Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-08-25 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 06:33:01PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: Jordi Mallach wrote: On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 10:32:23PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: The requisite discussion period having been entertained, I therefore formally call for a vote on this topic, on the Resolution which I

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-08-24 Thread Edward C. Lang
AT == Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: AT On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 06:33:01PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: Jordi Mallach wrote: On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 10:32:23PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: The requisite discussion period having been entertained, I therefore

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-08-24 Thread Christian Surchi
On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 01:07:28PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: [snip] I vote for you, but I want your hallucinogens! :-) bye -- Christian Surchi | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] FLUG: http://www.firenze.linux.it | Debian GNU/Linux: http://www.debian.org -

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-08-23 Thread Martin Schulze
Jordi Mallach wrote: On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 10:32:23PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: The requisite discussion period having been entertained, I therefore formally call for a vote on this topic, on the Resolution which I originally posted on June 7, 2000, a copy of which is included below.

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-08-23 Thread Steve Greenland
On 23-Aug-00, 11:33 (CDT), Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jordi Mallach wrote: On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 10:32:23PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: The requisite discussion period having been entertained, I therefore formally call for a vote on this topic, on the Resolution which I

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-08-23 Thread John Goerzen
The real reason is that Gecko has just been extremely busy. He'll plan to do it soon. -- John Buddha Buck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 01:49 PM 8/23/00 -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: I just assumed the proposal originator decided it wasn't going to pass anyway and let's just spare the

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-08-23 Thread Martin Schulze
Jordi Mallach wrote: On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 10:32:23PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: The requisite discussion period having been entertained, I therefore formally call for a vote on this topic, on the Resolution which I originally posted on June 7, 2000, a copy of which is included below.

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-08-23 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 06:33:01PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: Jordi Mallach wrote: On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 10:32:23PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: The requisite discussion period having been entertained, I therefore formally call for a vote on this topic, on the Resolution which I

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-08-23 Thread Steve Greenland
On 23-Aug-00, 11:33 (CDT), Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jordi Mallach wrote: On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 10:32:23PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: The requisite discussion period having been entertained, I therefore formally call for a vote on this topic, on the Resolution which I

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-08-23 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Martin Schulze wrote: Jordi Mallach wrote: Nearly 3 months later, a question disturbs me. When are we going to vote on this?! No vote, just rm. $ man rm NAME rm - remove files or directories - remove the proposal? remove non-free files? I just assumed the proposal originator

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-08-23 Thread Buddha Buck
At 01:49 PM 8/23/00 -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: I just assumed the proposal originator decided it wasn't going to pass anyway and let's just spare the project the agony of going through it. Just speculation on my part. Seemed like a good decision if that was the case. My interpretation

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-08-23 Thread John Goerzen
The real reason is that Gecko has just been extremely busy. He'll plan to do it soon. -- John Buddha Buck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 01:49 PM 8/23/00 -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: I just assumed the proposal originator decided it wasn't going to pass anyway and let's just spare the

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-08-23 Thread Jordi Mallach
On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 10:32:23PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: The requisite discussion period having been entertained, I therefore formally call for a vote on this topic, on the Resolution which I originally posted on June 7, 2000, a copy of which is included below. Nearly 3 months later, a

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-07-20 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 08:27:43PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 03:19:38AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Non sequitur. If you must reply to every post, at least try to add something besides frivolous one-liners. They don't suit you at all. Hmm, I always thought my

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-07-19 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 03:19:38AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 09:04:37PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 10:32:23PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: E. That the disposition of the non-free areas in historical, released, and frozen Debian

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-07-13 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 10:32:23PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: E. That the disposition of the non-free areas in historical, released, and frozen Debian Distrubutions and archives shall be determined per the Debian Constitution. Are you suggesting that we remove non-free and contrib from past

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-07-12 Thread Jordi Mallach
On Fri, Jul 07, 2000 at 08:36:57AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: (this is probably a mistake but i'm breaking my rule of not responding to the stupid things you say because the stupidity level in your message is particularly annoying) On Wed, Jul 05, 2000 at 10:08:18PM -0700, Joseph Carter

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-07-06 Thread Joseph Carter
On Wed, Jul 05, 2000 at 04:05:37PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: This is the same as the old Who does Debian Admin answer to? thread. It seems more like the I don't want this to happen, so I will be a rules lawyer thread to me. Well, not that anybody asked me (because they didn't) but as I see

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-07-06 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Joey == Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joey So we issue DFSG v2, a new document that just happens to include the Joey text of DFSG v1 verbatim, except for oner paragraph. I think that is what should be done in any case, if this GR passes. We leave the DFSG around (since other

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-07-06 Thread Joey Hess
Manoj Srivastava wrote: Joey == Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joey So we issue DFSG v2, a new document that just happens to include the Joey text of DFSG v1 verbatim, except for oner paragraph. I think that is what should be done in any case, if this GR passes. We leave the

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-07-06 Thread Craig Sanders
(this is probably a mistake but i'm breaking my rule of not responding to the stupid things you say because the stupidity level in your message is particularly annoying) On Wed, Jul 05, 2000 at 10:08:18PM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote: Well, not that anybody asked me (because they didn't) but as I

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-07-05 Thread Joey Hess
Craig Sanders wrote: the facts do support what i say. the debian constitution states what documents may be created or modified by vote, yet fails to mention that either the social contract or the DFSG may be so modified. what this means is that you can't call for a vote to change either of

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-07-05 Thread Steve Greenland
On 05-Jul-00, 16:54 (CDT), Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Craig Sanders wrote: the facts do support what i say. the debian constitution states what documents may be created or modified by vote, yet fails to mention that either the social contract or the DFSG may be so modified.

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-07-05 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Steve Greenland wrote: However: 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election 4.1. Powers Together, the Developers may: [**snip**] 5.Issue nontechnical policy documents and

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-07-05 Thread Joey Hess
Adam Heath wrote: Issue, but doesn't say a thing about modifying preexisting documents and statements. So we issue DFSG v2, a new document that just happens to include the text of DFSG v1 verbatim, except for oner paragraph. This is the same as the old Who does Debian Admin answer to? thread.

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-07-05 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, Jul 05, 2000 at 05:56:37PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Steve Greenland wrote: 5.Issue nontechnical policy documents and statements. Issue, but doesn't say a thing about modifying preexisting documents and statements. precisely. if we end up deciding that these

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-07-03 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jul 03, 2000 at 04:06:41PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 10:32:03PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: The requisite discussion period having been entertained, I therefore formally call for a vote on this topic, on the Resolution which I originally posted on June 7,

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-07-03 Thread Craig Sanders
On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 10:32:03PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: The requisite discussion period having been entertained, I therefore formally call for a vote on this topic, on the Resolution which I originally posted on June 7, 2000, a copy of which is included below. your CFV is

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-07-03 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jul 03, 2000 at 04:06:41PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 10:32:03PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: The requisite discussion period having been entertained, I therefore formally call for a vote on this topic, on the Resolution which I originally posted on June 7,

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-07-03 Thread Matthew Vernon
John Goerzen writes: Matthew Vernon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The requisite discussion period having been entertained, I therefore formally call for a vote on this topic, on the Resolution which I originally posted on June 7, 2000, a copy of which is included below.

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-07-03 Thread John Goerzen
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: your CFV is unconstitutional because nothing in the consitution allows the Social Contract or DFSG to be amended. pragmatism Nothing in the constitution specifically says that Craig Sanders can post to debian-vote, so your e-mail is unconstitutional.

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-07-03 Thread John Goerzen
Matthew Vernon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I really don't know, but as it's not mine and as I do not support it, I don't think I should be calling for votes on it. AIUI, the GR and Ammendment both have to be voted on at the same time, so your CFV has to refer to the Ammendment as well?

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-07-03 Thread Craig Sanders
On Mon, Jul 03, 2000 at 10:26:18AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: your CFV is unconstitutional because nothing in the consitution allows the Social Contract or DFSG to be amended. pragmatism Nothing in the constitution specifically says that Craig

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-07-02 Thread John Goerzen
Matthew Vernon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The requisite discussion period having been entertained, I therefore formally call for a vote on this topic, on the Resolution which I originally posted on June 7, 2000, a copy of which is included below. Shouldn't we be voting on the

CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-06-30 Thread Matthew Vernon
John Goerzen writes: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The requisite discussion period having been entertained, I therefore formally call for a vote on this topic, on the Resolution which I originally posted on June 7, 2000, a copy of which is included below. Shouldn't we

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-06-30 Thread Buddha Buck
John Goerzen writes: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The requisite discussion period having been entertained, I therefore formally call for a vote on this topic, on the Resolution which I originally posted on June 7, 2000, a copy of which is included below.

CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-06-29 Thread John Goerzen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The requisite discussion period having been entertained, I therefore formally call for a vote on this topic, on the Resolution which I originally posted on June 7, 2000, a copy of which is included below. Resolved: A. That the Debian Social

CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-06-29 Thread John Goerzen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The requisite discussion period having been entertained, I therefore formally call for a vote on this topic, on the Resolution which I originally posted on June 7, 2000, a copy of which is included below. Resolved: A. That the Debian Social