Re: Results for General Resolution: Lenny and resolving DFSG violations

2008-12-28 Thread Andreas Barth
* devo...@vote.debian.org (devo...@vote.debian.org) [081228 00:47]: Dropping Option 1 because of Majority. (0.5176991150442477876106194690265486725664) 0.518 (117/226) 1 Dropping Option 2 because of Majority. (1.736434108527131782945736434108527131783) 1.736 (224/129) 3 Dropping Option

Re: Results for General Resolution: Lenny and resolving DFSG violations

2008-12-28 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 12:04:43AM +, devo...@vote.debian.org wrote: In the following table, tally[row x][col y] represents the votes that option x received over option y. Option 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 === === === === ===

Re: Results for General Resolution: Lenny and resolving DFSG violations

2008-12-28 Thread Andreas Barth
* Anthony Towns (a...@azure.humbug.org.au) [081228 11:51]: [ difference between options 2 and 5] It's possible that has no practical difference, in which case all the furour over the running of the vote has no practical effect. Actually, if one reads the consitution the way I do (and where

Re: Results for General Resolution: Lenny and resolving DFSG violations

2008-12-28 Thread Toni Mueller
Hi, On Sun, 28.12.2008 at 21:08:04 +1000, Anthony Towns a...@azure.humbug.org.au wrote: If you consider the same results, without the supermajority requirements for options 2, 3, 4 and 6, you get: Winner: Option 2: Allow Lenny to release with proprietary firmware considering all the

Re: Results for General Resolution: Lenny and resolving DFSG violations

2008-12-28 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 02:57:37PM +0100, Toni Mueller wrote: Winner: Option 2: Allow Lenny to release with proprietary firmware considering all the problems around this particular GR, what's the best way to just undo this GR and go back to square one instead? It seems to me the

Re: Results for General Resolution: Lenny and resolving DFSG violations

2008-12-28 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 09:08:04PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: Further discussion came sixth, beaten by between 95 votes (option 2), and 11 votes (option 6), with Reaffirm the social contract last, defeated by further discussion by 109 votes. Oh, a further thought came to mind. One way to

Re: RFC: General resolution: Clarify the status of the social contract

2008-12-28 Thread Frank Küster
Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org wrote: Given that, I suggest we have a series of proposals and amendments, each in a separate email, sponsored and seconded independently, that could look something like this below: ,[ The Social contract is a binding contract ] | The

Re: Results for General Resolution: Lenny and resolving DFSG violations

2008-12-28 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
On Sun, 2008-12-28 at 09:05 +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: What this voting seems to show is that clearly a majority doesn't want to stop the release of Lenny. What it also shows however is that the mixing up of the other options on this ballot and the way the supermajority requirements were set

Re: Results for General Resolution: Lenny and resolving DFSG violations

2008-12-28 Thread Andreas Barth
* Thomas Bushnell BSG (t...@becket.net) [081228 23:56]: On Sun, 2008-12-28 at 09:05 +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: What this voting seems to show is that clearly a majority doesn't want to stop the release of Lenny. What it also shows however is that the mixing up of the other options on this

Re: Results for General Resolution: Lenny and resolving DFSG violations

2008-12-28 Thread Ben Finney
Thomas Bushnell BSG t...@becket.net writes: On Sun, 2008-12-28 at 09:05 +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: What this voting seems to show is that […] the mixing up of the other options on this ballot and the way the supermajority requirements were set is problematic, and probably supporters of

Re: Results for General Resolution: Lenny and resolving DFSG violations

2008-12-28 Thread Clint Adams
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 12:48:24AM +, Simon Huggins wrote: I thought FD was also a vote for release Lenny given it didn't change the status quo and before the GR the release team were quite happy to release... If you believe that the release team had the authority to release lenny with an

Re: Results for General Resolution: Lenny and resolving DFSG violations

2008-12-28 Thread Theodore Tso
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 12:48:24AM +, Simon Huggins wrote: I wonder how many DDs were ashamed to vote the titled Reaffirm the social contract lower than the choices that chose to release. I'm not ashamed at all; I joined before the 1.1 revision to the Debian Social Contract, which I

Re: Results for General Resolution: Lenny and resolving DFSG violations

2008-12-28 Thread Faidon Liambotis
Anthony Towns wrote: Anyway, despite something kinda close to advocacy for the FD option in the second call for votes on d-d-a, FD lost convincingly to most of the options on offer. So of any conclusions you might draw, the simplest, safest and most easily justified seems to be stop discussing

Re: Results for General Resolution: Lenny and resolving DFSG violations

2008-12-28 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 11:54 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Some members do not agree that the supermajority-required ballot options actually required changes to the foundation documents, which is not a comment on how those people think supermajority requirements should be assigned. I can only

Re: Results for General Resolution: Lenny and resolving DFSG violations

2008-12-28 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
On Sun, 2008-12-28 at 20:45 -0500, Theodore Tso wrote: On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 12:48:24AM +, Simon Huggins wrote: I wonder how many DDs were ashamed to vote the titled Reaffirm the social contract lower than the choices that chose to release. I'm not ashamed at all; I joined

Re: Results for General Resolution: Lenny and resolving DFSG violations

2008-12-28 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 15:02 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: For example, having non-free in the archive and the BTS (and potentially buildds and elsewhere) is implied by point (3) (ie, supporting Debian users who choose to use non-free software to the best of our ability), and potentially using