Re: power down and power off also?
On Saturday 23 November 2002 00:15, Sandip P Deshmukh wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 11:53:05PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: On Friday 22 November 2002 23:48, Sandip P Deshmukh wrote: hello all! is there a way in which i can make linux work in a similar way? meaning, i select halt and just have to switch off the main switch? enable power management in your kernel. thanx for help. how? i am sorry if this seems like a basic question. i am still a novice user. :) the Debian kernel ships with the ability to enabled as a boot option. otherwise when you build your own there is a section that asks about power management and turning the machine off. Sorry i can not help with exact directions I have not used the official Debian kernel in a long time. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: power down and power off also?
On Friday 22 November 2002 23:48, Sandip P Deshmukh wrote: hello all! i have a dual boot system. it is a compaq machine. when i select shutdown in windows, the power indicator also goes off. when i do similarly in linux, it shuts down everything, finally says Power Down and stays there. is there a way in which i can make linux work in a similar way? meaning, i select halt and just have to switch off the main switch? enable power management in your kernel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics of Java
On Thursday 21 November 2002 00:12, Ron Johnson wrote: On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 00:18, Kirk Strauser wrote: At 2002-11-21T05:06:49Z, Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm just curious; do other folks (particularly real developers, not just tinkerer-wanna-be's like myself) have a similar problem with Java, or have I just been channeling too much RMS lately? You're not alone. I've never felt good about Java for the same reason that I don't like dealing with proprietary software: if the vendor decides to EOL the software, I'm stuck with a glob of quickly-obsoleting mess. Sun may very well develop and maintain Java for decades to come, but they could also drop the project tomorrow and start reigning in usage of their trademark. It probably won't happen, but it *could*, and that kind of bothers me. I wonder if they (Sun) really do see themselves as a bulwark against The Evil Empire, like Gondor warring against Mordor? much more like orks v. goblins. or the European countries during the colonial era. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics of Java
On Wednesday 20 November 2002 21:06, Kent West wrote: I'm just curious; do other folks (particularly real developers, not just tinkerer-wanna-be's like myself) have a similar problem with Java, or have I just been channeling too much RMS lately? Thanks for any comments. Kent Many of us who were not forced to learn Java in college feel this way. If you are looking for an easy, fun, quick to learn language give Python a try. (not to spin this off into a huge alternate thread) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics of Java
On Wednesday 20 November 2002 22:05, Michael Kahle wrote: Interesting. I am going to have to do some reading on this. Does the fact that they control the standard prohibit others from implementing the language with other standards if they see fit? Forking the project so to speak? In theory, yes. In practice what has happened is Sun has moved faster than the people doing the white room implementation. Similar to how Wine took forever to be useful. Java is more than just a language you also have to implement and interoperate with all of the libraries. There are a couple of almost there Java implementations in the free world but there is still no replacement for Swing, Beans, etc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: irradicating a package?
On Wednesday 20 November 2002 23:19, Jan Johansson wrote: Tried a customized deb of a package (Exim), decided that it wasn't all that I wanted so I want to replace it with a stock Exim.. But I cant seem to make apt-get and/or dpkg to understand that? dpkg --purge package If this is failing, give us more info. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: irradicating a package?
On Wednesday 20 November 2002 23:30, Jan Johansson wrote: dpkg --purge package If this is failing, give us more info. argus:/etc/exim# dpkg --purge exim dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of exim: at depends on mail-transport-agent; however: Package mail-transport-agent is not installed. Package exim which provides mail-transport-agent is to be removed. mailx depends on mail-transport-agent; however: Package mail-transport-agent is not installed. Package exim which provides mail-transport-agent is to be removed. dpkg: error processing exim (--purge): dependency problems - not removing Errors were encountered while processing: exim argus:/etc/exim# then we pull out the big guns: *WARNING* dpkg --force-depends --purge exim Use this only when you KNOW for CERTAIN this is safe. In the case of exim your machine will not fall over and die because it is missing a mail server. *WARNING* For more info see dpkg --force-help. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Icons on a Blackbox Desktop
On Saturday 16 November 2002 06:03, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: -- lameth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (on Saturday, 16 November 2002, 12:57 AM -0500): How do I go about putting program icons on the Blackbox desktop? I've used both ROX-filer (there are debian packages listed on its downloads page -- go to http://rox.sourceforge.net/ for more info) and more recently iDesk (smaller and faster than ROX for icons, but not as configurable -- http://idesk.sourceforge.net). If you go for a 1.3.x version of ROX, make sure you apply the patch for blackbox support that I uploaded to the project before compiling. Regardless of version, run it with the -o option so that the icons will appear on all desktops and not spawn a process for each icon. There is also idesk which is being packaged currently and should appear in the archives soon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RFC: Caps Lock
On Sunday 10 November 2002 08:53, Thorsten Haude wrote: Hi, * Glyn Kennington [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-11-10 17:36]: So what are your thoughts about this? Is there another good use I could put caps lock to? Experiences? If you're a vi user, you may find it useful to swap it with Escape. Good thought! I'm not, however. Thorsten One of my favs is to just set it to nothing. You can accidently hit it all day and it won't change a thing. I know it is not a popular view point, but personally I strive to never customize things like the keyboard because I move from machine to machine a lot. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X - window manager - desktop
On Friday 08 November 2002 19:08, David Z Maze wrote: Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 01:01:46PM -0500, Bruce Park wrote: Now for my next question, do desktops such as gnome and kde require a specific version of window manager? Not that I know of. I've heard rumors that KDE only really works well with kwm, but this could be rather old FUD. I know GNOME publishes a set of window manager standards, and any window manager that meets these standards will work fine. Pretty much every window manager these days does, excepting really old things like twm. (fvwm might only have partial support; windowmaker, enlightenment, sawfish, etc. all have the necessary bits.) KDE follows the ewmh spec which is the same spec that GNOME 2 uses. sawfish should work just fine with KDE and kwm should work just fine with GNOME. If you do not use the panel or the desktop icons you can get away with using just about any window manager. If you do want to use either of those programs though you really need a compliant wm. last I checked window maker was not ewmh compliant but did support the old GNOME 1 spec. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to set bpp 16 as default?
On Tuesday 05 November 2002 05:56, Wathen, Metherion wrote: Thanks, I tried to put a DefaultDepth line in my XConfig file before and X just wouldnt start at all, I'll try it again tho. Is there another file I should be making these changes in? maybe Im looking in the wrong place. Ive tried commenting out the 8 bit section leaving just sections for 16, 24, and 32 bit modes - again X wouldnt start. Should I run XFSetup or some such thing again? if you are using X 4 you should be editing /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 otherwise the filename is XF86Config. Send me your file if you still can not get it to work. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wire format and wire-level ?
On Tuesday 05 November 2002 17:44, John Joe wrote: sorry, this is not Debian-specific question,but i desparately need help. could you explain wire-level in the following? In this world, the answer is to rely on the business data and communication protocol headers that define the wire-level contract between partners and to avoid the use of implementation-specific tokens for instance routing whenever possible. both of these are roughly talking about the same idea. We as humans like to make things easy for us to understand so we cover up goary details. Sometimes those details are important though. As a simple example: xml send data=My name is Bob/ to user=jane domain=hotmail.com /xml could be a real simply IM system. But there are several layers below this and in the end a TCP/IP packet is created and sent to the receiving computer. You one xml command may even be broke up into many smaller packets if it exceeded the size limit of TCP/IP. You as a programmer may not care, users definately don't. But people working on firewalls, routers, and perhaps the actual IM daemon may. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to set bpp 16 as default?
On Monday 04 November 2002 07:12, Wathen, Metherion wrote:
Hi all,
How do I set up X to default to 16 bit color depth?
Im running Debian Potato 2.2 and am running the version of XFree that
shipped with it. (sorry dont remember xf86 version #). I've tried to add
the line DefaultColorDepth 16 to my XConfig file but the server just
croaks on it. In fact I didn't see anything that indicated what the default
color depth was. :{
My video is on-board Cirrus Logic 543x with 1Mb ram (yeah I know not a lot
but should be able to do 16bit @ 800x600, at least)
Thanks in advance,
mw.
login on the console and do:
startx -- -depth 16
if that fails, you need to tweak your X setup.
Section Screen
Identifier Primary
Device MatroxG450 Primary
Monitor PanaSync/Pro P110 Left
DefaultDepth16
SubSection Display
Depth 8
Modes 1280x960 1152x864 1024x768
EndSubSection
SubSection Display
Depth 16
Modes 1280x960 1152x864 1024x768
EndSubSection
SubSection Display
Depth 24
Modes 1280x960 1152x864 1024x768
EndSubSection
EndSection
see how I have a Depth section for 8, 16 and 24. If you do not have a section
for the depth you want you can not use it. If I try to use 32 on my setup it
fails.
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Re: How to set bpp 16 as default?
On Monday 04 November 2002 08:15, Wathen, Metherion wrote: Thanks, I'll give that a go and let you know, if -depth allows you to run in 16 bit mode then the section you hilighted below is your problem. If it fails to start in 16 bit then either a) X won't run 16 bit with your card or b) there is something else mucking things up. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: restart command in wmaker
On Saturday 02 November 2002 15:00, Lance Hoffmeyer wrote: There is a menu item under exit/restart in wmaker that I use a lot. Does anyone know what the actual command this is using? Lance it creates a menu item which window maker calls internally. There is no direct access to this. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Spamassassin
On Friday 01 November 2002 13:38, Matthew Daubenspeck wrote: I recently installed spamassassin on my testing/sarge box and I am fairly happy with the results. However, my main box still runs stable/woody and I am wondering if the stable version of spamassassin works as well as the testing... TIA. as I understand it the one in unstable is better than the one in stable. However the one in unstable appears to need a different version of perl that ships in stable. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MUD Shell ... ?
On Thursday 31 October 2002 09:50, Soul Computer wrote: It would seem to me that Debian could have a Shell that looked and acted an awful lot like a MUD created, with applications representing spells and objects being added with processes representing the player characters. The directories would represent rooms in the game. Any thoughts on this? -Scwawcaac- people have done this kind of thing once or twice but they never really make it past the interesting toy phase. It sounds like a great way for you to learn more about how a shell works and to have some fun while doing it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bad interpreter
On Wednesday 30 October 2002 22:40, Dan Hunt wrote: Hi! Bad interpreter? I did edit the top of the script with the Midnight Commander edit program to remove those pesky M$ spaces or carriage returns. #!/bin/sh for CHAIN in INPUT OUTPUT FORWARD POSTROUTING PREROUTING do iptables -P $CHAIN ACCEPT iptables -F $CHAIN done /usr/bin/nice: ./doit.sh: No such file or directory Extreme Minimalist install of Woody with a stock 2.4 series kernel. Any suggestions? Happy Halloween from Sunny St. Brieux Saskatchewan Canada ;) Dan well if /bin/sh was actually busted you would probably have noticed by now. Do you actually have the iptables command? What happens if you run: sh doit.sh? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: way indulgent on my part--was Re: paint
On Tuesday 29 October 2002 02:29, ben wrote: colin, thanks for the response, but given that a huge majority of the spam that makes its way through the list filters emanates from .cn, .tw, and .kr domains, where there are obviously huge relay holes, what does it take to have the list's spam guardians address the issue? the spam pollution on the list has increased hugely over the last six months. who's responsible for the filter? i'm not assuming that there's no filtering; rather wondering if the filterer is keeping up with current degree of infiltration. if i can help with that task, let me know how. ben the lists were only fairly recently switched to spamassassin. We are currently using a slightly out of date version because the server we are running it on does not have all of the depends for the latest version. That is being looked into presently. Secondly, look at the header of each mail and there is a spamassassin added to each one. So you can further filter the mail. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Q: Debian, fvwm, virtual desktops and howto place specific programs at startup
On Tuesday 29 October 2002 08:39, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: In blackbox, there's two tools, bblaunch and bbappconf, that can configure which workspace (note: *not* virtual desktop) a program starts on. A patch for bbappconf, located at http://xor.orodu.netbb/bbappconf.move_resize_fix_iconify.patch also allows you to specify geometry for an application that doesn't have a --geometry option. I *don't know* if either of these tools work with other window managers. They might be worth looking into, however. no, they don't. They are currently written only for blackbox. They will be ported to netwm/ewmh soon. However, last I checked fvwm did not support ewmh yet and instead still used its own protocol. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: two more architectures?
On Sunday 27 October 2002 20:16, Justin Ryan wrote: you are also assuming Debian devels have access to such hardware. I am personally still using a pII 400. Our users tend to have better hardware than we do these days. IANAD, but afaik all source packages are/can be built on all available archs using debian's machines.. One maintainer mentioned recently that his package built on the Debian/s390 although he had no direct access to such a machine. Flame me if I'm wrong ;p -Justin you are correct. It would however mean finding two more machines to be autobuilders and maintaining them as well. Plus as Colin mentioned the extra mirror space. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: two more architectures?
On Sunday 27 October 2002 16:16, Colin Watson wrote: On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 07:43:02PM -0400, Oleg wrote: Colin Watson wrote: You get most of the speed increases by recompiling a very small number of things. This is true for applications in the following wording you get most of the speed increase by optimizing small parts of the program. For something like Debian however, you can't possibly know in advance where the users' bottleneck will happen to be. BTW, Gentoo users say their systems feel a lot faster overall. That's probably because they're using gcc 3.2 and ELF prelinking already (at a guess). This is coming to Debian, but requires more transitional work. Anyway, feel doesn't wash. Every time this comes up the answer is to request a real benchmark: to my knowledge the only time someone's ever provided one is in the case of openssl, which nowadays in unstable has versions optimized for a number of processes. You also have to find out what options they compiled with and against what libraries. Debian may link in more functionality or use a slighlty less optimized (for CPU anyway) version. I have also seen that Mandrake (and perhaps others) use the optimized glibc we used to ship. We found it to cause stability problems. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: `gnome-approved' dark-background theme for gnome 2?
On Monday 28 October 2002 19:14, Miles Bader wrote: However, I don't know whether the problem lies with the them or with buggy apps (I've encounted many apps before that use the wrong fg color, which is only noticable if you've got a theme very different from the default), so I'm wondering if anyone knows of a `dark' theme that's been approved for use with gnome 2.0, or that at least works for somebody... * I've got the following gtk2 theme engine packages installed: i gtk2-engines-crux - GTK+2.0 Crux theme engine i gtk2-engines-lighthouseblue - LighthouseBlue theme for GTK+ 2.0 i gtk2-engines-metal - Metallic theme for GTK+ 2.x i gtk2-engines-mist - A flat theme for GTK+ 2.x i gtk2-engines-pixbuf - Pixbuf-based theme for GTK+ 2.x i gtk2-engines-thinice- ThinIce theme for GTK+ 2.0 http://themes.freshmeat.net, check out the gtk section. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: two more architectures?
On Sunday 27 October 2002 08:49, Oleg wrote: Hi Why doesn't Debian add two more architectures: P4 and Athlon4? A bit more space will be used on Debian mirrors, but the bandwidth will not increase (unless more people start using Debian) and the extra maintenance in most cases will be limited to CPU-specific compiler options. The obvious advantage is the speed increase from better optimizations. Cheers, Oleg you are also assuming Debian devels have access to such hardware. I am personally still using a pII 400. Our users tend to have better hardware than we do these days. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ogg Vorbis encoder speed
On Saturday 26 October 2002 07:29, Larry W.Irwin Sr. wrote: Hi, I am trying out the jack cd ripper program and using oggenc as the encoder. It reads music tracks at 5.0x but encodes at 0.1x. Is that normal for ogg? Jack is set to use one encoder at a time. My machine: 475 Mhz AMD K-6 96 Mb ram 20 gig HD Debian Woody using 2.4.18-k6 kernel Thanks, Larry on a 1.6ghz machine with 512mb of memory I was ripping cds at about 10 - 15 minutes a piece. Maybe that will help your speed comparison. One possibility would be for you to recompile the oggenc program with as much optimization as you can for your hardware. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Whats happened to Arch web site
On Saturday 26 October 2002 10:16, Alan Chandler wrote: I have been looking at what source version control system I could use to sync with a repository on my home network but also work offline on my laptop whilst on my travels. Arch looks a good bet - but I am nervous. Although debian unstable has a version 1.0pre16, it is dated May 2002 and all attempts to find Arch's home on the net seem to fail http://www.regexps.com seems to be broken. Does anyone know - is the project still alive -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Whats happened to Arch web site
On Saturday 26 October 2002 10:16, Alan Chandler wrote: I have been looking at what source version control system I could use to sync with a repository on my home network but also work offline on my laptop whilst on my travels. Arch looks a good bet - but I am nervous. Although debian unstable has a version 1.0pre16, it is dated May 2002 and all attempts to find Arch's home on the net seem to fail http://www.regexps.com seems to be broken. Does anyone know - is the project still alive the maintainer has had money problems nad has been out of work for a while. I believe he was looking for someone else to pick up the project, at least temporarily. I unsubscribed from his list after getting fed up with his constant pleas for money. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HD size limit ?
On Friday 25 October 2002 07:58, Kevin Coyner wrote: Is there a limit to the size of a IDE hard drive that Debian/Linux can accomodate? I.e. there are some pretty good deals now on 120GB IDE hard drives. I just want to make sure I'm not buying something that I cannot use 'easily'. Thanks Kevin The OS should be fine with it. Your computer's bios may not recognize something that big. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Semi-OT]: Dual Head Laptop?
On Friday 25 October 2002 09:21, Gary Hennigan wrote: I know the G400 AGP works fine in a workstation using X in Xinerama, which is my current setup, but I'd like to be more confident it'd work with a G450 PCI in a docking-station application before I recommend. I am using one of these in a workstation with no issues. Not aware of a laptop solution though. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Reasons why few takers on MS Open Source
On Friday 25 October 2002 11:06, Kent West wrote: I understand that one of the the reasons that Microsoft's Open Source program has had few takers is because Microsoft's license is viral (to borrow MS's term for the GPL); once you see their code, there's a risk that any code you develop thereafter could be tainted. Does anyone have any links to more info to this effect, or have any opinions? I've basically told someone the above, and now need to document it somewhat. Thanks! Kent I recall this discussion on slashdot and seem to remember that they pointed to some other people's writeups on the situation. The executive summary goes like this: Programmer A sees the code to MS foo. A year later while working on a project (open or not) he ends up implementing something resembling foo. MS now claims copyright/trademark on the code. This sounds reasonable until you realize that their code covers just about any type of software you intend to work on later, especially if they are giving access to the OS guts. That could stop you from working on any OS later. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: e-mail question
On Thursday 24 October 2002 07:08, Rodney Green wrote: Hello! Does anyone know of a mail server package that allows user accounts to be the same as the e-mail address? So, [EMAIL PROTECTED] would both be the e-mail address and the username to download mail. Thanks, Rod that's pretty much the way all of them work (-: -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: digitising cd collection with ogg vorbis
On Thursday 24 October 2002 13:53, Jamin W.Collins wrote: - How to store the files (on disk I guess, but in some kind of hierarchy with category etc?) I do \Artist\Album\tracknum-trackname.ogg I'm just wondering if any of you have some experience on this? Yep, did it for all my CDs. Even have a short script that will walk the directories and create playlists for all the CDs. I used 'abcde' but have heard good things about Jack. My usual storage is: Artist/Album/artist_-_trackname.ogg and let the track number be stored as a comment in the ogg. I find just using trackname makes it too easy to confuse songs by different artists. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: installing a prepackaged kernel
On Wednesday 23 October 2002 09:17, Robert Kratky wrote: hi, i'm probably missing something. could you please direct me to a place in the documentation where it is explained how to update your kernel using the prepackaged images. my situation is this: i installed woody using the bf2.4 kernel (2.4.18) and now i need to install the ALSA packages which, however, requires me to have one of those kernel-image packages installed. even though i don't need a new kernel, i'd happily comply, if only it could be done so that i wouldn't have to configure my system all over again (e.g. the graphics driver from nvidia). thanks, robert install the alsa-source package and build it against the kernel you built. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Real-time window manager switching
On Wednesday 23 October 2002 14:22, csj wrote: So, is there a shell command sequence which I can type into an xterm to replace Ratpoison with another WM, while keeping my other X clients still running? I need the equivalent of a re-startx. while I hack on blackbox what I usually do is start X so that a term window is the controlling window and not the window manager. When I change something or fix a bug I just exit the wm and start it back up. If I know I need gdb I usually run the wm from a second console so that way I can switch to it, debug, restart and switch back to X. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Travel in china (Was:*****SPAM***** We help you to realize the dream of travelling in China)
On Tuesday 22 October 2002 01:17, Corrin Lakeland wrote: On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SPAM: Start SpamAssassin results Sorry, I know this is offtopic, but does anybody know where (apart from spam) you can find out about travel to China? I'm looking for an English based cooking course and I've tried web searches with little to no success. To be honest I had to restrain myself from replying to the spam on the grounds I cannot bring myself to encourage spammers. Corrin ideas: track down a good cooking school in your area, they might be able to help contact a good travel agency, they may also be able to help -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need help with scripting
On Thursday 17 October 2002 21:32, Shawn Lamson wrote: good job... one question... should it be $@ instead of $@? ie. what if he had spaces in the filenames... you could add a mv $file `echo $file | tr _` to turn all spaces in the filename into underscores as the first line of the loop to handle that. right before base=`basename $file .mp3` I was not trying to completely solve the problem, just lead down the path. Finding the bugs is the fun part (-: -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Live CD and Package Licenses
On Friday 18 October 2002 10:23, Jamin W.Collins wrote: I've put together a Live CD for the Sony VAIO C1VN that I would like to release to the public, and would like to make sure that I'm not doing something wrong. I don't think I am, but I would like to be sure. The areas of concern that I've come up with so far are: - Licensing - Package pool section (normal vs non-US) provided you used only the contents of main the licensing should not be an issue. That is the whole point of main. The only possible caveat would be if the cd contained a package which had something like the old apache advertising license. If you added items from non-free or contrib you should check over those licenses. As for the non-US stuff this may be more complex. I am not sure of what you have to do here. It may be required that you notify the US gov't or perhaps Debian's work here makes it so you do not need to. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Gamers/Developers
On Friday 18 October 2002 15:17, Bijan Soleymani wrote: Java really is a poor choice for Debian as the implementations of Java by Sun and Ibm are proprietary and aren't included in Debian. this is a very valid argument and really the clincher for me. Java IS owned by Sun and whoever uses it are at Sun's whim. Also byte-compiled code is quite slow. Compilling the code kind of defeats it's purpose as c++ would be better in that case. IMHO g++ is more mature than gjc (gnu java compiler). this however is no longer really true. The Java apps I have used were slow to launch but behaved just like any other C/C++ program once running. The old argument about java's speed are as valid as the old arguments against writing C++ code on Unix. Time and software have changed and the hardware has also caught up. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to remove Gnome2
On Wednesday 16 October 2002 13:25, Michael P. Soulier wrote: On 16/10/02 Larry W.Irwin Sr. did speaketh: I did an apt-get install Gnome2 today and wish that I had not. It appears to be far too large and slow for my 475 Mhz 96Mb system. Gnome is too large and slow for most supercomputers. I would like to go back to Gnome 1.4 but don't know how. I searched the mailing list archive and found nothing. Just remove the packages? apt-get --purge remove package Mike his question is what to remove. grab deborphan and play around with it, should be helpful. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT]: Sort-of. What's the best way to contribute
On Wednesday 16 October 2002 14:58, deFreese, Barry wrote: Since my posts usually get ignored we'll see what happens with this one. :-) Since I don't have a great deal of money yet (When I win the lottery I promise to send big checks to Debian and Samba!! :-) ) what is the best way to contribute to the open source community? I've poked around on sourceforge to see if I could lend a hand but many of the projects that I found are probably a little over my head at this juncture. The initiative here is two-fold. 1) submit useful bug reports. 2) read existing bugs reports and offer help, suggestions, etc. Often developers are unable to reproduce a bug and it is much harder to solve a bug you can not see. 3) write tutorials, howtos, web docs, etc. Write a puff piece for freshmeat, slashdot, etc. 4) join mailing lists and help out those just starting. Read what other people say. You can learn a lot this way. 5) find a bug that is bothering you and try to fix it. Focus just on it. If it is obviously too hard of a bug see if you can find a smaller one. Alternatively try to add in a feature you are missing. Again start small. I always tell people on this list that a few helpful bug reports more than pays a new user's entrance fee into Debian. Same goes for upstream software. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Blender (non-non-free) packages
On Wednesday 16 October 2002 05:33, Alvaro Figueroa wrote: It's probably a bit too soon, but does anyone knows if there are debian packages for the recently gpl'ed Blender? Even non-free packages won't do me mutch good... I'm a debian-sparc user. not just yet. Compiling it is a real headache at the moment. But i would be surprised if it takes more than 2 or 3 weeks. Personally I am waiting for the next release or so to try again. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Do debian-users get spammed a lot?
On Monday 14 October 2002 19:52, Leo Spalteholz wrote: On Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:39:23 -0400 Levi Waldron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (20-30 per day!). Is this probably just a coincidence, or does debian-user get trolled/web-botted a lot? No problem here. I've been subscribed for over a year and have only gotten about 5 items of spam total on this address. No filtering either. Just a coincidence I think. Leo I belive the more you post the more spam you get. I know I get a ton of it (metric or US) daily. I am also currently on 25+ public lists. You just learn to be good with the filters and fast on the delete key. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How does LILO work...
On Tuesday 15 October 2002 07:19, Price, Erik wrote: I installed Debian a few weeks ago, then installed SuSE on top of it (keeping the partition setup I had created during the Debian install). SuSE installed a boot loader for me, so that whenever I start the computer I get to choose between Linux and Windows (and Linux Safe Mode, though I'm not familiar with that). Now I've reinstalled Debian (still keeping the original partition setup). Two questions: 1) If I choose Linux from the current, SuSE-installed LILO, will that actually boot up my new Debian installation? Or does LILO somehow remember that it's looking for SuSE? (If it matters, the LILO screen shows the SuSE logo still, would be nice to replace that with the Debian whorl.) lilo writes a bit out in the boot section which is how it knows what to load. If the kernel changes you really should run lilo again. This will also remove the SuSE logo (not sure how to get the Debian one in its place, I am sure some searching will answer that). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IRC
On Tuesday 15 October 2002 13:25, john gennard wrote: I'd like to try using IRC. There seems a wide variety of programs available and I wonder what is the one most commonly chosen by list members. I'm running Woody. Thanks. John. depends on how you like them to look (-: Some people like console based chat programs the two most common are bitchx and epic. Personally I use xchat which is GTK+ based, seems pretty popular. In the end I would suggest you try a bunch and make your own choice. It does not affect your ability to chat it simply affects how you perceive it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gui c/c++ programming
On Tuesday 15 October 2002 18:37, Kevin Coyner wrote: I've recently took a college level course in beginning C, and then a follow-on course in C and C++. I enjoyed learning the basics of the languages and now want to pursue it further. One of the things I'd like to be able to do is put together simple programs so that the user of the program can execute the program from a GUI rather than CLI. At this point all I know is CLI programming. So, can anyone point out what they think the best toolsets are for learning how to write GUI interfaces in C/C++? So far I've found that Qt seems to have a lot geared towards the beginner. Am I correct in that assumption? I also like the fact that programs written in Qt are portable to other platforms. Just looking for some color on how to get started in this area. Thanks Kevin Most of the linux GUI work is done in C. This stems from a) unix was traditionally C and b) anything can link to C libs. I have one problem with QT -- it is all or nothing. Not only do you get a UI you also get QTs equivalent of the STL. This means that you are learning an API which is only good for QT programming. Personally I find C++ a great fit for GUI programming. The blackbox window manager which I work on is written in C++. We use just raw Xlib so it is like coding the UI in asm, kinda rough. On Linux I have not found a nice GUI toolkit that meshed well with C++. Although I keep meaning to give wxWindows a look, it is supposed to be quite nice and also have bindings for perl, python, etc. Speaking of which, if you like OO coding in C++ you really ought to give python a look. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what packages can be safely removed?
On Monday 14 October 2002 10:04, Jason Wojciechowski wrote: martin f krafft wrote: | is there a method of knowing that packages that can be safely removed? | typically, these will be packages on which no other packages depend. | | install deborphan and run it. I'm a fan of debfoster, myself. debfoster is an active system. You say what you want and it tracks that for you. deborphan looks at your current system and tells you of any packages which are installed but nothing depends on. The two compliment each other. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: subversion equivalent of 'cvs update -C'
On Monday 14 October 2002 17:11, Colin Watson wrote: On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 03:01:21PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: Does subversion have an equivalent to the command 'cvs update -C', i.e. overwrite locally modified files with the current ones from the repository? At least from experimentation and reading through the code, it appears not to. So far I've just been doing the old hack of removing the files and running 'svn update'. Perhaps file an issue at subversion.tigris.org to ask that 'svn update -f' do this? how annoying, I use that feature of cvs quite often. nah that was a bad idea, revert. Damn shame it should be moving forward not removing useful features. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Happy Hacking + Emacs keybindings have changed in the last week
On Thursday 10 October 2002 09:47, Kirk Strauser wrote: I use a Happy Hacking Lite keyboard with my Debian/sid system. In the last week, Emacs 21 quit responding to the left and right diamond keys as meta and started treating them as super. From my ~/.Xmodmap, which hasn't changed in over two years: keycode 131 = Meta_L keycode 129 = Meta_R I have not touched a config file on my system recently, although I've dist-upgrade'd several times recently. Anyone know of any changes that would have caused this to happen, and/or how to get my old Emacs bindings back? sounds like the X 4.2 ate my meta key problem. See the X changelog. Search for 'meta'. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Command line utility to put stdin into the X 'current selection' clipboard
On Thursday 10 October 2002 11:18, Crispin Wellington wrote: Is there a shell utility that can take stdin and put it into an X clipboard. The 'current selection' clipboard would be ideal, but any of the X Clipboard's would suffice. For example ls | someutility and then middle mouse click (or ctrl-v) somewhere else to paste the text? Thanks Crispin Wellington apt-get install xclip ls | xclip -in middle click (-: -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to configure gcc to compile with i386 arch type by default...or is it already
On Thursday 10 October 2002 11:26, Walter Tautz wrote: even if I'm on a pentium machineI would like to do this in a config file not on the command line. Actually looking iat gcc -v Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-linux/2.95.4/specs gcc version 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease) and having a look at the file suggest it DOES compile by default for i386 architecture? Is the a correct assumption? under Debian this is true. To be sure you can pass it a -m option I think. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for a special type of editor
On Wednesday 09 October 2002 12:23, Kent West wrote: I am beta testing an application, and I need an easy way of recording (and timestamping) everything I do. Any ideas? store the config/source code/etc in cvs. Lets you roll back a version, give a special name to a version, etc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MUA that supports MH-folders?
On Wednesday 09 October 2002 15:01, Jens Grivolla wrote: Hi, I have been using sylpheed but would like to change because of a few small inconveniences (e.g. no freely editable From:, seemingly messed up line wrap in sylpheed claws, ...) However, I have been unable to import my Folders into any of the MUAs that claim to support MH (such as balsa, tkrat, ...) except exmh. My .mh_profile seems to be ok. I googled around, but nobody seems to have any problems. What am I doing wrong? All I want is to say start from here and import the entire hierarchy. Thanks for any hints. Bye, Jens I have been using kmail with good success. To switch over I wrote a simple python script which converted my mail from MH to maildir which seems to be a better supported format. If you like I could send it to you in private mail. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt questions
On Tuesday 08 October 2002 12:36, Bruce Park wrote: Hello all, I'm a newbie in this debian world so please be patient with me. I'm trying to undestand everything about debian before I can install them and I was hoping that some one can answer my question. It seems that debian has three ways to install packages. 1) dpkg 2) apt 3) dselect My question is, when I first install the debian system, it scanned several cds to update it's database for apt. If I start using apt, will it know which cd to get the packages from? Will it also take care of any dependencies that it may have? For example, if I installed the apache webserver or the gnome desktop, will it install the appropritate packages that it needs for it to run? dpkg is the underlying package interface. Everything else calls it. apt is a program which knows where packages are and how to get them. dselect is a visual representation of the package list and also provides an easier way to handle depends/conflicts/etc. It uses apt for the downloading/retrieving and apt in turn uses dpkg to actually install the software. As long as the cd is listed in /etc/apt/sources.list and you run 'apt-get update' apt should be able to install off of the cd and to ensure the proper depends are installed and handled. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UnitedLinux and Debian
On Monday 07 October 2002 07:41, Marcelo Chiapparini wrote: Hello! I am concerned about the future of UnitedLinux (UL). The idea of Conectiva, SuSe, Caldera and TurboLinux is to define new standards trough UL. How this will affect the rest of the Linux world, the non commercial one? Will the distributions which not adopt the UL standards become more and more unpopular? How UL will affect the impact of Debian in the community? TIA! Marcelo United Linux does not make standards for the Linux community, the Free Standards Group does via things like the LSB. United Linux is simply (yes, oversimplification to follow) about a group of companies working together to reduce cost and increase profits. If this affects us it is because they may start to erode Red Hat's dominance. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MUD Game Engines
On Monday 07 October 2002 08:00, Soul Computer wrote: I was wondering if anyone would know where I could find MUD game engines for Linux. Please Reply All when you reply to make certain I get any information you send my way. Thank you very much for any help you can give me. by looking at the games section of the archive perhaps. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: locales
On Monday 07 October 2002 19:55, Matt Price wrote: Hi, can someone explain to me what locales are for and how to set them? I'm having some problems in openoffice which seem to be related to locale issues... there's a man entry for setlocale, which I would have thought to have been the right command, but debian doesn't find the command when I lok for it (even as sudo). in any case, I don't really understnad the locale thing and would love to know more about what its function is supposed to be. thaqnksm uch, matt locales is how Linux (and other Unix systems) allow programs to display text in different languages. setlocale is in man3 which means it is a function call in the standard library, not a stand alone program. Perhaps you could send the errors you are receiving to this list and someone here might know the solution. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: File Manager Suggestions?
On Thursday 03 October 2002 08:18, Michael Olds wrote: Something that works like Windows Explorer, with full details in the right hand window (permissions/users/groups). Actually Gentoo looks very good, if I can get the thing installed. gentoo is packaged, just apt-get it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Headers in this ML
On Thursday 03 October 2002 08:54, Richard Kimber wrote: On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:17:57 +0100 Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would advise filtering on the X-Mailing-List: header, not To: or Cc:, if the latter is what you're doing. This should be reliable. Thanks, but there wasn't such a header in the message. No reference to the list at all, yet at the bottom of the message there was the usual To UNSUBSCRIBE etc. It's obviously a one-off and not a basic change. A bit odd. - Richard. What probably happened is they hit Reply-All and sent it as the unsubscribe. So a message came here and one came to you directly from some other message you sent. If it did not have a list header it did not actually come from the list. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Emacs and ALT Key in New Debian Installation
On Wednesday 02 October 2002 07:31, Elizabeth Barham wrote: Does the left Alt key work and not the right Alt key? Is it possible that the Window keys work in place of the Alt key? You may want to look at the configuration for the x keymap in /etc/X11/xkb, such as /etc/X11/xkb/keycodes/xfree86 and also in /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/alt. Elizabeth indeed. On my machine the windows key functions as meta and alt is alt. I just wish that the person who maintains the console tools would make a similar change so meta is always meta and alt was always alt. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sound but no sound
On Wednesday 02 October 2002 09:38, Rick Pasotto wrote: Sound is working in that I get gnome desktop sound events but other programs like xmms or mp3blaster or freeamp just hang. I'm current on testing (sid). Sound used to work properly so some upgrade changed something but I have no clue what. What do I have set wrong? Where do I check? GNOME uses esound to allow multiple programs to send audio data. You need to enable esd support in these other programs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sound but no sound
On Wednesday 02 October 2002 10:12, Rick Pasotto wrote: On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 09:46:47AM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: On Wednesday 02 October 2002 09:38, Rick Pasotto wrote: Sound is working in that I get gnome desktop sound events but other programs like xmms or mp3blaster or freeamp just hang. I'm current on testing (sid). Sound used to work properly so some upgrade changed something but I have no clue what. What do I have set wrong? Where do I check? GNOME uses esound to allow multiple programs to send audio data. You need to enable esd support in these other programs. How do I do that? Is that a gnome setting or does each individual program need to be told? I didn't spot 'esd' anywhere in the xmms preferences nor do I see anything in the gnome sound control panel. It is per app. In xmms look for the output plugin control. You may need to install a xmms-esd or xmms-esound package. I do not use esound (or GNOME) but I have seen it come up enough on this list to have learned the answer (-: -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Perhaps Linux will set the hardware standards?
On Wednesday 02 October 2002 12:45, Kent West wrote: In other words, perhaps some day the developers can say Here's the interface specs; make your hardware work with it if you want to sell your cards. Pipe dream? Fantasy? Stupid innovation-stifling idea? Good idea? What? Kent All of the above (-: The Xfree people do not care about the cards interface as long as they are GIVEN the interface. The current state of hidden access is more than annoying. But given the current laws and corporate actions, it is only going to get worse. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Real Problem With Debian
On Tuesday 01 October 2002 15:45, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: it is too bad some of the corporate customer comes first mentality didn't get into Debian. I donated $4 to Debian, more then many can claim, I guess I got EXACTLY what I paid for. Good luck to all of you, and thanks again. I like to say Debian is your second Linux distribution. So go and enjoy Mandrake and get used to the system. I have a feeling you'll be back sooner or later. This is a very true statement about Debian. It is for the person who wants a little more out of their computer or who wants to learn a little more. Rick's comment about customer comes first is a true one, however not in the way he means. Debian's customer is the competent computer user who is looking for a little more control, accessbility or even perhaps has political motives (Debian is about freedom). We try to help the new user and as others commented things have actually improved a lot since I started 4+ years ago. Rick, thanks for trying. It does not help you today but every failed install, every unhappy user does change Debian. Just like bugs that are reported eventually get fixed all of the little annoyances also get solved. In the end Linux is about choice. Free software is about choice. You evaluated some solutions and made that choice. At least one of the free systems worked for you and you did not have to return to proprietary operating systems and software. As a Debian developer I would like to say thanks for your message and your time. Some other newbie will benefit from it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get and /tmp
On Monday 30 September 2002 08:54, Robert James Kaes wrote: Hello, My /tmp directory is located on it's own partition and mounted as rw,noexec,nosuid. This is a problem for apt-get, which tries to run the preconfigure scripts for a deb from /tmp/config.*. Is there any way to tell apt-get to place the configure scripts in a different location? -- Robert not that I am aware of. The usual idiom is to simply remount the partition, run apt and then remount the partition again. Same thing applies to people who like to have /usr mounted read only. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE2 helloworld.cpp
On Monday 30 September 2002 16:55, John Batistic wrote: I am unable to compile the KDE2 helloworld.cpp example error message from make: g++-c -o helloworld.o helloworld.cpp helloworld.cpp:2: qapplication.h: No such file or directory helloworld.cpp:3: qlabel.h: No such file or directory helloworld.cpp:4: qstring.h: No such file or directory make: *** [helloworld.o] Error 1 There appear to be two problems. 1. $HOME/.profile is not being processed. PATH is not modified to the new settings as per the 'installing Qt/X11' reference documentation. 2. If I force .profile with '. .profile' PATH etc are modified - but ignored. Any suggestions? Thanks John Batistic You do not state so let's start at the beginning. Do you have the -dev version of the kdelibs as well as qt installed? Rather than depend on environment variables I usually define the path to my include files in a makefile. Also Debian is a little different because we actually install qt so that /usr/include/qt exists so you should not really need any special variables set. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE2 helloworld.cpp
On Monday 30 September 2002 19:04, Tom Cook wrote: #include qt/qapplication.h #include qt/qlabel.h #include qt/qstring.h then you should be able to compile with: g++ -c -o helloworld.o helloworld.cpp Note also that the usual (proper?) way of naming C++ source is *.cc or *.cxx, not *.cpp like M$ do. Tom actually cpp is a valid and common extension. In fact both qt and kde use it for their own projects. I happen to use .cc but no use getting into a naming scuffle. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GCC 3.2 and STLport on Woody
On Friday 27 September 2002 17:57, Oleg wrote: Hi Are there any compatible debs for GCC 3.2 and STLport that I can use on Woody? I tried installing using the sources, but apparently there are some issues (perhaps the ABI change) Why do you need STLPort? The STL in the 3.2 library is quite good. Compiling 3.2 under woody should be easy enough and pbuilder can help ensure any requirements do not break your box. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GCC 3.2 and STLport on Woody
On Friday 27 September 2002 22:08, Oleg wrote: On Friday 27 September 2002 11:40 pm, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: On Friday 27 September 2002 17:57, Oleg wrote: Hi Are there any compatible debs for GCC 3.2 and STLport that I can use on Woody? I tried installing using the sources, but apparently there are some issues (perhaps the ABI change) Why do you need STLPort? The STL in the 3.2 library is quite good. Compiling 3.2 under woody should be easy enough and pbuilder can help ensure any requirements do not break your box. STLport provides a checked implementation of STL, GCC doesn't. Also, have you ever benchmarked C++ streams in GCC? streams have never been the slow part of my programs (-: I can understand the desire for checked containers though. My answer remains the same -- should be easy to compile both under woody, especially using pbuilder. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recent leadsmaster spammer
On Thursday 26 September 2002 08:27, Mike Dresser wrote: Saaay, what's the point at which I become harassing if I start faxing dumb spammers like the one that just hit debian-bugs? I faxed him a nice STOP SPAMMING YOU STUPID SPAMMER. I should have done it white text on black background though. Mike Just remember that fax spamming is illegal EVERYWHERE and you are easily traced. Being sued by a spammer would suck. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recent leadsmaster spammer
On Thursday 26 September 2002 08:56, Mike Dresser wrote: On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: Just remember that fax spamming is illegal EVERYWHERE and you are easily traced. Being sued by a spammer would suck. I hate to use a spammer's arguments, but I'm not actually SPAMMING, per say.. Just harassment(which is illegal as you say) Somehow I doubt the two pages I sent is going to bug him :) And maybe he'll be stupid enough to add our fax number here to his fax list, cause that would get him in trouble with the.. FTC? Mike ftc or fcc I forget which. Just being a voice of reason (-: -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Konqueror slowness
On Thursday 26 September 2002 12:30, Mark Roach wrote: Konqueror takes an extremely long time to load pages on my system compared to mozilla/galeon. Has anyone had a similar problem? I went to theregister in konq and then while it was loading, I lanched galeon, loaded the site and came back and started typing this before konqueror loaded the site (~17 seconds just for the main content area showed up). Reload takes roughly the same amount of time. I don't remember that having been the case in the past, and couldn't find anyone else reporting this problem (everyone always talks about konq being fast). Any thoughts on what I might have done to upset it? I am using the 3.0.3 debs from the kde site. -Mark I find the very first launching to be slow but after that I browse about as fast as mozilla. Sometimes one is faster depending on the site but they seem pretty close here on my pentium II 400. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Remote package management?
On Wednesday 25 September 2002 11:11, Carl Johnson wrote: I want to set up a rescue/administration filesystem on an extra partition, but I would like to be able to install packages without rebooting into that filesystem. I already found that dpkg will handle that with the --root option, but I would like to work at a little higher level. I haven't found anything similar in apt-get, aptitude, or dselect. Does anybody have any suggestions on other ways to accomplish this, or are there other tools that I haven't discovered yet? Thanks. man chroot and look into using it. Should do all of what you need. After that to get really neat and spiffy you could try using user-mode linux which actually runs another copy of linux like an emulator. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Three monitors with X?
On Tuesday 24 September 2002 08:54, Ramon Kagan wrote: Hi, Is it possible to have three monitors working at the same time? Can you have Screen Screen1 LeftOf Screen2 Screen Screen2 LeftOf Screen3 Screen Screen3 in XF86Config-4? yep. Should work just fine. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Metacity and Sticky apps
On Saturday 21 September 2002 07:53, christophe barbe wrote: I am trying metacity and find it very nice. One thing that I find missing is the ability to set an application as sticky so I can see it on all desktop (It's for gkrellm). Is it possible with metacity ? Christophe At least in 2.4.1 I see code to support sticky windows. But I do not use the wm so I can not tell you how. Surely there are docs to read? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Metacity and Sticky apps
On Saturday 21 September 2002 08:15, christophe barbé wrote: I forgot to say that on the left button of the window, in the menu there is a Put on all workplace. But gkrellm has fortunately no decoration. Also metacity doesn't memorize this property. I hope there is a way to set it up permanently for a given app. OH. That changes things. metacity will support gkrellm asking to be omnipresent, you just have to get gkrellm to do it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: package clean
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 16:08, Tom Allison wrote: Is there anything that will find unused / zero dependency libraries and the like and prompt them for removal? Here's the problem. I install one package, which brings in 12 dependencies. I uninstall the one package, but the 12 dependencies remain... deborphan does a good job at this. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Grammar Checker in Linux
On Wednesday 18 September 2002 06:52, Sebastian Canagaratna wrote: Hi: I wonder if any of you know of a grammar checker available for linux in English. A Google search didn't give me anything for english, neither did www.linux.org Have any. there are not a lot of options unfortunately. You can try the GNU diction package. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where to look up %20-like chars for use with HTML?
On Wednesday 18 September 2002 09:35, Andre Berger wrote:
I have to mask a in a URL (HTML 4.01 Transitional, text/html;
charset=utf-8) that pointing to a CGI script; amp; doesn't work.
You can mask special characters a la %20 in HTML. What encoding is
this, and where can I find a listing?
It is the ascii number for the symbol in hexidecimal. Since I use python here
is a quick demo with it:
$ python
ord(' ')
32
hex(32)
'0x20'
ord('')
38
hex(38)
'0x26'
So %26 should give you a '' character.
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Re: need advice on building packages from source
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 14:40, Cameron Matheson wrote: I dont' really want to build everything from source (that takes way too long on my k6-2), but i was thinking maybe compiling glibc, moz, (g|bz)ip, etc might be a good thing... what would be the best way to go about this? two packages: pbuilder and pentium-builder. One makes a chroot for compiling apps in the other wraps gcc and causes it to use machine level optimizations. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gcc-3.2 on a testing box
On Friday 06 September 2002 06:48, John Schmidt wrote: Hi, I am nervous about the removal of modutils and modconf and the update of binutils libc6 libc6-dev libgcc1 locales. Will this mess up my current testing development enviroment or are the dependencies such that things will just work? no modutils/modconf means any kernel modules will become unhappy, probably a bad thing. binutils should be safe to upgrade and is definately required. What you could do is compile the new gcc locally so it does not require the libc upgrade. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cal
On Friday 06 September 2002 10:56, Marvin J. Kosmal wrote: Hi Gang Why can't I do apt-get install cal It tells me there is no cal I thought calendar was a standard function??? TIA Marvin $ auto-apt search bin/cal usr/sbin/callback comm/mgetty usr/X11R6/bin/calctool non-free/math/calctool usr/bin/calibrate_ppa text/pnm2ppa usr/bin/calendarutils/bsdmainutils usr/bin/calculusdevel/tendra usr/bin/calamaris utils/calamaris usr/bin/calculator-from-Allegro utils/allegro-examples usr/bin/calcoo utils/calcoo usr/bin/cal utils/bsdmainutils usr/bin/callpasshamradio/xastir usr/bin/calcmath/apcalc usr/bin/callhamradio/ax25-apps usr/bin/calife admin/calife so, looks like you want 'bsdmainutils'. BTW, auto-apt is in a package with the same name. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how long does stuff in /var/tmp stick around?
On Thursday 05 September 2002 12:44, Dan Jacobson wrote: I know that stuff in /tmp sticks around until the next of my daily power-ups, but what about /var/tmp for the default woody configuration? Seems like months, but I'd like to know if there's some cleaner program that is going to come along every 1/2 a year etc. when I least expect it. As far as I can tell /var/tmp has nothing cleaning it up unless you set one up. It is definately NOT scrubbed by anything default installed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Weird fluxbox menus
On Thursday 05 September 2002 23:09, Cameron Matheson wrote: Hey, I'm having a weird problem w/ fluxbox. For some reason the menus (and all submenus) have a blank separator, and the an 'exit' item (that exits the WM), I tried the menus in blackbox and they are fine. does anyone know what is wrong w/ flux, or how i could fix this? Thanks, Cameron Matheson Look at /etc/menu-methods/fluxbox and compare it to /etc/menu-methods/blackbox. Then beat yourself with a trout for using fluxbox instead of blackbox (-: Shaleh blackbox maintainer and developer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fonts too large
On Tuesday 03 September 2002 20:37, David Zelinsky wrote: I recently upgraded to woody (actually I ended up doing a clean install, for reasons I won't get into), and now most of the fonts in application windows are way too large. Examples include: menus, dialog boxes and input fields in netscape, mozilla, dillo and acroread, to name a few. (The font preference for netscape et al only affect the document fonts, not the menus and toolbars.) Can anyone tell me how to change this? I'm using xfs (tried changing the default-point-size in /etc/X11/fs/config but it had no effect). I've been using fvwm started by gdm, but it doesn't seem to matter which window manager or desktop I use. Thanks in advance. David Zelinsky from /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/README.Debian-upgrade.gz: FONT AND DPI (DOTS-PER-INCH) SETTINGS SET TO 100DPI BY DEFAULT: You should be aware that, by default, xdm and xinit (and thus startx) start the X server using the -dpi 100 argument, which forces the X server to treat the display as having 100 dots per inch. Furthermore, xfs is configured to serve fonts with a preference for 100dpi versions over 75dpi version if a font request could be satisfied by either, and dexconf, the Debian X Configurator, writes XFree86 server configuration files with a preference for the 100dpi font directory over the 75dpi directory. This particularly affects the visible font size. Another common default is 75 dpi; some font rasterizers do not deal well with dpi settings other than 75 or 100. This default can be modified by editing the following conffiles: xdm /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers (see xdm(1)) xfs /etc/X11/fs/config (see xfs(1)) xinit /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc(see xinit(1)) The /etc/X11/XF86Config and /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 files (see the XF86Config(7) manual page for the distinction) are not conffiles, but may also be edited to change this default. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Debian Installer -PGI Debian
On Tuesday 03 September 2002 08:34, alex wrote: Does anyone who has first hand knowledge about PGI Debian know if the original Progeny Installer problems have been fixed in the new version? I believe this new version is supposed to be adaptable to install any version of Debian. I do not know if old bugs were fixed but I can say that pgi is now in Debian proper and will install a woody system. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fonts too large
On Wednesday 04 September 2002 19:50, Brian Nelson wrote: But note that, as stated in xfonts-100dpi description field, xfonts-100dpi may be more suitable for large monitors and/or large screen resolutions (over 1024x768). In that case, you'd be better off just changing the font size manually (through Gnome/KDE's control center, or whatever). maybe for those with poor eyesight but I find that 100dpi fonts are always too big. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: api calls
On 29-Jun-2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: need to find out what are the so called API's under linux I need to understand this in simple terms and how to access if that is posable API standards for application programming interface. It is the definition of how two things talk to each other. The X Window System has an API, GTK+ has an API, glibc provides another. It is a generic term. We could help you better if you would more clearly state what problem you are trying to solve. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which window manager to use?
-- Straightforward graphical configuration. native simple option menus some things still require hand editing of a rc but that is minimal. bbconf also exists to aid graphical configuring. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: moves dot files to different directory
On 28-Jun-2002 Henning, Brian wrote: hello all- I have the task of moving all my hidden files to another directory. how can i select only these files and not the standard files. ls .* doesn't seem to work. try: find . -name .* -print and go from there. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: unzip from sid requires libc5
On 28-Jun-2002 Wayne Topa wrote: I ran deborphan last week and removed libc5, among others. I received a zip file today and found that unzip 5.50-1 from unstable requires libc5 but apt-cache show unzip does not have it listed as a requirement. Seems odd that a program in unstable would require an old version libc or am I missing something. according to my available file unzip 5.50-1 'Depends: libc6 (= 2.1.2)'. apt-cache seems confused. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: unzip from sid requires libc5
Right. ldd /usr/bin/unzip shows libc.so.6 = /lib/libc.so.6 (0x4001b000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 = /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4000) It is something screwed up with 'my' account! It gives this error unzip: can't load library 'libc.so.5' when run as me but works fine when run as root. Just tried other users and it is OK there. Greping my home dir for unzip comes up empty so I don't have anything in bash* causing it. Logging out and back in doesn't fix it but installing libc5 does (???). My home dir goes back 6-7 years and I am running woody/Sid currently. It has to be something in there, I guess. Weird an ld_preload perhaps? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Ot c++ programming in linux
On 29-Jun-2002 faisal gillani wrote:
Well i am a newbie learning c++ these days we are
being thaught on turbo c 3.0 but as like other things
i want to work on c++ in linux .. so i installed gcc
on my linux box but i dont have any idea how to
install it for example i write a program as follows in
turbo c
#includestudio.h
#includeconio.h
void main (void)
{
printf(hello world);
}
how do i write the same program in gcc ?
i have tried the same but it gives out error the
#in... files not found
what can i do how to compile this program ?
(that is C, not C++, but I remember those classes supposedly teaching C++ )
conio.h is a dos specific header, there is no good UNIX/Linux equivalent. In
the above example it can be left out. Once you have removed that line the code
will compile.
gcc -Wall -W -pedantic hello.c -o hello
the above line enables all warnings and will help you write clean code.
'hello.c' is the name of the source file you create, it will be output as a
program called 'hello', that is what the -o is for.
A common problem new coders have is they create a file called 'test' this is a
bad name for a program because it has the possibility of being replaced by
/bin/test when you run it.
$ gcc test.c -o test
$ test
$
and nothing happens. TO be sure run all your programs with a path
$ ./test # use the 'test' program in ./ (aka this directory)
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Re: Gnome 2.0 Released
And not that I don't like /. but I'm not sure that /. has anything to do with any slowdown on gnome.org. Other sites were talking about gnome 2 before /. In fact, I saw the announcement on PCLinuxOnline. And the developer of CVSGnome emailed me his notice of the improved scripts seconds after he uploaded it. BTW: According to the news.com interview of /. -- there are 6000 posts daily done by 50% of the visitors. The other half read and leave. So, that means only 12,000 daily visitors??? Sorry, but I operated a site in 1995 that had 250,000 visitors per month - and it wasn't considered huge. Something in the math just never adds up for /. Maybe hype? Maybe my math ;-) I thought posters accounted for something like 5%. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gnome 2.0 Released
Isn't there an independent website that keeps stats for sites - and would have this month's access for /. ? Sorry, I'm in the middle of a download of GNOME 2 - or I'd check myself rather than asking. And since I'm using a 56K modem, my surfing ability is limited until after the download. Actually, surfing is limited even without the download going :-) how would an external site know the number of page views? The only way to get that stat is the web logs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: apt and packages from outside the distro
On 27-Jun-2002 Michael Jinks wrote: Hi, all. I think I just need to RTFM but I don't know where. As established at considerable length in another thread, I need to install XFree86 4.2 on a woody machine. I have lots of URL's for mirrors of the version currently being tested, for example: deb http://www.phy.olemiss.edu/xsf sid/i386 / But when that line is added to my sources.list, I get this error from 'apt-get update': W: Couldn't stat source package list http://www.phy.olemiss.edu sid/i386// Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.phy.olemiss.edu_xsf_dists_sid_i386___binary-i386_Packa ges) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems Needless to say, the version of XFree that I get is still the one included in the main woody archive. So, what am I doing wrong or what document should I have read before I tried this? So far I've looked around at any apt documentation I can find with a casual search, but I'm not finding anything about how to manage packages from outside one's current distribution. http://www.phy.olemiss.edu/xsf/READ_THIS_FOR_INFO_ON_HOW_TO_USE_APT -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: no expect bugs??
On 28-Jun-2002 Michael P. Soulier wrote: Hey people, I raised a Severity grave bug against Expect in Sid today, and I saw it earlier. I went to check on it now, and I find no bugs against Expect at all. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=Expect What gives? This is a shared-lib problem, preventing Expect from working at all. It's kinda serious. expect not Expect. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gnome 2.0 Released
On 26-Jun-2002 Jeremy Turner wrote: On Wed, 2002-06-26 at 15:19, Alex Malinovich wrote: Fresh from slashdot, Gnome 2.0 is released. Anyone care to place bets on when we'll see debs of it? :) Who knows. I'm looking forward to it though! I'm trying to get some screenshots from http://gnome.org/start/2.0/screenshots but gnome.org is completely /.-ed. I get about half of a shot, then it dies. My question is [OT] is why does /. never get /.-ed? muscle, lots of muscle. there is also not a strong tide of people going to slashdot all at once. new announcements (like gnome 2) go everywhere so there is a lot more than just the slashdot crowd going there. besides, most slashdot users are KDE people . -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Replacement for X-Windows?
One other thing: I am stuck knowing only BASIC. Anyone willing to bring this idea to fruition, however, would have my blessings. go right now to http://www.python.org. Easy, fun, elegant. You should be able to use it in about two or 3 days and be really proficient in 3 months. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: g++ 2.96 on debian?
On 25-Jun-2002 Marcelo Chiapparini wrote: On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:34:52 +0200 J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip, snip That's because Debian tries to stick as closely as is reasonably possible to official gcc releases. 2.96 (of which there appear to be many versions which are difficult to distinguish) has a lot of issues; it has e.g. been known to build gnumeric binaries which produced extremely inaccurate results; gnumeric's CVS version (and some other software as well AFAIK) has been changed to refuse compilation with 2.96. Your best option is to go for 3.1. but 3.1 is only in unstable! In testing it only goes till 3.0. How does compare 3.0 with 3.1? 3.0 is reasonable, 3.1 just adds improvements in speed and architecture support. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: X, Window manager, and startup question
On 25-Jun-2002 Dave Whiteley wrote: Help please, I am using xdm and icewm, (but I suspect that my problem relates to other window managers as well). I start up several applications at login, using .xsession but these all start up in the first virtual screen. Is there any way in which I can start them in other screens. My .xsession is something like:- xterm application1 application2 exec icewm I would like application1 to start in the second virtual screen. *IF* the window manager supports something like NETWM (which is a protocol for talking to the windowmanager) an external program could be used to set this for you. But in the general case no, this requires work. Join an icewm list and ask there, they will likely have had numerous other people ask this. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
