Debian laptop recommendations? Non-proprietary software only.

2014-03-27 Thread Testosticore Fantastiballs
Hello, all! I'm currently in the market for a laptop/notebook computer on which to have a fully free installation of Debian GNU/Linux. That's is, I plan to have no proprietary programs whatsoever installed on it. This doesn't mean that I won't install some programs which Debian, as per the

Re: Debian laptop recommendations? Non-proprietary software only.

2014-03-27 Thread Mr Queue
debian-lap...@lists.debian.org -- Perhaps the most widespread illusion is that if we were in power we would behave very differently from those who now hold it -- when, in truth, in order to get power we would have to become very much like them. (Lenin's fatal mistake, both in theory and in

Re: Debian laptop recommendations? Non-proprietary software only.

2014-03-27 Thread Brian
On Fri 28 Mar 2014 at 02:49:07 +0800, Testosticore Fantastiballs wrote: I'm currently eying the Lenovo Thinkpad Edge E130 and the Thinkpad Edge E420. Have any of you had experience with any of these machines or similar ones? For the first machine:

Re: Debian laptop recommendations? Non-proprietary software only.

2014-03-27 Thread Luis Eduardo Cortes
I'm currently eying the Lenovo Thinkpad Edge E130 and the Thinkpad Edge E420. Have any of you had experience with any of these machines or similar ones? I own this, I love it: http://blog.jospoortvliet.com/2012/09/linux-and-samsung-series-9-np900x3c.html Regards. -- Usuario Linux

Re: Debian laptop recommendations? Non-proprietary software only.

2014-03-27 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 28/03/14 05:49, Testosticore Fantastiballs wrote: Hello, all! I'm currently in the market for a laptop/notebook computer on which to have a fully free installation of Debian GNU/Linux. Sounds good. That's is, I plan to have no proprietary programs whatsoever installed on it. This

Re: Debian laptop recommendations? Non-proprietary software only.

2014-03-27 Thread Joel Wirāmu Pauling
Happily Recommend this: http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X1-Carbon-2014-A-Fantastic-Revision/ Or The Haswell revision of the Acer Aspire S7 Or the Asus UX301 Basically if you are buying a laptop new. Don't buy anything that isn't a Haswell chip - mainly due to battery life

Re: Debian laptop recommendations? Non-proprietary software only.

2014-03-27 Thread Tony Baldwin
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 10:16:35PM +, Brian wrote: On Fri 28 Mar 2014 at 02:49:07 +0800, Testosticore Fantastiballs wrote: I'm currently eying the Lenovo Thinkpad Edge E130 and the Thinkpad Edge E420. Have any of you had experience with any of these machines or similar ones? For

Re: OT - Laptop Recommendations

2009-11-18 Thread green
Mark Phillips wrote at 2009-11-10 15:15 -0600: Thanks for your laptop ideas! I'm not sure what you are wanting here, but I own a ThinkPad and would recommend considering those if you have not yet. Linux support is good and somehow they don't have the cheap feel of many cheaper laptops.

OT - Laptop Recommendations

2009-11-10 Thread Mark Phillips
My current Dell Latitude C640 has died, so I am in the market for a new laptop. I am looking at either a refurbished Dell latitude D830 or a new Dell Studio 1555. Both are about the same price ~$700. The Studio 1555 Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T6600 (2.2GHz/800Mhz FSB/2MB cache) Genuine Windows® 7 Home

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-23 Thread Stefan Monnier
Does anyone have any recent experience, either good or bad, with any specific laptops? Just avoid ATI graphics cards, and nVidia as well (tho it's not as bad). Integrated Intel graphics is often the best choice (best support under GNU/Linux, best battery life as well). How are they for

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-23 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Fri, 2007-02-23 at 13:45 -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: Works, but it's not the fastest there is, obviously. I don't think OpenGL matters too much for laptops (note that I don't consider desktop replacements as laptops, really). I think a blocking factor for many users is If I get an Intel

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-23 Thread John M Flinchbaugh
It's interesting to see so many people railing against ATI cards and preferring Nvidia these days. I guess it depends upon your concerns. For years now, I've always bought ATI to get usable 3D performance and support out of the box on my Debian machines. I just use the open DRI drivers

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-23 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Fri, 2007-02-23 at 15:40 -0500, John M Flinchbaugh wrote: I've come to understand that I'll not get compiz or beryl (flashy 3d desktop environments) to work anytime soon on my ATI card, and I must admit that I don't push my machine performance with many games. My old Radeon 9100 works fine

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-23 Thread Manaen Schlabach
On 2/23/07, John M Flinchbaugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's interesting to see so many people railing against ATI cards and preferring Nvidia these days. I guess it depends upon your concerns. For years now, I've always bought ATI to get usable 3D performance and support out of the box on my

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-22 Thread Paul Johnson
Stefan Monnier wrote: Does anyone have any recent experience, either good or bad, with any specific laptops? Just avoid ATI graphics cards, and nVidia as well (tho it's not as bad). Integrated Intel graphics is often the best choice (best support under GNU/Linux, best battery life as

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-11 Thread Celejar
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 19:22:04 +0100 Lorenzo Bettini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim Wescott wrote: Does anyone have any recommendations on a distro to use? I've got Etch on this machine, and I'm mostly happy with it. At this point I'd like to stick with something that has similar

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-10 Thread Lorenzo Bettini
Tim Wescott wrote: Does anyone have any recommendations on a distro to use? I've got Etch on this machine, and I'm mostly happy with it. At this point I'd like to stick with something that has similar administration issues, but if there's a distro that's clearly better for laptops I'll go

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-10 Thread Stefan Monnier
Does anyone have any recent experience, either good or bad, with any specific laptops? Just avoid ATI graphics cards, and nVidia as well (tho it's not as bad). Integrated Intel graphics is often the best choice (best support under GNU/Linux, best battery life as well). Stefan -- To

Re: Laptop Recommendations? Thinkpad

2007-02-10 Thread Allan Wind
I am just documenting this for the mail archive. On 2007-02-02T09:56:45+0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I installed Debian/unstable on a new Thinkpad Z61p. Unfortunately my usual procedure using netboot Debian-NetInstaller didn't work, because it didnt liked the Broadcom TG3 ethernet.

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-02 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 01:12:20PM -0500, Rick Reynolds wrote: It's probably worth getting a larger hard drive and keeping a Dell-supported OS on there as a dual boot option just so you can verify that any problems you're having are not hardware related. But

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-02 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 01 Feb 2007, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 01:12:20PM -0500, Rick Reynolds wrote: It's probably worth getting a larger hard drive and keeping a Dell-supported OS on there as a dual boot option just so you can verify that any problems you're having are not

Re: Laptop Recommendations? Thinkpad

2007-02-02 Thread Bruno . Voigt
Anthony Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 02.02.2007 09:34:50: I've just acquired a Lenovo Thinkpad Z61M and am still in the process of setting up Debian on it. It's a beautiful machine, if expensive. Last time I bought a Thinkpad, about 2 years ago, I deleted all traces of Windows. This

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-02 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 05:34:45PM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: more and more I think I should be building and selling debian-installed computers... But would they sell ;-) I know i can count on you to buy one... Careful now! I

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-02 Thread Timothy Musson
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: more and more I think I should be building and selling debian-installed computers... But would they sell ;- (Sorry if I got the quotes messed up: I'm in a hurry, and folks suck at quoting ;) I for one would be interested in a supplier of

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-02 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/02/07 06:35, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 05:34:45PM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: [snip] I would start in an area that M$ does *not* cover, like what I have:

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-02 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/02/07 07:11, Timothy Musson wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: more and more I think I should be building and selling debian-installed computers... But would they sell ;- (Sorry if I got the quotes messed up:

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-02 Thread Dmitri Minaev
On 2/1/07, Tim Wescott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need a new laptop, and if possible I want to get one without paying for Windows. HP nx6110 is shipped with Freedos or Novell Linux Desktop 9 and works good with Ubuntu 6.10. Modem and hibernation work fine. I didn't install wi-fi drivers, but I

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-02 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 07:26:58AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/02/07 06:35, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 05:34:45PM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: [snip] I would start in an area that M$ does *not* cover, like

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-02 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/02/07 07:57, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 07:26:58AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/02/07 06:35, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 05:34:45PM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Re: Laptop Recommendations? Thinkpad Sound

2007-02-02 Thread Bruno . Voigt
Anthony Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 02.02.2007 15:30:57: because it didnt liked the Broadcom TG3 ethernet. [snip] Same here. I used a pcmcia card (still using it in fact because Broadcom still not working). The www.kernel.org pristine kernel works with it, I downloaded the

Re: Laptop Recommendations? Thinkpad

2007-02-02 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 02 Feb 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 02.02.2007 09:34:50: I've just acquired a Lenovo Thinkpad Z61M and am still in the process of setting up Debian on it. It's a beautiful machine, if expensive. Last time I bought a Thinkpad, about 2

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-02 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Dmitri Minaev wrote: On 2/1/07, Tim Wescott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need a new laptop, and if possible I want to get one without paying for Windows. HP nx6110 is shipped with Freedos or Novell Linux Desktop 9 and works good with Ubuntu 6.10. This:

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-02 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 09:34:25AM +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: how ironic is it that you have to keep around a notoriously unreliable operating system to prove to the manufacturer that their hardware is failing... I manage two Thinkpads: my own and

Re: Laptop Recommendations? Thinkpad

2007-02-02 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 09:56 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Negative points: The Z61p BIOS doesn't proivide a switch to Enable the Core2DUo VT-functionality yet. On the X60's and T60 it is already available. That prevented me to use Xen HVM. Hopefully Lenovo will add this feature with the

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-02 Thread Stefan Monnier
As for Thinkpads, I am so used to Hyper keys on the keyboard (aka Windows-key :)) that I found these notebooks very uncomfortable. AFAICT (I'm about to receive mine), the Thinkpad keyboards do have windows keys now. And they're among the rare laptops with 3 buttons, which is *very* convenient

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-02 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
Stefan Monnier wrote: Actually, I'm surprised at how most linux-laptop vendors offer mostly laptops with 2 buttons only, given that X11 has traditionally been used with 3-button mice, and so many applications make use of all 3. My Thinkpads actually have 5, though two are just 'duplicates' of

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-02 Thread Michael M.
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 05:34:45PM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: more and more I think I should be building and selling debian-installed computers... But would they sell ;-) I know i can count on you to buy

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-02 Thread Marc Shapiro
Stefan Monnier wrote: As for Thinkpads, I am so used to Hyper keys on the keyboard (aka Windows-key :)) that I found these notebooks very uncomfortable. AFAICT (I'm about to receive mine), the Thinkpad keyboards do have windows keys now. And they're among the rare laptops with 3 buttons,

Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-01 Thread Tim Wescott
I need a new laptop, and if possible I want to get one without paying for Windows. After looking around the web and asking locally, I've found two sources of laptops that come new with Linux loaded. One is Linux Certified, the other Emperor Linux. Linux Certified has name-brand laptops

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-01 Thread Raquel
On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 08:31:23 -0800 Tim Wescott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need a new laptop, and if possible I want to get one without paying for Windows. After looking around the web and asking locally, I've found two sources of laptops that come new with Linux loaded. One is Linux

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-01 Thread Rick Reynolds
Tim Wescott wrote: I need a new laptop, and if possible I want to get one without paying for Windows. After looking around the web and asking locally, I've found two sources of laptops that come new with Linux loaded. One is Linux Certified, the other Emperor Linux. Linux Certified has

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-01 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 01:12:20PM -0500, Rick Reynolds wrote: It's probably worth getting a larger hard drive and keeping a Dell-supported OS on there as a dual boot option just so you can verify that any problems you're having are not hardware related. But if you're more hardware savvy

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-01 Thread Alan Ianson
On Thu February 1 2007 08:31, Tim Wescott wrote: I need a new laptop, and if possible I want to get one without paying for Windows. After looking around the web and asking locally, I've found two sources of laptops that come new with Linux loaded. One is Linux Certified, the other Emperor

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-01 Thread Jeff
Alan Ianson wrote: ... I bought an hp pavilion second hand last year, not that I was really in the market for a laptop but the price was right. The unit is 3 or 4 years old now but still like new. It has an Athlon k7 running at 1.7 Ghz and 768 megs of ram and an ati video card (previous owner

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-01 Thread Kevin Mark
On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 10:18:05AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 01:12:20PM -0500, Rick Reynolds wrote: It's probably worth getting a larger hard drive and keeping a Dell-supported OS on there as a dual boot option just so you can verify that any problems

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-01 Thread Curt Howland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 01 February 2007 13:52, Rick Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: It's probably worth getting a larger hard drive and keeping a Dell-supported OS on there as a dual boot option just so you can verify that any problems you're

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-01 Thread Rick Reynolds
Curt Howland wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 01 February 2007 13:52, Rick Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: It's probably worth getting a larger hard drive and keeping a Dell-supported OS on there as a dual boot option just so you can verify that

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-01 Thread John Hasler
Kevin Mark writes: So how exactly will Dell (or any ISP for that matter) help you with issues if you dont have a supported OS that they say you need to check the HW? Dell could supply a test CD loaded with their custom test software. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-01 Thread Kevin Mark
On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 03:37:15PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: Kevin Mark writes: So how exactly will Dell (or any ISP for that matter) help you with issues if you dont have a supported OS that they say you need to check the HW? Dell could supply a test CD loaded with their custom test

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-01 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 03:04:05PM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 10:18:05AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 01:12:20PM -0500, Rick Reynolds wrote: It's probably worth getting a larger hard drive and keeping a Dell-supported OS on there as a

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-01 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 03:37:15PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: Kevin Mark writes: So how exactly will Dell (or any ISP for that matter) help you with issues if you dont have a supported OS that they say you need to check the HW? Dell could supply a test CD loaded with their custom test

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-01 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 08:31:23AM -0800, Tim Wescott wrote: I need a new laptop, and if possible I want to get one without paying for Windows. A Macbook. It even runs Etch, so you can setup a dual boot. There is an excellent HOWTO at wiki.debian.org. I've had mine for 8 months and I have

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-01 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 03:04:05PM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 10:18:05AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 01:12:20PM -0500, Rick Reynolds wrote: It's probably worth getting a larger hard drive and keeping a

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-01 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 05:34:45PM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: more and more I think I should be building and selling debian-installed computers... But would they sell ;-) I know i can count on you to buy one... A signature.asc Description: Digital

Re: Laptop Recommendations?

2007-02-01 Thread Kamaraju Kusumanchi
On Thursday 01 February 2007 17:51, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 08:31:23AM -0800, Tim Wescott wrote: I need a new laptop, and if possible I want to get one without paying for Windows. A Macbook. It even runs Etch, so you can setup a dual boot. There is an excellent