Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients

2004-02-12 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 09:31:48PM -0500, Mike M ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 07:04:34PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: snip Nope. I use Knoppix to boot from, make the system image as far as disks etc. I then mount those filesystems apropos and then run debootstrap in

Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients

2004-02-10 Thread Andreas Janssen
Hello Mike M ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 07:04:34PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: snip Nope. I use Knoppix to boot from, make the system image as far as disks etc. I then mount those filesystems apropos and then run debootstrap in that directory and install a basic

Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients

2004-02-09 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On 2004-02-09, Krikket penned: [snip] What took me by surprise, when I started poking around with Knoppix is that it uses a number of different branches off the tree. To get gnome running, I had to use *experimental*. But it is running, and without a problem. (Although not enough time has

Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients

2004-02-09 Thread Marc Wilson
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 01:10:33AM -0500, Krikket wrote: This recent thread on Knoppix took me by surprise. Why? No one has made any statement about the quality of Knoppix. It's a perfectly fine LiveCD. I've not played with Morphix, but supposedly it's an equally good one. Besides, I don't

Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients

2004-02-09 Thread Andreas Janssen
Hello Krikket ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: This recent thread on Knoppix took me by surprise. From my point of view, it has out-performed the other Linuxes in one way or another. (My problem with the standard Debian install is with configuring the kernel. At this point, I just don't get

Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients

2004-02-09 Thread Adam Aube
On Monday 09 February 2004 01:10 am, Krikket wrote: LibraNet looks good, but I don't want to pony up some cash until I know which branch it's based on. Similar difficulties with Mepis and Xandros. You can download a classic (older) version of LibraNet for free, and MEPIS can be downloaded

Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients

2004-02-09 Thread Greg Folkert
On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 01:10, Krikket wrote: I'm fairly new to the world of Debian, and it's varients. To get to the point where I'm at, I've been playing around and installed a number of distributions. (SuSE, Fedora Core 1, Red Hat 9, Debian, Knoppix, Gentoo, Mandrake, FreeBSD, and probably

Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients

2004-02-09 Thread Uwe Dippel
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 10:50:08 +0100, Monique Y. Herman wrote: I'd just like to clarify a point here. It's one thing to have a running system, and it's another thing to have an up to date system. The best way to have an up to date system is to have a system that makes it easy to upgrade and

Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients

2004-02-09 Thread M . Kirchhoff
Krikket krikket at gothpoodle.com writes: LibraNet looks good, but I don't want to pony up some cash until I know which branch it's based on. Similar difficulties with Mepis and Xandros. The maintainers of LibraNet recently created their own repository of Debian packages. They mix

Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients

2004-02-09 Thread Lance Simmons
* M.Kirchhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] [040209 09:50]: Installation may be trickier than other distros (although that's changing with the new Sarge installer), but once you're up and running, it's a beautiful thing. For the most part I agree. Last summer, however, I had to set up an old,

Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients

2004-02-09 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On 2004-02-09, Andreas Janssen penned: [snip] I think discover can also run at boot time and load the drivers for you. I just set up linux from scratch on a machine using the netinstall CD , and it gave me the option to do this. Sound, network, etc were all there without me having to figure

Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients

2004-02-09 Thread Mike M
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 10:55:01AM +0100, Andreas Janssen wrote: snip Knoppix uses software from all branches of Debian: stable, testing, unstable and experimental. This means it is nearly possible to turn Knoppix into Debian stable, supplying you with security updates and so on. In the end,

Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients

2004-02-09 Thread Adam Aube
On Monday 09 February 2004 11:37 am, Mike M wrote: Does this mean that the only way to get a system that just works is to mix and match software from all branches? That depends on how you define just works. All branches except stable have a chance of broken packages, so based on that stable is

Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients

2004-02-09 Thread Sascha Andres
Hi, * Krikket wrote on 09.02.2004 (01:10): it has out-performed the other Linuxes in one way or another. (My problem with the standard Debian install is with configuring the kernel. At this point, I just don't get it. I need to learn a lot more before I can do that part on my own.) The

Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients

2004-02-09 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 01:10:33 -0500 (EST) Krikket [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm fairly new to the world of Debian, and it's varients. To get to the point where I'm at, I've been playing around and installed a number of distributions. (SuSE, Fedora

Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients

2004-02-09 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 10:52:24PM +0800, Uwe Dippel wrote: Ball in the camp of the nay-sayers: If someone doesn't know this, how would installing Woody and updating (of except Woody) be any simpler ? It's easy to track woody because woody never gets updated. You only get minor security

Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients

2004-02-09 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 02:11:29AM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: What would you suggest as an alternative? I've heard calls for Morphix, but that's a derivitive of Knoppix. I'd suggest them putting the Woody CD in the drive and running the installer. Woody's installer is pretty brain-dead...

Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients

2004-02-09 Thread M . Kirchhoff
Monique Y. Herman spam at bounceswoosh.org writes: On 2004-02-09, Andreas Janssen penned: [snip] I think discover can also run at boot time and load the drivers for you. I just set up linux from scratch on a machine using the netinstall CD , and it gave me the option to do this.

Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients

2004-02-09 Thread Mike M
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 11:55:03AM -0500, Adam Aube wrote: On Monday 09 February 2004 11:37 am, Mike M wrote: Does this mean that the only way to get a system that just works is to mix and match software from all branches? That depends on how you define just works. All branches except

Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients

2004-02-09 Thread Paul Morgan
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 12:29:37 -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote: On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 02:11:29AM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: What would you suggest as an alternative? I've heard calls for Morphix, but that's a derivitive of Knoppix. I'd suggest them putting the Woody CD in the drive and

Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients

2004-02-09 Thread Andreas Janssen
Hello Mike M ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: To use Debian on the latest hardware then you must use unstable or testing, which exposes you to possible broken packages. That is not always correct, because in many cases it is sufficient to only use a newer Kernel (e.g. from backports.org, or

Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients

2004-02-09 Thread Adam Aube
On Monday 09 February 2004 03:49 pm, Mike M wrote: What I want is an up-to-date hardware configurator and all the blessings of stable. This will most likely never be available. It seems impossible. You could try MEPIS. It can be freely downloaded, and can be installed or run as a Live CD.

Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients

2004-02-09 Thread Greg Folkert
On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 15:49, Mike M wrote: On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 11:55:03AM -0500, Adam Aube wrote: On Monday 09 February 2004 11:37 am, Mike M wrote: Does this mean that the only way to get a system that just works is to mix and match software from all branches? That depends on

Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients

2004-02-09 Thread Mike M
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 07:04:34PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: snip Nope. I use Knoppix to boot from, make the system image as far as disks etc. I then mount those filesystems apropos and then run debootstrap in that directory and install a basic system. I then chroot into it and then update

Debian, Knoppix, and other varients

2004-02-08 Thread Krikket
I'm fairly new to the world of Debian, and it's varients. To get to the point where I'm at, I've been playing around and installed a number of distributions. (SuSE, Fedora Core 1, Red Hat 9, Debian, Knoppix, Gentoo, Mandrake, FreeBSD, and probably one or two others that I'm forgetting.) I've