Re: Re:%20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007, Anthony Towns wrote: On Tue, Jun 26, 2007 at 10:22:48AM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote: * Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070625 20:45]: You're already doing that in the sense that uploading such a package already instructs the BTS to forwards filed bugs to that

Re: Re:%20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-27 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 09:32:59AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: The easiest way to avoid that problem would be to require a new field in the package DM-Upload: okay to allow DM uploads, as well as an entry in the Maintainer:/Uploaders: field. [...] Agreed. However, you need to check that

Re: Re:%20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007, Anthony Towns wrote: The proposal was to check based the Maintainer/Uploader field of the previous .dsc upload to unstable/experimental, and presumably doing the same thing for the DM-Upload-Allowed: field (or whatever it's called). (This doesn't address the case of

Re: Re:%20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-26 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070625 20:45]: You're already doing that in the sense that uploading such a package already instructs the BTS to forwards filed bugs to that person. For that there luckily is pts subscription available. (So those bugs cannot be hidden by closing them before I

Re: Re:%20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-26 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Jun 26, 2007 at 10:22:48AM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote: * Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070625 20:45]: You're already doing that in the sense that uploading such a package already instructs the BTS to forwards filed bugs to that person. For that there luckily is pts

Re: %20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-25 Thread Frank Küster
Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - then I am granted the right to help fixing the bug I found a few months ago No, you don't have to do that to help fix the bug. To help fix the bug, all you have to do is post a patch on the bug log. Which is what he did. If you think the

Re:%20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-25 Thread Benjamin BAYART
So here was my practical conclusion: I did send a bug report, useless during months, and that bug report was used to argue that the package is broken and unkaintained and to remove it. Conclusion: reporting on a un-maintained package is something dangerous. Hm, what was the severity of the

Re: %20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-25 Thread Joey Schulze
Benjamin BAYART wrote: Another case come back in my mind: pandora. Those fonts have been available with TeX since years and years. They have been removed from Debian/main for good reasons (wrong license: free for non commercial use). In my mind, in such a case, it should be mandatory to move

Re: %20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-25 Thread Frank Küster
Benjamin BAYART [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So here was my practical conclusion: I did send a bug report, useless during months, and that bug report was used to argue that the package is broken and unkaintained and to remove it. Conclusion: reporting on a un-maintained package is something

Re: Re:%20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-25 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Benjamin BAYART [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070625 13:14]: If you read back to the DM proposal, it is clearly stated that a DM is not allowed to upload a NEW package. So, the approach is not wanting to packageupload anything but a given package. But licenses are nothing fixed. Upstream can decide to

Re: Re:%20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-25 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
On Mon, 2007-06-25 at 12:53 +0200, Benjamin BAYART wrote: Le Sun, Jun 24, 2007 at 09:50:37PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG: Yes. So, the right solution if I want to help is: - first I spend a lot of time proving that I'm skilled enough to read crazy licenses in a language that is not

Re: Re:%20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-25 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 05:13:35PM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote: To the DM proposers: Does the suggestion in the current form mean that I will no longer be allowed to sponser anyone out of fear he might become DM and thus said he is capable enough to maintain this type of package. If you

Re:%20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-24 Thread Benjamin BAYART
For me, I do want to be part of Debian anymore does not coincide with I want to upload to Debian. Someone who uploads to Debian *is* part of the community. I see no reason to vote for a proposal that facilitates people who explicitly denounce Debian to be granted rights to the same

Re:%20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-24 Thread Benjamin BAYART
I do not think that this is a fair characterisation of what is required of being a DD. There's no requirement to read any list except debian-devel-announce, which has less than one post per day on average. There's no need to get involved in licensing discussions, except of course when

Re: %20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-24 Thread Joey Schulze
Benjamin, it seems to me that neither NM nor DM is suited for you. Reporting broken stuff and optionally attaching a patch later or at the same time is the way to go. In case of TeX packages, there's the TeX maintainer team that will probably take care of your fix. In case of other packages,

Re: %20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-24 Thread Joey Schulze
Pierre Habouzit wrote: If you are _that_ interested in helping the TeX packaging team, join it, I think it's co-maintained on alioth, you just need an alioth account, it takes a few minutes to have one, and you'll have to ask the pkg-tex people to give you commits rights, which should do

Re: %20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-24 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Sun, Jun 24, 2007 at 04:48:22PM +0200, Benjamin BAYART wrote: That is probably a good way to shape a young contributor begginning in free software contributions. I would probably have done that, 15 years ago. But nowadays, I'm involved in a lot of projects, some are of importance, at least

Re: %20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-24 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Benjamin BAYART [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070624 17:11]: Yes. So, the right solution if I want to help is: - first I spend a lot of time proving that I'm skilled enough to read crazy licenses in a language that is not mine There is hardly any package thinkable, where one can be sure the

Re: Re:%20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-24 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Yes. So, the right solution if I want to help is: - first I spend a lot of time proving that I'm skilled enough to read crazy licenses in a language that is not mine No, you only have to do this if you want to package software and upload it into the archive without review. - then I spend