Re: How did you update to stretch?

2017-06-27 Thread deloptes
John Elliot V wrote: > I'm just starting out with Salt, and I haven't figured out what you do > if you want to put a reboot between various configuration steps... I guess you target a stopped state - I never went deep in to saltstack. I had to use the interface for a project, but after this I

Re: How did you update to stretch?

2017-06-27 Thread Fungi4All
> From: d...@sherohman.org > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 01:27:42PM -0500, David Wright wrote: >> By running upgrade before dist-upgrade, you reduce complexity by >> maximising the compatibility of packages with each other. When >> lenny was replaced by squeeze, even

Re: How did you update to stretch?

2017-06-27 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 01:27:42PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > By running upgrade before dist-upgrade, you reduce complexity by > maximising the compatibility of packages with each other. When > lenny was replaced by squeeze, even these two steps were > insufficient; the kernel and udev needed

Re: How did you update to stretch?

2017-06-27 Thread Joe
On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 20:07:06 -0400 Fungi4All wrote: > > On 27/06/17 05:39, Brian wrote: > >> It was. I am a creature of habit. I still reboot between upgrade > >> and dist-upgrade when I eventually upgrade a machine from one > >> distribution to another. > > When

Re: How did you update to stretch?

2017-06-26 Thread Fungi4All
> On 27/06/17 05:39, Brian wrote: >> It was. I am a creature of habit. I still reboot between upgrade and >> dist-upgrade when I eventually upgrade a machine from one distribution >> to another. When one uses synaptic there is reload (update) and upgrade, it does not distinguish between dist and

Re: How did you update to stretch?

2017-06-26 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 03:04:30AM +1000, John Elliot V wrote: Can I ask why you did the apt-get upgrade before the apt-get dist-upgrade? Why not just go straight for apt-get dist-upgrade..? Merely because that's what the release notes said to do. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland

Re: How did you update to stretch?

2017-06-26 Thread John Elliot V
On 27/06/17 05:39, Brian wrote: > It was. I am a creature of habit. I still reboot between upgrade and > dist-upgrade when I eventually upgrade a machine from one distribution > to another. Do you ever use configuration management tools like Salt Stack? https://saltstack.com/ I'm just starting

Re: How did you update to stretch?

2017-06-26 Thread Brian
On Mon 26 Jun 2017 at 13:27:42 -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Mon 26 Jun 2017 at 19:01:21 (+0100), Brian wrote: > > On Mon 26 Jun 2017 at 13:06:29 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 03:04:30AM +1000, John Elliot V wrote: > > > > Can I ask why you did the apt-get

Re: How did you update to stretch?

2017-06-26 Thread Brian
On Mon 26 Jun 2017 at 14:16:57 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2017-06-26 at 14:01, Brian wrote: > > > On Mon 26 Jun 2017 at 13:06:29 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 03:04:30AM +1000, John Elliot V wrote: > >> > >>> Can I ask why you did the apt-get upgrade before

Re: How did you update to stretch?

2017-06-26 Thread The Wanderer
On 2017-06-26 at 14:27, David Wright wrote: > On Mon 26 Jun 2017 at 19:01:21 (+0100), Brian wrote: > >> On Mon 26 Jun 2017 at 13:06:29 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: >>> Probably because (s)he read the release notes: >>> >>>

Re: How did you update to stretch?

2017-06-26 Thread David Wright
On Mon 26 Jun 2017 at 19:01:21 (+0100), Brian wrote: > On Mon 26 Jun 2017 at 13:06:29 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 03:04:30AM +1000, John Elliot V wrote: > > > Can I ask why you did the apt-get upgrade before the apt-get > > > dist-upgrade? Why not just go straight

Re: How did you update to stretch?

2017-06-26 Thread The Wanderer
On 2017-06-26 at 14:01, Brian wrote: > On Mon 26 Jun 2017 at 13:06:29 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 03:04:30AM +1000, John Elliot V wrote: >> >>> Can I ask why you did the apt-get upgrade before the apt-get >>> dist-upgrade? Why not just go straight for apt-get >>>

Re: How did you update to stretch?

2017-06-26 Thread Brian
On Mon 26 Jun 2017 at 18:27:28 +0100, Joe wrote: > On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 03:04:30 +1000 > John Elliot V wrote: > > > On 26/06/17 23:12, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > >> So, how are your experiences? Did you end in the same issues as I > > >> ended? > > > > > > Nope, I read the

Re: How did you update to stretch?

2017-06-26 Thread Brian
On Mon 26 Jun 2017 at 13:06:29 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 03:04:30AM +1000, John Elliot V wrote: > > Can I ask why you did the apt-get upgrade before the apt-get > > dist-upgrade? Why not just go straight for apt-get dist-upgrade..? > > Probably because (s)he read the

Re: How did you update to stretch?

2017-06-26 Thread Joe
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 03:04:30 +1000 John Elliot V wrote: > On 26/06/17 23:12, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > >> So, how are your experiences? Did you end in the same issues as I > >> ended? > > > > Nope, I read the release notes and simply did > > > > (correct sources.list) > >

Re: How did you update to stretch?

2017-06-26 Thread John Elliot V
On 27/06/17 03:06, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 03:04:30AM +1000, John Elliot V wrote: >> Can I ask why you did the apt-get upgrade before the apt-get >> dist-upgrade? Why not just go straight for apt-get dist-upgrade..? > > Probably because (s)he read the release notes Oh.

Re: How did you update to stretch?

2017-06-26 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 03:04:30AM +1000, John Elliot V wrote: > Can I ask why you did the apt-get upgrade before the apt-get > dist-upgrade? Why not just go straight for apt-get dist-upgrade..? Probably because (s)he read the release notes:

Re: How did you update to stretch?

2017-06-26 Thread John Elliot V
On 26/06/17 23:12, Jonathan Dowland wrote: >> So, how are your experiences? Did you end in the same issues as I ended? > > Nope, I read the release notes and simply did > > (correct sources.list) > apt-get update > apt-get upgrade > apt-get dist-upgrade > (pending reboot)

Re: How did you update to stretch?

2017-06-26 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz
For every release the Debian developers take the trouble to write down an upgrade guide https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgradingpackages . Did you take a look at it? In my opinion it's written very clear and easy to read. Many thanks from me for

Re: How did you update to stretch?

2017-06-26 Thread Joe
On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 15:46:00 +0200 Hans wrote: > Am Montag, 26. Juni 2017, 08:26:38 CEST schrieb John Hasler: > > Hans writes: > Interesting! I did not notice apt, just used apt-get, apt-cache and > so on. Just read the manual of apt. However, aptitude has also its >

Re: How did you update to stretch?

2017-06-26 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On Seg, 26 Jun 2017, Hans wrote: But it would be nice, if we could agree to ONE tool, which is to be used for dist-upgrades. And this should be well documented! At the moment IMO there are too many tools and that makes it very confusing, doesn't it? For the specific case of upgrading to

Re: How did you update to stretch?

2017-06-26 Thread Hans
Am Montag, 26. Juni 2017, 15:46:00 CEST schrieb Hans: I am responsing to myself. Just checked aptitude wiki. It is already well documented (what I did not know, yet), so there is no further agreement necessary. On the other hand, it is good to see, that my experiences are made by other people,

Re: How did you update to stretch?

2017-06-26 Thread Alberto Luaces
Jonathan Dowland writes: > That's not going to happen. I'm not even sure aptitude is maintained anymore. Yes, it is. And I am glad because it is my favourite tool for dealing with updating and conflict resolving: https://packages.qa.debian.org/a/aptitude.html -- Alberto

Re: How did you update to stretch?

2017-06-26 Thread Hans
Am Montag, 26. Juni 2017, 08:26:38 CEST schrieb John Hasler: > Hans writes: Interesting! I did not notice apt, just used apt-get, apt-cache and so on. Just read the manual of apt. However, aptitude has also its worth, as for me it is faster to see, which dependencies are existent for the

Re: How did you update to stretch?

2017-06-26 Thread John Hasler
Hans writes: > As I read, aptitude is the tool for the future, so I fear, apt-get will > disappear some day. Please don't! Aptitude does not do the job (full-upgrade) > very well at the moment. Use apt. It is intended as an end-user interface and does everything apt-get does. Apt-get is

Re: How did you update to stretch?

2017-06-26 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 02:50:38PM +0200, Hans wrote: I am running debian now since "potatoe", which is a rather loong time. And in all this time I never got into any bad problems. Impressiv! Nice. Potato was when I got started too, but I do not have any continually updated systems from

How did you update to stretch?

2017-06-26 Thread Hans
Hi folks, I am running debian now since "potatoe", which is a rather loong time. And in all this time I never got into any bad problems. Impressiv! But I think, there is a little think worth to be noticed, and maybe, discussed. I always remarked at every update to the next stable version