefox y otras herramientas básicas y poco pesadas Quien me puede dar ua mano?

Re: Escritorio mas limpio

2014-09-18 Thread Camaleón
El Thu, 18 Sep 2014 10:51:36 -0430, Jesus Narvaez escribió: (ese html...) Quiero instalar debían testing con el entorno grafico mas limpio que se pueda sin muchas cosas osea solo el escritorio mis herramientas de red, gedit, explorador de carpetas, conky, Firefox y otras herramientas básicas

Re: Escritorio mas limpio

2014-09-18 Thread Antonio
El 18/09/2014 a las #4, Camaleón escribió: El Thu, 18 Sep 2014 10:51:36 -0430, Jesus Narvaez escribió: (ese html...) Quiero instalar debían testing con el entorno grafico mas limpio que se pueda sin muchas cosas osea solo el escritorio mis herramientas de red, gedit, explorador de carpetas,

Re: Escritorio mas limpio

2014-09-18 Thread Camaleón
El Thu, 18 Sep 2014 19:18:27 +0200, Antonio escribió: El 18/09/2014 a las #4, Camaleón escribió: El Thu, 18 Sep 2014 10:51:36 -0430, Jesus Narvaez escribió: (ese html...) Quiero instalar debían testing con el entorno grafico mas limpio que se pueda sin muchas cosas osea solo el escritorio

Re: Error al instalar FFMPEG y MENCODER

2014-09-18 Thread Eduardo Rios
El 18/09/14 a las 15:20, Camaleón escribió: El Wed, 17 Sep 2014 22:11:13 +0200, Eduardo Rios escribió: El 16/09/14 a las 15:22, Camaleón escribió: En Debian se optó por el fork libav-tools, pero el paquete original está a punto de volver a los repos¹ aunque también lo tendrás disponible ya

Re: dispositivos en el escritorio de LXDE

2014-09-18 Thread Ricardo Delgado
El día 17 de septiembre de 2014, 18:02, Gr@rd1t'o gerard...@inor.sld.cu escribió: Buenas listeros tengo una duda. soy usuario de Debian hace algun tiempo pero en LXDE soy como nuevo quisiera saber si a LXDE se le puede poner los dispositivos como memorias; CDs etc en el escritorio y como

Re: Pregunta... Sobre Paquetes INSTALADORES

2014-09-18 Thread Haylem Candelario Bauzá del INOR
Ahora mismo se me ocurre paraq mejorar esta situación las aplicaciones distribuirlar en una especie de imagen iso como el mac con los dmg al pinchar la imagen esta se monta y no necesita copiar lso archivos al pc previniendo que se sobreescriban archivos de versiones específicas para

Re: Pregunta... Sobre Paquetes INSTALADORES

2014-09-18 Thread Haylem Candelario Bauzá del INOR
On Domingo, 14 de septiembre de 2014 1:36:58 AM Juan José López escribió: El Sat, 13 Sep 2014 19:45:21 -0300 Rivera Valdez riveraval...@ysinembargo.com escribió: Pregunto (desde mi evidente ignorancia): Cuando se empaqueta el programa y se genera el .deb, ¿no es posible hacerlo de modo tal

Re: Escritorio mas limpio

2014-09-18 Thread Etemenanki
Camaleón wrote: El Thu, 18 Sep 2014 10:51:36 -0430, Jesus Narvaez escribió: (ese html...) Quiero instalar debían testing con el entorno grafico mas limpio que se pueda sin muchas cosas osea solo el escritorio mis herramientas de red, gedit, explorador de carpetas, conky, Firefox y otras

Re: Pregunta... Sobre Paquetes INSTALADORES

2014-09-18 Thread Haylem Candelario Bauzá del INOR
On Domingo, 14 de septiembre de 2014 8:30:20 AM Eduardo Rios escribió: El 14/09/14 a las 00:45, Rivera Valdez escribió: Pregunto (desde mi evidente ignorancia): Cuando se empaqueta el programa y se genera el .deb, ¿no es posible hacerlo de modo tal que contenga todas las dependencias

Re: Pregunta...

2014-09-18 Thread Haylem Candelario Bauzá del INOR
On Viernes, 12 de septiembre de 2014 6:12:54 PM Sergio Bessopeanetto escribió: El 12/09/14 a las 17:13, Haylem Candelario Bauzá escibió: He estado leyendo sobre los programas .pbi de PC-BSD. Este tipo de programa viene en este formato de paquete y se instalan con un solo click, teniendo

Re: OT - Systemd

2014-09-18 Thread Haylem Candelario Bauzá del INOR
Ojal'a no metan el concepto de registro en GNU/Linux, es la peor idea que se haya inventado y puede hechar todo por la borda. Tantos a;os de sacrificio. Mucho cuidado con la mentalidad de empresas cerradas. -- Si dominas los Bits, dominas el mundo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: OT - Systemd

2014-09-18 Thread Haylem Candelario Bauzá del INOR
Creo que deber'ia empezar a darle fuerza al HURD, mientras tanto veo venir la familia BSD -- Si dominas los Bits, dominas el mundo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: Systemd

2014-09-18 Thread agr
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 05:54:26PM -0400, Haylem Candelario Bauz?? del INOR wrote: Ojal'a no metan el concepto de registro en GNU/Linux, es la peor idea que se haya inventado y puede hechar todo por la borda. Tantos a;os de sacrificio. Mucho cuidado con la mentalidad de empresas cerradas.

Re: Escritorio mas limpio

2014-09-18 Thread Etemenanki
Camaleón wrote: El Thu, 18 Sep 2014 19:18:27 +0200, Antonio escribió: El 18/09/2014 a las #4, Camaleón escribió: El Thu, 18 Sep 2014 10:51:36 -0430, Jesus Narvaez escribió: (ese html...) Quiero instalar debían testing con el entorno grafico mas limpio que se pueda sin muchas cosas osea

Re: Escritorio mas limpio

2014-09-18 Thread Debia Linux
Que tal: Yo uso ICEWM y me encanta porque lo configuro a mi manera, es muy ligero, no permite (a menos que lo configures) un escritorio (mediante instalacion). Me va excelente y tengo todo muy ordenado. De verdad que lo uso de tiempo ya y acabo de instalar en esta maquina nuevamente icewm y me

Script para asignar tareas al teclado alfanumerico

2014-09-18 Thread Debia Linux
Hola Listeros: Alguna sugerencia que pudieran darme para hacer un script en bash para asignar tareas especificas al teclado alfanumerico. Me gustaria que al presionar la tecla A sonara un archivo de audio de 1 minuto de duracion. Que despues al tocar la tecla S pudiera sonar otro audio (sin que

Re: Escritorio mas limpio

2014-09-18 Thread Germán Avendaño Ramírez
El 18/09/14 16:30, Etemenanki escribió: Después, aquí tienes los metapaquetes mínimos de Plasma o Gnome: kde-plasma-desktop - KDE Plasma Desktop and minimal set of applications gnome-core - GNOME Desktop Environment -- essential components Si quiere algo aún más mínimo, con

SATA-kontrollerkort med flera interna portar?

2014-09-18 Thread Michael Kjörling
Jag går i diverse funderingar att utöka min lagringslösning, och för att på ett realistiskt sätt kunna göra det jag vill så behöver jag köpa ett SATA kontrollerkort. Krav: * Ska fungera med Debian/Linux, helst utan några binärblobbdrivare. Stor bonus om det fungerar även med andra

Re: SATA-kontrollerkort med flera interna portar?

2014-09-18 Thread Anders Wallenquist
Den 2014-09-18 11:21, Michael Kjörling skrev: Jag går i diverse funderingar att utöka min lagringslösning, och för att på ett realistiskt sätt kunna göra det jag vill så behöver jag köpa ett SATA kontrollerkort. Jag är inte heller insatt i vilka kort som fungerar väl med Linux-kärnan, det

Re: [OT] Servidor de DNS Dinâmico

2014-09-18 Thread Andre N Batista
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 09:00:50AM -0300, China wrote: Colegas, obrigado pelas dicas e estou lendo as indicações para escolher. Mais uma pergunta, o local onde instalarei é uma casa com um Servidor NAS com Debian que está conectado a Internet através do Virtua. Antigamente tinha de fazer

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

2014-09-18 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 18 September 2014 06:28:48 Don Armstrong wrote: You might also need to either do the work to help make it supported, or help enable other people to do the work. Do any work to get what they want? Heaven forfend! Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-18 Thread Mart van de Wege
Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com writes: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 11:49:52 +0200 Mart van de Wege mvdw...@gmail.com wrote: Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com writes: And last but not least is the alternative of holding your nose and using systemd. If I go that route, the first thing

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-18 Thread Bret Busby
On 18/09/2014, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, John. But we should be going OT On Thursday 18 September 2014 00:45:24 John Hasler wrote: Lisi writes: There are four countries in the United Kingdom: Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England. In roughly the same sense in

Re: Slight New Sound Problem

2014-09-18 Thread Marko Randjelovic
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 21:32:27 -0500 Martin G. McCormick mar...@server1.shellworld.net wrote: Thanks for any constructive ideas. Did you try with another kernel? Kind regards -- http://markorandjelovic.hopto.org One should not be afraid of humans. Well, I am not afraid of humans, but of what

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-18 Thread Bret Busby
On 18/09/2014, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 18/09/2014, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, John. But we should be going OT On Thursday 18 September 2014 00:45:24 John Hasler wrote: Lisi writes: There are four countries in the United Kingdom: Ireland, Scotland,

Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate

2014-09-18 Thread David L. Craig
On 14Sep18:0636+0200, Raffaele Morelli wrote: Delete key works perfectly and fast here BTW, none of the posters (spammers) is a debian developer and AFAIK it's not going to be. That given, can someone explain what's the use in those debates in which your decision making power it's less

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-18 Thread Darac Marjal
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 06:42:29AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 17 September 2014 23:14:33 Martin Read wrote: Ahem. *Northern* Ireland. *Ireland*, unqualified, is the name of the second largest of the British Isles, and of the parliamentary republic which occupies five-sixths of

Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate

2014-09-18 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 18 September 2014 08:34:49 David L. Craig wrote: You just dissed Linus Tolvalds among many, many others Where and when?? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: applications missing after dist-upgrade

2014-09-18 Thread Joe
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 15:03:27 -0700 tom arnall kloro2...@gmail.com wrote: I recently did a dist-upgrade and found afterwards that a lot of applications were missing: open office smplayer skype calibre poppler text utilities And about half a dozen more. And this was after only a few

Re: mysql command waiting endlessly (lenny)

2014-09-18 Thread berenger . morel
Le 17.09.2014 18:09, Don Armstrong a écrit : On Wed, 17 Sep 2014, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 17.09.2014 17:33, Don Armstrong a écrit : In the future, these details would be helpful. I have said in my first post: but when it connect through the mysql program, there is no

Re: Faking it with skype

2014-09-18 Thread Curt
On 2014-09-17, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: As others have pointed out - you are attempting to run Skype 32-bit on a 64-bit system. You 'can' do that - but you must enable multiarch support first. Then you'll be able to change the version number. I believe he's

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

2014-09-18 Thread Joe
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 06:51:56 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 18 September 2014 06:28:48 Don Armstrong wrote: You might also need to either do the work to help make it supported, or help enable other people to do the work. Do any work to get what they want? Heaven

Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate

2014-09-18 Thread Raffaele Morelli
On 18/09/14 at 03:34am, David L. Craig wrote: On 14Sep18:0636+0200, Raffaele Morelli wrote: Delete key works perfectly and fast here BTW, none of the posters (spammers) is a debian developer and AFAIK it's not going to be. That given, can someone explain what's the use in those

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

2014-09-18 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Mittwoch, 17. September 2014, 17:16:57 schrieb T.J. Duchene: I'm asking this on the user list not because I am trying to incite yet another debate over the merits of Systemd, but because I am assuming that the user list probably has the best chance of reaching out to the most people to get

Re: OT: Pepper Flash Crashes Everywhere

2014-09-18 Thread Carlo
Hi, Can you post here part Graphics Feature Status taken from the output of this command on chrome: chrome://gpu/ If you have a good graphic card (better if with driver dedicated) you could activate the Hardware accelerated so that PepperFlash could be more fluid. Tell us these two information

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

2014-09-18 Thread Brian
On Thu 18 Sep 2014 at 09:44:49 +0100, Joe wrote: This is the basic purpose of this whole set of threads. Is there *really* going to be a practical alternative to using systemd, and if so, will Debian support it? It is, for example, perfectly possible to use Open Office in testing or unstable

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

2014-09-18 Thread Brian
On Thu 18 Sep 2014 at 11:27:32 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: The following packages will be REMOVED: Install systemd-shim first. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

2014-09-18 Thread Iain M Conochie
snip Don't be rude. Many of us are not system programmers (some of us aren't professional programmers at all, we just use computers) but are (sometimes) able to gather enough useful information to help report or even fix a bug. But there's no point in putting any effort into reporting the kind

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

2014-09-18 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Donnerstag, 18. September 2014, 11:02:11 schrieb Brian: On Thu 18 Sep 2014 at 11:27:32 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: The following packages will be REMOVED: Install systemd-shim first. It was installed as I ran the apt commend and it still is, cause if systemd doesn´t boot I like to say

Re: applications missing after dist-upgrade

2014-09-18 Thread Martin Read
On 18/09/14 09:16, Joe wrote: You don't say which distribution this is, but it's either testing or unstable. This doesn't happen in stable, but it's fairly regular in unstable. I don't use testing, but I'd have thought this kind of thing was unusual there, as this sort of serious disturbance

Re: Slight New Sound Problem

2014-09-18 Thread Martin G. McCormick
Marko Randjelovic writes: Did you try with another kernel? Well, indirectly. As I mentioned, the system has always exhibited this behavior slightly for several years through a number of kernels. The biggest change, though, was when I changed out the conventional 10 GB hard drive for a

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-18 Thread Peter Nieman
On 18/09/14 07:42, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 17 September 2014 23:14:33 Martin Read wrote: Is it just me who's wondering why no one - no powerful list master - is trying to stop this? This exchange of whatever is really *totally* OT, if that word has any meaning at all. p.

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-18 Thread Raffaele Morelli
On 18/09/14 at 01:33pm, Peter Nieman wrote: On 18/09/14 07:42, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 17 September 2014 23:14:33 Martin Read wrote: Is it just me who's wondering why no one - no powerful list master - is trying to stop this? +1 This exchange of whatever is really

Re: word clouds

2014-09-18 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/17/2014 at 08:03 PM, Jerome BENOIT wrote: Hello List, is there any tools to generate `Word clouds' withing Debian ? Generate them where, and for what purpose? There's the 'tagcloud' package, which will generate a (presumably local) Web

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-18 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 9/18/2014 1:53 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: Sorry, John. But we should be going OT On Thursday 18 September 2014 00:45:24 John Hasler wrote: Lisi writes: There are four countries in the United Kingdom: Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England. In roughly the same sense in which there are

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-18 Thread John Hasler
Lisi writes: It is a complete misunderstanding (misinformation?) that [the countries that constitute the UK] are merely States It is a complete misunderstanding that the states that constitute the USA are merely provinces. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

2014-09-18 Thread Brian
On Thu 18 Sep 2014 at 12:41:40 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Donnerstag, 18. September 2014, 11:02:11 schrieb Brian: On Thu 18 Sep 2014 at 11:27:32 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: The following packages will be REMOVED: Install systemd-shim first. It was installed as I ran the

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-18 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
John Hasler writes: Lisi writes: It is a complete misunderstanding (misinformation?) that [the countries that constitute the UK] are merely States It is a complete misunderstanding that the states that constitute the USA are merely provinces. and none of them comes in .deb . --

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-18 Thread Darac Marjal
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 02:48:44PM +0200, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: John Hasler writes: Lisi writes: It is a complete misunderstanding (misinformation?) that [the countries that constitute the UK] are merely States It is a complete misunderstanding that the states that constitute

Re: applications missing after dist-upgrade

2014-09-18 Thread John Hasler
Martin Read writes: unstable is allowed to contain packages with RC (release-critical) bugs. testing isn't. More accurately, packages can be uploaded to Unstable without regard to dependencies. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

2014-09-18 Thread John Hasler
Why do you refuse to install systemd-shim? Just because it has systemd in the name? Providing systemd-shim or similar is really about the only thing Debian can do about upstreams deciding to make their packages dependent on Systemd. The Gnome and KDE situations would be no different if Debian

Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate

2014-09-18 Thread John Hasler
David L. Craig writes: Is this viewpoint typical of DDs? No, but the attitude is, unfortunately, quite common. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate

2014-09-18 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/18/2014 at 12:36 AM, Raffaele Morelli wrote: On 17/09/14 at 09:17am, John Hasler wrote: Mart van de Wege writes: That's funny, because I keep seeing the same names coming up. And I see the same names coming up in the anti anti systemd

Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate

2014-09-18 Thread Bzzzz
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 09:15:57 -0400 The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: [SNIP LOT OF REASONABLE THINGS (from The Wanderer)] I would add one thing to what you said, may be rants are filtered by devs (but that I doubt, intelligent people usually keep the temperature of their projects, even if

Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate

2014-09-18 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 08:06:21AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: David L. Craig writes: Is this viewpoint typical of DDs? No, but the attitude is, unfortunately, quite common. The grandparent poster isn't a DD. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

[Wheezy] PIL to Pillow migration

2014-09-18 Thread Stanislas Guerra
Hi all, Is there a recommended way to replace the PIL by Pillow (and also install Pillow without a previous PIL package installed) on a Wheezy box ? The Pillow documentation https://pillow.readthedocs.org/en/latest/installation.html says that prior to install Pillow you have to remove the PIL ;

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

2014-09-18 Thread Lisi Reisz
(Sorry, John. Mea culpa.) On Thursday 18 September 2014 14:00:45 John Hasler wrote: Why do you refuse to install systemd-shim? Just because it has systemd in the name? Providing systemd-shim or similar is really about the only thing Debian can do about upstreams deciding to make their

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-18 Thread Dan Ritter
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 08:10:17AM +0200, Mart van de Wege wrote: Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com writes: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 11:49:52 +0200 Mart van de Wege mvdw...@gmail.com wrote: Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com writes: And last but not least is the alternative of

Slight New Sound Problem

2014-09-18 Thread T.J. Duchene
Good morning, Martin! Before I can make suggestions, I need to know if you are using a daemon such as Jack or PulseAudio or if you are using ALSA directly. Thanks, T.J. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-18 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 08:10:17 +0200 Mart van de Wege mvdw...@gmail.com wrote: Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com writes: A) Twine and baling wire is better than monolithic entanglement. Yeah, after this I'm really not going to take you seriously anymore. B) If you try Daemontools, you

Jack: was Slight New Sound Problem

2014-09-18 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 09:40:56 -0500 T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote: Good morning, Martin! Before I can make suggestions, I need to know if you are using a daemon such as Jack or PulseAudio or if you are using ALSA directly. T.J (and anyone else), I really want to use Jack, but

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

2014-09-18 Thread Reco
Hi. On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:29:00 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: Someone on the TDE list has just installed a functional Sid and TDE without a sniff of systemd. Suspend isn't working yet. I haven't asked for proof! Does not seems an achievement, given that TDE is a fork

screen 0: in putty title bar

2014-09-18 Thread Aero Maxx
Hi Everyone, I'm in the process of moving from fedora to debian. But I have one question about the use of screen when I use it, the title bar in putty doesn't change like it does in fedora to show/remind me that I am in a screen, I was wondering how do I change this in debian ? Thanks

Re: screen 0: in putty title bar

2014-09-18 Thread Reco
Hi. On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 16:19:59 +0100 Aero Maxx aero.max...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm in the process of moving from fedora to debian. But I have one question about the use of screen when I use it, the title bar in putty doesn't change like it does in fedora to show/remind me

Re: screen 0: in putty title bar

2014-09-18 Thread Aero Maxx
On 18/09/2014 16:30, Reco wrote: Hi. On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 16:19:59 +0100 Aero Maxx aero.max...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm in the process of moving from fedora to debian. But I have one question about the use of screen when I use it, the title bar in putty doesn't change like it does

Jessie and Systemd integration

2014-09-18 Thread T.J. Duchene
Thanks very much, everyone. I especially appreciate the dependency information with no bias. Just the facts is always appreciated on an emotional issue such as this. The truth is that I can live with a stray library or a shim - but the rest leaves me concerned. Setting aside all of the

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

2014-09-18 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 18 September 2014 16:02:56 Reco wrote: Hi. On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:29:00 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: Someone on the TDE list has just installed a functional Sid and TDE without a sniff of systemd. Suspend isn't working yet. I haven't asked for proof!

Re: Slight New Sound Problem

2014-09-18 Thread Martin G. McCormick
T.J. Duchene writes: Good morning, Martin! Before I can make suggestions, I need to know if you are using a daemon such as Jack or PulseAudio or if you are using ALSA directly. Thanks, I am using pulseaudio and alsa. Normally, if I am listening to something it is through mplayer but

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

2014-09-18 Thread Reco
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 16:24:56 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: I hear and pass on that at least once it can, in that one person has done it, and you complain because KDE4 still needs systemd. That is *not* Debian's fault. The Debian project is not responsible for KDE4. It is

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

2014-09-18 Thread Bzzzz
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 10:22:21 -0500 T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote: From the sound of things, I'd very much like to give Debian 8 the benefit of the doubt. I'll wait and see, if there are more posts and not dismiss it entirely. Until more information comes in down the road, it

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