On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 02:38:35AM EST, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/27/2009 07:23 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 07:56:39PM EST, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/27/2009 05:35 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 01:42:51PM EST, Dotan Cohen wrote:
My C experience began and
On 02/27/2009 07:23 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 07:56:39PM EST, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/27/2009 05:35 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 01:42:51PM EST, Dotan Cohen wrote:
My C experience began and ended in a one-semester course.
There is such a thing as
My C experience began and ended in a one-semester course.
There is such a thing as fundamentals .. fluency in C is one major
tool in your toolbox.. and one sure way to ensure that nobody messes
with you on mailing lists.
That sounds like an insult.
I do not see that as an insult at
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:24:53 -0800, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
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Friendly,
Sure, no problem! A piece of advice for you, don't let your ego get
involved when posting, some call that wearing a flamesuit on the 'Net.
What I did was give you my opinion of your actions, in the hope that the
data might
Dean Chester wrote:
Hi
I have been recently looking at other distros to use other than Debian.
And i have also been given a new laptop for use in school which i am
soon going to be running Linux on. However i don't know what to go for.
The 3 options to choose from are Debian(of course),
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 03:20:04PM -0800, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
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Jimmy Johnson wrote:
I imagine the arguments where similar when operating systems moved from
16 bit to 32 bit. ;)
I have never heard of 16 bit userland
That's quite PC-centric.
The VAX was 32 bit, for instance. IIRC in the 80-s and early 90-s one
atvantage the GNU tools had was that they could start from a clean 32bit
codebase compared to the legacy UNIX code.
Alpha was available in the early 90-s.
Other than the Mac, there were no other
I'm not a programmer, but:
2. long long are available to 32-bit compilers,
How?
3. AMD64 uses the LP64 model, where int values are still 32 bit.
What is the advantage to this?
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Why buy a 64 bit setup if your not going to use it ?
Why buy a Toyota Corolla that can do 160 KPH if you are not going to
drive that fast?
The advantages of a modern, dual core processor go far beyond the fact
that they support 64 bit code.
I bought mine for a reason so I could use 64.
Just
On 02/27/2009 07:51 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
I'm not a programmer, but:
2. long long are available to 32-bit compilers,
How?
The compiler can do anything that the programmers can make it do.
3. AMD64 uses the LP64 model, where int values are still 32 bit.
What is the advantage to this?
The compiler can do anything that the programmers can make it do.
I'm not entirely clear on this, but I think that the memory has less
address space in 32 bit, no? So you have only long? I'm not a
programmer, so you could just RTFM me with a link and I'll take it
from there.
3. AMD64 uses the
On 02/27/2009 12:42 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
The compiler can do anything that the programmers can make it do.
I'm not entirely clear on this, but I think that the memory has less
address space in 32 bit, no? So you have only long? I'm not a
programmer, so you could just RTFM me with a link and
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 01:42:51PM EST, Dotan Cohen wrote:
My C experience began and ended in a one-semester course.
There is such a thing as fundamentals .. fluency in C is one major
tool in your toolbox.. and one sure way to ensure that nobody messes
with you on mailing lists.
--
To
On 02/27/2009 05:35 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 01:42:51PM EST, Dotan Cohen wrote:
My C experience began and ended in a one-semester course.
There is such a thing as fundamentals .. fluency in C is one major
tool in your toolbox.. and one sure way to ensure that nobody
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 07:56:39PM EST, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/27/2009 05:35 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 01:42:51PM EST, Dotan Cohen wrote:
My C experience began and ended in a one-semester course.
There is such a thing as fundamentals .. fluency in C is one major
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 06:35:10PM -0500, Chris Jones wrote:
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 01:42:51PM EST, Dotan Cohen wrote:
My C experience began and ended in a one-semester course.
There is such a thing as fundamentals .. fluency in C is one major
tool in your toolbox.. and one sure way to
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Jimmy Johnson wrote:
I have three 64bit systems here and all running Mepis 8.0 64bit, things
like flash and YouTube are preconfigured and will work straight out of
the box. Here's a link to the Mepis 8.0 User's Manual:
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
On 02/25/2009 01:58 PM, Dean Chester wrote:
[snip]
OK will try with some live CDs. Next question 32-bit or 64-bit has a C2D
processor?
On a laptop, I see no advantage to running a 64-bit system.
I see lots of
On 02/26/2009 03:04 AM, Aioanei Rares wrote:
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
On 02/25/2009 01:58 PM, Dean Chester wrote:
[snip]
OK will try with some live CDs. Next question 32-bit or 64-bit has a C2D
processor?
On a laptop, I see no advantage to
Aioanei Rares wrote:
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
On 02/25/2009 01:58 PM, Dean Chester wrote:
[snip]
OK will try with some live CDs. Next question 32-bit or 64-bit has a C2D
processor?
On a laptop, I see no advantage to running a 64-bit
Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
Jimmy Johnson wrote:
I have three 64bit systems here and all running Mepis 8.0 64bit, things
like flash and YouTube are preconfigured and will work straight out of
the box. Here's a link to the Mepis 8.0 User's Manual:
www.mepislovers.org/forums/user_manual8/ enjoy.
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/25/2009 01:58 PM, Dean Chester wrote:
[snip]
OK will try with some live CDs. Next question 32-bit or 64-bit has a C2D
processor?
On a laptop, I see no advantage to running a 64-bit system.
Ron on a 64bit computer do you think it's better to run a 32bit OS?
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Jimmy Johnson wrote:
Why do you flame me, maybe you think it's better to recommend Sidux or
Ubuntu? G
I didn't intend to flame you, I am sorry if I sounded like that.
If you don't want a flame, please stop yours as well. I just gave my
opinion, you gave yours. I don't understand why you take
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Jimmy Johnson wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/25/2009 01:58 PM, Dean Chester wrote:
[snip]
OK will try with some live CDs. Next question 32-bit or 64-bit has a C2D
processor?
On a laptop, I see no advantage to running a 64-bit system.
Ron
I have been recently looking at other distros to use other than Debian. And
i have also been given a new laptop for use in school which i am soon going
to be running Linux on. However i don't know what to go for. The 3 options
to choose from are Debian(of course), Ubuntu or Fedora. The Laptop
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Johannes Wiedersich
johan...@physik.blm.tu-muenchen.de wrote:
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Jimmy Johnson wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/25/2009 01:58 PM, Dean Chester wrote:
[snip]
OK will try with some live CDs. Next question 32-bit
Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
Jimmy Johnson wrote:
Why do you flame me, maybe you think it's better to recommend Sidux or
Ubuntu? G
I didn't intend to flame you, I am sorry if I sounded like that.
If you don't want a flame, please stop yours as well. I just gave my
opinion, you gave yours. I
Aioanei Rares wrote:
While I agree with the newbie part, I find that I want to get the most out
of my hardware, so I use 64-bit.
What applications or usage scenarios get more out of your hardware as
with 32bit / 64bit kernel?
How much better are those on amd64?
Johannes
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What applications or usage scenarios get more out of your hardware as
with 32bit / 64bit kernel?
How much better are those on amd64?
If you have over 3 GB of memory then you need 64 bit. Otherwise, it is
mostly very specific scientific applications that need 64 bit: home
users will see no
Aioanei Rares wrote:
While I agree with the newbie part, I find that I want to get the most
out of my hardware, so I use 64-bit.
One's mileage may vary, of course.
And you are correct, when I go to Synaptic and type in search 32 bit I
can see what is installed and can completely remove the
Dotan Cohen wrote:
What applications or usage scenarios get more out of your hardware as
with 32bit / 64bit kernel?
How much better are those on amd64?
If you have over 3 GB of memory then you need 64 bit. Otherwise, it is
mostly very specific scientific applications that need 64 bit: home
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 05:42:33 -0800
Jimmy Johnson field.engin...@gmail.com wrote:
...
Adobe Acrobat Reader and the only reason I use it is for copy and paste,
Copying and pasting works for me from Evince. Is there something
specific you can't do?
Celejar
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From: Jimmy Johnson [mailto:field.engin...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?
Dotan Cohen wrote:
What applications or usage scenarios get more out of your hardware
as
with 32bit / 64bit kernel?
How much better are those
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Jimmy Johnson wrote:
I imagine the arguments where similar when operating systems moved from
16 bit to 32 bit. ;)
I have never heard of 16 bit userland and a 32 bit kernel, though. In
the present case in a sense you can have the best of both worlds
I imagine the arguments where similar when operating systems moved from 16
bit to 32 bit. ;)
Not really, because the 32 bit hardware was more widespread when
Windows 95 came out. At the time, all software written since 1992 was
32 bit-compatible, in fact, I cannot think of any major
To be clear, the drawback of 64 bit is the unavailability of software.
If all the software that you use supports 64 bit, then go for it.
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I have never heard of 16 bit userland and a 32 bit kernel, though.
An 80286 running Unix could be described that way.
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On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 05:35:50PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
I imagine the arguments where similar when operating systems moved from 16
bit to 32 bit. ;)
Not really, because the 32 bit hardware was more widespread when
Windows 95 came out. At the time, all software written since 1992 was
On 02/26/2009 06:32 AM, Aioanei Rares wrote:
[snip]
While I agree with the newbie part, I find that I want to get the most out
of my hardware, so I use 64-bit.
One's mileage may vary, of course.
How much of your computer's time is spent waiting for you to type,
or move the mouse?
Thus,
On 02/26/2009 08:29 AM, Stackpole, Chris wrote:
[snip]
Also, I have a few servers that need to run 64bit. I have run into
several issues where things worked perfectly in 32bit but not in 64bit
(mainly hardware drivers). I personally would run 64bit on the laptop
but mainly because I figure the
On 02/26/2009 09:55 AM, John Hasler wrote:
Johannes writes:
I have never heard of 16 bit userland and a 32 bit kernel, though.
An 80286 running Unix could be described that way.
The 80286 was strictly 16-bit.
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The feeling of disgust at seeing a human
On 02/26/2009 04:47 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/25/2009 01:58 PM, Dean Chester wrote:
[snip]
OK will try with some live CDs. Next question 32-bit or 64-bit has a C2D
processor?
On a laptop, I see no advantage to running a 64-bit system.
Ron on a 64bit computer do
On 02/26/2009 07:41 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
What applications or usage scenarios get more out of your hardware as
with 32bit / 64bit kernel?
How much better are those on amd64?
If you have over 3 GB of memory then you need 64 bit.
I really think that's myth.
Jimmy Johnson wrote: Why do you flame me, maybe you think it's better
to recommend Sidux or
Ubuntu? G
Johannes Wiedersich wrote: I didn't intend to flame you, I am sorry if I
sounded like that.
If you don't want a flame, please stop yours as well. I just gave my
opinion, you gave yours. I
On 02/26/2009 07:49 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
Dotan Cohen wrote:
What applications or usage scenarios get more out of your hardware as
with 32bit / 64bit kernel?
How much better are those on amd64?
If you have over 3 GB of memory then you need 64 bit. Otherwise, it is
mostly very specific
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
On 02/26/2009 06:32 AM, Aioanei Rares wrote:
[snip]
While I agree with the newbie part, I find that I want to get the most out
of my hardware, so I use 64-bit.
One's mileage may vary, of course.
How much of your
On 02/26/2009 12:29 PM, Aioanei Rares wrote:
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
On 02/26/2009 06:32 AM, Aioanei Rares wrote:
[snip]
While I agree with the newbie part, I find that I want to get the most out
of my hardware, so I use 64-bit.
One's mileage
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/26/2009 07:41 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
What applications or usage scenarios get more out of your hardware as
with 32bit / 64bit kernel?
How much better are those on amd64?
If you have over 3 GB of memory then you need 64 bit.
I really think that's myth.
I'll
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 03:43:05PM +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
Jimmy Johnson wrote:
I imagine the arguments where similar when operating systems moved from
16 bit to 32 bit. ;)
I have never heard of 16 bit userland and a 32 bit kernel, though. In
the present case in a sense you can
If you have over 3 GB of memory then you need 64 bit.
I really think that's myth.
I'll confirm that. My laptop has 4G of RAM (though only 3.4G is
addressable, but my understanding is that that's a BIOS limitation (thanks
Dell) since both windows XP (which I dual boot) and Debian show the
On 02/26/2009 12:55 PM, charlie derr wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/26/2009 07:41 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
What applications or usage scenarios get more out of your hardware as
with 32bit / 64bit kernel?
How much better are those on amd64?
If you have over 3 GB of memory then you need 64
On 2009-02-26 22:06 +0100, Stefan Monnier wrote:
This is an amd64 CPU, so I can also run a 64bit kernel, but then
my 32bit wpa-supplicant and the rt73usb driver don't cooperate any more,
so I'd have to upgrade my userland to 64bit as well, which seems like
too much trouble.
You can also
Celejar wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 05:42:33 -0800
Jimmy Johnson field.engin...@gmail.com wrote:
...
Adobe Acrobat Reader and the only reason I use it is for copy and paste,
Copying and pasting works for me from Evince. Is there something
specific you can't do?
Thanks, I will check that
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/26/2009 04:47 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/25/2009 01:58 PM, Dean Chester wrote:
[snip]
OK will try with some live CDs. Next question 32-bit or 64-bit has a
C2D
processor?
On a laptop, I see no advantage to running a 64-bit system.
Ron on a
On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 14:57 -0800, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/26/2009 04:47 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/25/2009 01:58 PM, Dean Chester wrote:
[snip]
OK will try with some live CDs. Next question 32-bit or 64-bit has a
C2D
processor?
On a
On 02/26/2009 05:04 PM, lostson wrote:
On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 14:57 -0800, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/26/2009 04:47 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/25/2009 01:58 PM, Dean Chester wrote:
[snip]
OK will try with some live CDs. Next question 32-bit or 64-bit
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 01:55:06PM EST, charlie derr wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/26/2009 07:41 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
What applications or usage scenarios get more out of your hardware as
with 32bit / 64bit kernel?
How much better are those on amd64?
If you have over 3 GB of memory
Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
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Jimmy Johnson wrote:
I imagine the arguments where similar when operating systems moved from
16 bit to 32 bit. ;)
I have never heard of 16 bit userland and a 32 bit kernel, though. In
the present case in a sense you can
Thorny wrote:
Jimmy Johnson wrote: Why do you flame me, maybe you think it's better
to recommend Sidux or
Ubuntu? G
Johannes Wiedersich wrote: I didn't intend to flame you, I am sorry if I
sounded like that.
If you don't want a flame, please stop yours as well. I just gave my
opinion, you
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 03:20:04PM -0800, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
Has there ever been an official 16 bit linux kernel?
I could be wrong but I think the closest would be Minix '87 running on
8086, Linus was not doing his thing until '91 or maybe later, he may
have
On 02/26/2009 05:35 PM, David Jardine wrote:
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 03:20:04PM -0800, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
Has there ever been an official 16 bit linux kernel?
I could be wrong but I think the closest would be Minix '87 running on
8086, Linus was not doing his
Original Message
From: field.engin...@gmail.com
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:20:04 -0800
Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
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Jimmy Johnson wrote:
I imagine the arguments
Hi,
David Jardine wrote:
Many years ago someone on this list claimed to be running Debian on
an 80386SX, which was, I think, 16-bit (as opposed to the 80386DX).
Hamm or Slink, I believe.
The SX was without math co-processor, the DX with. Both were 386 processors
at 32bit.
Kind Regards
On 02/26/2009 09:38 PM, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
Hi,
David Jardine wrote:
Many years ago someone on this list claimed to be running Debian on
an 80386SX, which was, I think, 16-bit (as opposed to the 80386DX).
Hamm or Slink, I believe.
The SX was without math co-processor, the DX with. Both
Celejar wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 05:42:33 -0800
Jimmy Johnson field.engin...@gmail.com wrote:
...
Adobe Acrobat Reader and the only reason I use it is for copy and paste,
Copying and pasting works for me from Evince. Is there something
specific you can't do?
Celejar
Evince is now
Hi,
Ron Johnson wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_80386#The_i386SX_variant
In 1988, Intel introduced the i386SX, a low cost version with
a 16-bit data bus (although the CPU remained fully 32-bit
internally) intended to simplify circuit board layout and
reduce total cost
On 02/26/2009 10:27 PM, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
Hi,
Ron Johnson wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_80386#The_i386SX_variant
In 1988, Intel introduced the i386SX, a low cost version with
a 16-bit data bus (although the CPU remained fully 32-bit
internally) intended to
Hi
I have been recently looking at other distros to use other than Debian. And
i have also been given a new laptop for use in school which i am soon going
to be running Linux on. However i don't know what to go for. The 3 options
to choose from are Debian(of course), Ubuntu or Fedora. The Laptop
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:56 AM, Dean Chester
dean.g.ches...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi
I have been recently looking at other distros to use other than Debian. And
i have also been given a new laptop for use in school which i am soon going
to be running Linux on. However i don't know what to go
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 01:23:18AM +0800, Nelson Castillo wrote:
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:56 AM, Dean Chester
dean.g.ches...@googlemail.com wrote:
Fedora can hurt your brain.
Try LFS. Makes your brain seriously sore, but you learn a lot...
The key word is laptop. I'd try booting the
On Wednesday 25 February 2009 17:44:06 Dave Patterson wrote:
use Knoppix for Debian.
Why? What's wrong with Debian Live?
http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/
Lisi
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Dean Chester wrote:
Hi
I have been recently looking at other distros to use other than Debian.
And i have also been given a new laptop for use in school which i am
soon going to be running Linux on. However i don't know what to go for.
The 3 options to choose from are Debian(of course),
Ken Teague wrote:
Jimmy Johnson wrote:
If you are smart you will give SimplyMEPIS 8.0 a try before you
decide. ;)
Does that make him dumb, stupid or ignorant if he doesn't?
It only means what it says.
And please keep your reply to the list.
Thank you,
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On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Jimmy Johnson field.engin...@gmail.comwrote:
Ken Teague wrote:
Jimmy Johnson wrote:
If you are smart you will give SimplyMEPIS 8.0 a try before you
decide. ;)
Does that make him dumb, stupid or ignorant if he doesn't?
It only means what it says.
Dean Chester wrote:
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Jimmy Johnson field.engin...@gmail.com
mailto:field.engin...@gmail.com wrote:
Ken Teague wrote:
Jimmy Johnson wrote:
If you are smart you will give SimplyMEPIS 8.0 a try before you
decide. ;)
OK
On 02/25/2009 01:58 PM, Dean Chester wrote:
[snip]
OK will try with some live CDs. Next question 32-bit or 64-bit has a C2D
processor?
On a laptop, I see no advantage to running a 64-bit system.
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Jefferson LA USA
The feeling of disgust at seeing a human female in a
On 02/25/2009 10:56 AM, Dean Chester wrote:
Hi
I have been recently looking at other distros to use other than Debian. And
i have also been given a new laptop for use in school which i am soon going
to be running Linux on. However i don't know what to go for. The 3 options
to choose from are
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 05:52:32PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Wednesday 25 February 2009 17:44:06 Dave Patterson wrote:
use Knoppix for Debian.
Why? What's wrong with Debian Live?
http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/
Lisi
Oops, I forgot. I'm getting old :(
Dave
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