Re: [Declude.JunkMail] What is this about ??

2003-12-02 Thread R. Scott Perry

I've gotten serveral of these the past few minutes.
Below are the full headers ..I'm assuming they are trying to relay ???
It's hard to say what spammers are doing when they aren't sending a real 
spam to someone.  They may be making relay attempts, they may be checking 
to see if you have blocked a certain IP, they may be trying to get people 
to reply...

Also it seems that declude is claiming that 216.204.154.7 has no MX.
DnsStuff.com reports:
Actually, that's a server of yours, which you've let Declude JunkMail know 
about.  The confusion is that the spammer is doing something really 
stupid:  He's claiming that his computer is an Internet host with the same 
name as your IP (that's about as silly as giving out a phone number when 
asked for a credit card -- it just doesn't work).

Received: from 216.204.154.7 [24.241.184.85] by maineconnect.net
  (SMTPD32-8.01) id A524B75700F8; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 18:56:20 -0500
This is the Received: header that Declude JunkMail is looking at -- Declude 
uses the IP 24.241.184.85 for scanning, and a host name of 216.204.154.7 
(which isn't a valid host name, so the E-mail fails the HELOBOGUS test).

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] What is this about ??

2003-12-02 Thread Omar K.
I've got an IMGate machine in front of my imail/declude, and ive set it up
to drop any connection where anywhere in the SMTP header/banner it claims an
IP or a domain of mine.

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Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] What is this about ??



I've gotten serveral of these the past few minutes.
Below are the full headers ..I'm assuming they are trying to relay ???

It's hard to say what spammers are doing when they aren't sending a real 
spam to someone.  They may be making relay attempts, they may be checking 
to see if you have blocked a certain IP, they may be trying to get people 
to reply...

Also it seems that declude is claiming that 216.204.154.7 has no MX.
DnsStuff.com reports:

Actually, that's a server of yours, which you've let Declude JunkMail know 
about.  The confusion is that the spammer is doing something really 
stupid:  He's claiming that his computer is an Internet host with the same 
name as your IP (that's about as silly as giving out a phone number when 
asked for a credit card -- it just doesn't work).

Received: from 216.204.154.7 [24.241.184.85] by maineconnect.net
   (SMTPD32-8.01) id A524B75700F8; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 18:56:20 -0500

This is the Received: header that Declude JunkMail is looking at -- Declude 
uses the IP 24.241.184.85 for scanning, and a host name of 216.204.154.7 
(which isn't a valid host name, so the E-mail fails the HELOBOGUS test).

-Scott
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AW: AW: [Declude.JunkMail] More ATTACH and MAILBOX questions

2003-12-02 Thread Guhl, Markus (LDS)
Title: AW: AW: [Declude.JunkMail] More ATTACH and MAILBOX questions






thank you, great news!!



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-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-

Von: R. Scott Perry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Gesendet am: Montag, 1. Dezember 2003 16:18

An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Betreff: Re: AW: [Declude.JunkMail] More ATTACH and MAILBOX questions



since more then 2000 of my users use web messaging the attach action is no 

real option for me.

i use declude virus as well and there i use the emailnotifikation for the 

recipient when an email is hold because of a vulnerability. in this 

notification i give the queue file name of the hold email to the recipient 

and let him decide if he wants the message to be delivered (right now we 

do this by hand, but we working on an other way). if there would be a 

notification based an the hold action in jm, i could use it in a similar 

way (at least for those messages with a weight on the edge between legal 

and spam). the best thing would be, if i had something like 

skipifweightishigher in the eml for this!


We are actually looking into notifications for Declude JunkMail (where the 

notifications could be batched, too, such as daily notifications).


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with

2003-12-02 Thread Pete McNeil
I recommend a simple scheme of simple characters and escape sequences.
Borrowing from our Message Sniffer rule coding, how about _ as a space,
and if you really need the _ character itself then you use \_. Then you
also have to use \\ when you want the \, but that's a small price to pay
and it's easy to code.

Just a thought.
_M

|-Original Message-
|From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
|[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kami Razvan
|Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 5:54 PM
|To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
|
|
|[Bill] [stranger] [things] [have] [happened] [in] [the] [past].
|
|[space] [may] [not] [be] [used] [but] [starting] [reserve] 
|[words] [can] [start] [a] [precedent] [that] [could] [make] 
|[filtering] [and] [debugging] [a] [nightmare].
|
|[Regards,] [:)]
|[Kami]
|
|
|-Original Message-
|From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Landry
|Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 5:32 PM
|To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
|
|It's not really a reserved word since the suggestion was 
|space enclosed in square brackets - how often have you seen 
|that used in a sentence:  wow, I really [space] out sometimes...  ;-)
|
|Bill
|- Original Message -
|From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 1:27 PM
|Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
|
|
| I have to agree with Kami. I would rather not define reserved words.
|
| John Tolmachoff
| Engineer/Consultant/Owner
| eServices For You
|
|
|  -Original Message-
|  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- 
|  [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kami Razvan
|  Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 12:36 PM
|  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|  Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
| 
|  Matt..
| 
|  This is scary .. Now you are suggesting we start defining reserve
|words..
| 
|  This way, if it starts a trend, we can not filter on [space] 
|  anymore..
| 
|  Just a thought.
| 
|  Kami
| 
| 
|  -Original Message-
|  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew 
|  Bramble
|  Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 3:23 PM
|  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
| 
|  Scott,
| 
|  Instead of adding it a command, how about you just create a 
|  substitution string for space, i.e. [space].  This way it could be 
|  used in this fashion, as well as before some words (as a delimiter 
|  in the sense that Bill earlier
|  suggested).
| 
|  SUBJECT  0  BEGINSWITH  [space]
|  BODY  0  CONTAINS  [space]ass
| 
|  Matt
| 
| 
| 
|  R. Scott Perry wrote:
| 
|  
|   Scott, feature request. (Sigh, another one.)
|  
|   Can you add something like this:
|  
|   SUBJECT 0 STARTSWITHSPACE
|  
|   I am seeing a good amount of spam where the subject line starts 
|   with a space and then some character and then the subject.
|  
|  
|   Ah, good idea -- I'll see if we can add that.
|  
|  -Scott
|  
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with

2003-12-02 Thread Pete McNeil
Ha ha ha! plop... (laughs his head off)

|-Original Message-
|From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
|[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Landry
|Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:22 PM
|To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
|
|
|Oh, yes, now it get it...  [eye rolling out of head onto floor]  ;-)
|
|Bill
|- Original Message - 
|From: Kami Razvan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:53 PM
|Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
|
|
| [Bill] [stranger] [things] [have] [happened] [in] [the] [past].
|
| [space] [may] [not] [be] [used] [but] [starting] [reserve] [words] 
| [can] [start] [a] [precedent] [that] [could] [make] [filtering] [and]
|[debugging]
| [a] [nightmare].
|
| [Regards,] [:)]
| [Kami]
|
|
| -Original Message-
| From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Landry
| Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 5:32 PM
| To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
|
| It's not really a reserved word since the suggestion was space 
| enclosed
|in
| square brackets - how often have you seen that used in a sentence:  
| wow, I really [space] out sometimes...  ;-)
|
| Bill
| - Original Message -
| From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 1:27 PM
| Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
|
|
|  I have to agree with Kami. I would rather not define 
|reserved words.
| 
|  John Tolmachoff
|  Engineer/Consultant/Owner
|  eServices For You
| 
| 
|   -Original Message-
|   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
|[mailto:Declude.JunkMail- 
|   [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kami Razvan
|   Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 12:36 PM
|   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|   Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
|  
|   Matt..
|  
|   This is scary .. Now you are suggesting we start defining reserve
| words..
|  
|   This way, if it starts a trend, we can not filter on [space] 
|   anymore..
|  
|   Just a thought.
|  
|   Kami
|  
|  
|   -Original Message-
|   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew
|Bramble
|   Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 3:23 PM
|   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|   Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
|  
|   Scott,
|  
|   Instead of adding it a command, how about you just create a
|substitution
|   string for space, i.e. [space].  This way it could be 
|used in this 
|   fashion, as well as before some words (as a delimiter in 
|the sense 
|   that Bill earlier
|   suggested).
|  
|   SUBJECT  0  BEGINSWITH  [space]
|   BODY  0  CONTAINS  [space]ass
|  
|   Matt
|  
|  
|  
|   R. Scott Perry wrote:
|  
|   
|Scott, feature request. (Sigh, another one.)
|   
|Can you add something like this:
|   
|SUBJECT 0 STARTSWITHSPACE
|   
|I am seeing a good amount of spam where the subject 
|line starts
|with
|a space and then some character and then the subject.
|   
|   
|Ah, good idea -- I'll see if we can add that.
|   
|   -Scott
|   
|  
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[Declude.JunkMail] Interesting.. Now PGP is used

2003-12-02 Thread Kami Razvan
Title: Interesting.. Now PGP is used 






Hi;

Interesting spam


Now they are using PGP code  


Just in case you are adding negative weight for PGP - something to keep in mind.


Regards,

Kami





-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1


Hi,
your request for notification for the ZONE (sites i need to see)of
pfb2
has been scheduled.

You will get another notification shortly after your request has been
processed.
If you do not get any further notification during the next 24 hours,
don't hesitate to contact our support team.


She is way too fine for this ugly dude:
http://gnome30.route.antipuff.nom.br/?f=5666/dm_ff.htm


In case of any questions regarding your request please visit our
support area
on http://vju3.com



Best regards,

your qrvn7-Team


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p3.com is a division of
The cheese factory
650 N Peko Lane
Arka, TX
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https://l8.net
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Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux)

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] sniffer

2003-12-02 Thread Keith Anderson

It's not worth paying the subscription fee, in my opinion.  I have a client
that's paying for it, and it doesn't catch very much that isn't already
caught somewhere else.

 I am considering Maps too. But it's $1500/yr. Anyone using them?



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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] sniffer

2003-12-02 Thread Mark Smith
Sniffer's well worth the $300.00 per year.
That breaks down to less than $1.00 per day.

It catches content that some RBLs don't catch.

Mark

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 It's not worth paying the subscription fee, in my opinion.  I
 have a client that's paying for it, and it doesn't catch very
 much that isn't already caught somewhere else.

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[Declude.JunkMail] Spamchk fine tuning?

2003-12-02 Thread Matt Robertson
I just set up spamchk and was wondering if anyone can share some
fine-tuning info with me?  Updated keyword lists and such?  I tried
subscribing to their list but all I get back is an Invalid Syntax email
from their mail server.

Cheers,


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problems with Errors in Logs

2003-12-02 Thread Andy Schmidt

It appears that you may have forgotten to mention the TEXT of the error
message that appears in the logs.  Knowing what error is reported may be the
key in pin-pointing the cause.

Best Regards
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problems with Errors in Logs

2003-12-02 Thread Daniel Ivey
The messages are as follows:

Error; failure opening (message ID) in the declude junkmail file
Error opening mime file (message ID) in the declude antivirus file

Sorry for the generic message, but the log files are gone.

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Voice:  434 - 570 - 1765
Fax: 434 - 572 - 1981
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problems with Errors in Logs


It appears that you may have forgotten to mention the TEXT of the error
message that appears in the logs.  Knowing what error is reported may be the
key in pin-pointing the cause.

Best Regards
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problems with Errors in Logs

2003-12-02 Thread R. Scott Perry

The messages are as follows:

Error; failure opening (message ID) in the declude junkmail file
Error opening mime file (message ID) in the declude antivirus file
Sorry for the generic message, but the log files are gone.
The best way to determine what is happening here is to use the debug mode.

To use the debug mode, you can change the LOGLEVEL LOW line in 
\IMail\Declude\global.cfg to LOGLEVEL DEBUG.  Then, after about a minute, 
you can then switch back to LOGLEVEL LOW (the debug mode adds huge 
amounts of information to the log file).  You can then send me the 
\IMail\spool\dec.log file (as an attachment, NOT sent from web 
messaging), and I can take a look at it to see what is happening.

   -Scott
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[Declude.JunkMail] possible request for feature

2003-12-02 Thread Daniel Grotjan
Can there be a way for a filter to fail all or nothing.  For instance, everyone seems 
to be receiving spam with no subject, and fake tags such as gkslthsjewl.  I receive 
thousands of these messages a day, all from different spammers.  I have been filtering 
on the two characteristics, and it usually gets to my hold weight.  I don't want to 
set a very high weight for blank subjects because I'm sure of FP's. If I could combine 
the two I would feel comfortable deleting on just this test.

If I could somehow define a filter that will only fail if all instances in the filter 
are true I could set up...
SUBJECT 0  ISBLANK
BODY0  STARTSWITH  g
and delete on this filter file alone.  Maybe some statement at the top to define it, 
similar to the features you are adding with the maxweight and skipifweight.  If it is 
for some reason it is not a good idea to do with a filter, maybe a new type of test 
could be created to do this.  This could cut down on spam, but also save some 
resources if the test could be run first.  No dns request would have to be made or any 
other filters run.

If this has already been covered I apologize.  If there is already a way to do this 
please let me know how.

BTW, has anyone else seen the ridiculous increase in spam that I have?  A few days 
before Thanksgiving my inbound mail increased from around 400,000 a day to over 2 
million messages a day.  I died back down over the holiday weekend but has picked back 
up now.  I guess the spammers took Thanksgiving off too.  Over the years it has been 
common for us to get more spam during Christmas, but not like this.  I guess everyone 
is taking up spamming as a way to make extra Christmas money.


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problems with Errors in Logs

2003-12-02 Thread Daniel Ivey
Scott,

The problem seems to have corrected itself.  However if the problem occurs
again, this will be the first thing that I do and I will email them to you.
Thanks for the help Scott.

Daniel

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Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 12:56 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Problems with Errors in Logs


The messages are as follows:

Error; failure opening (message ID) in the declude junkmail file
Error opening mime file (message ID) in the declude antivirus file

Sorry for the generic message, but the log files are gone.

The best way to determine what is happening here is to use the debug mode.

To use the debug mode, you can change the LOGLEVEL LOW line in
\IMail\Declude\global.cfg to LOGLEVEL DEBUG.  Then, after about a minute,
you can then switch back to LOGLEVEL LOW (the debug mode adds huge
amounts of information to the log file).  You can then send me the
\IMail\spool\dec.log file (as an attachment, NOT sent from web
messaging), and I can take a look at it to see what is happening.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamchk fine tuning?

2003-12-02 Thread Chuck Schick
Matt:

At what weights do you hold and delete?  I will share my config file with
you with the caveat that I am still fine tuning.

I have been running Spamchk in production mode for about a month and have
had excellant results.  I turned it off for a day when I was trying to
reduce some of the false positives and I received comments from customers
that they noticed something had changed so I turned it back on.

Chuck Schick
Warp 8, Inc.
303-421-5140
www.warp8.com


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 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamchk fine tuning?


 I just set up spamchk and was wondering if anyone can share some
 fine-tuning info with me?  Updated keyword lists and such?  I tried
 subscribing to their list but all I get back is an Invalid
 Syntax email
 from their mail server.

 Cheers,

 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] possible request for feature

2003-12-02 Thread R. Scott Perry

If I could somehow define a filter that will only fail if all instances in 
the filter are true I could set up...
SUBJECT 0  ISBLANK
BODY0  STARTSWITH  g
and delete on this filter file alone.
This is something that we are looking into.  :)

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamchk fine tuning?

2003-12-02 Thread Nick Hayer
Matt - 

What I did was in the beta version set a max weight and a min weight 
to be returned.  [I have it set now at 8 and -2 respectivly.]

Then  let it run and check the log file to see what is failing -  
adjust accordingly.

I ended up reducing the scores for failures in the ini by ~50+% since 
I hold on 15 and delete on 30.

-Nick






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Subject:[Declude.JunkMail] Spamchk fine tuning?
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 I just set up spamchk and was wondering if anyone can share some
 fine-tuning info with me?  Updated keyword lists and such?  I tried
 subscribing to their list but all I get back is an Invalid Syntax
 email from their mail server.
 
 Cheers,
 
 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] possible request for feature

2003-12-02 Thread Burzin Sumariwalla
I actually noticed ramp up to the holiday, followed by a large increase 
over the holiday weekend.
The most popular single spam involved a city in France and a hotel 
chain.  This even beat out
the ever popular enhancement of body parts category.

Burzin



At 12:09 PM 12/2/2003, you wrote:
BTW, has anyone else seen the ridiculous increase in spam that I have?  A 
few days before Thanksgiving my inbound mail increased from around 400,000 
a day to over 2 million messages a day.  I died back down over the holiday 
weekend but has picked back up now.  I guess the spammers took 
Thanksgiving off too.  Over the years it has been common for us to get 
more spam during Christmas, but not like this.  I guess everyone is taking 
up spamming as a way to make extra Christmas money.

-Daniel
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BODY STARTSWITH

2003-12-02 Thread Bill Landry
Matt, I was noticing that you are using END in this file.  How is that
feature enabled?  When I add END to any of my files, it seems that
JunkMail just skips the entire files.  Is there something that you need to
add to the global.cfg to enable this filter feature?

Bill
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From: Matthew Bramble [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BODY STARTSWITH


 Munged twice so far, so I am resending this time without the zip file
 attachment in the event that there is some sort of restriction on this.
 The referenced file can be downloaded from the following link:


http://www.mailpure.com/software/decludefilters/gibberish/Gibberish_v2-0-0.txt

 Matt

  Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BODY STARTSWITH
 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:39:22 -0500
 From: Matthew Bramble [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Scott,

 I've attached a new copy of the GIBBERISH filter that makes use of the
 END and MAXPOINTS functionality that was discussed previously.  Am I
 correct that these can also be used now with Declude JunkMail Pro
 v1.76i27?  And if so, did I follow the implemented methodology?

 Essentially, I'm using the functionality to simplify into one file and
 save on processing.  I tried to order things within the file so that the
 most common END statements would be hit first, and I scored the Main
 Filter hits at 1000 so that it would be easy for an administrator to
 modify the scoring by just adjusting the MAXPOINTS entry.  The MAXPOINTS
 entry should keep the filter from adding points incrementally, and it
 should end the test after one hit, producing no more score than the
 MAXPOINTS entry allows.  Scoring isn't applied to the filter in the
 Global.cfg file since it is all handled internal to the filter.

 Note to fellow admins:  This file also hasn't been tested because I am
 not yet using the proper release.  I'm really just putting it out there
 to see if Scott can tell me if I got the idea right.  I must stress that
 this is not intended to be used for any versions of Declude JunkMail Pro
 prior to v1.76i27 because it could result in assessing 1000 or more
 points without proper software support, and it may have other issues.
 Please do not put this into a production environment unless you
 understand what you are doing and are going to monitor it closely.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with

2003-12-02 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
newbieOooh! Scott, how about you *just* implement in the next interim full
regexp text processing like product X along with MIME decoding like product
Y, MIME error handling like product Z, with a whole new filtering grammar
that lets us specify the layer of decoding at which the text filter line is
run?/newbie

Andrew ;)

-Original Message-
From: Pete McNeil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 6:50 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with


I recommend a simple scheme of simple characters and escape sequences.
Borrowing from our Message Sniffer rule coding, how about _ as a space,
and if you really need the _ character itself then you use \_. Then you
also have to use \\ when you want the \, but that's a small price to pay
and it's easy to code.

Just a thought.
_M

|-Original Message-
|From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
|[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kami Razvan
|Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 5:54 PM
|To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
|
|
|[Bill] [stranger] [things] [have] [happened] [in] [the] [past].
|
|[space] [may] [not] [be] [used] [but] [starting] [reserve] 
|[words] [can] [start] [a] [precedent] [that] [could] [make] 
|[filtering] [and] [debugging] [a] [nightmare].
|
|[Regards,] [:)]
|[Kami]
|
|
|-Original Message-
|From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Landry
|Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 5:32 PM
|To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
|
|It's not really a reserved word since the suggestion was 
|space enclosed in square brackets - how often have you seen 
|that used in a sentence:  wow, I really [space] out sometimes...  ;-)
|
|Bill
|- Original Message -
|From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 1:27 PM
|Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
|
|
| I have to agree with Kami. I would rather not define reserved words.
|
| John Tolmachoff
| Engineer/Consultant/Owner
| eServices For You
|
|
|  -Original Message-
|  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- 
|  [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kami Razvan
|  Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 12:36 PM
|  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|  Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
| 
|  Matt..
| 
|  This is scary .. Now you are suggesting we start defining reserve
|words..
| 
|  This way, if it starts a trend, we can not filter on [space] 
|  anymore..
| 
|  Just a thought.
| 
|  Kami
| 
| 
|  -Original Message-
|  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew 
|  Bramble
|  Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 3:23 PM
|  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
| 
|  Scott,
| 
|  Instead of adding it a command, how about you just create a 
|  substitution string for space, i.e. [space].  This way it could be 
|  used in this fashion, as well as before some words (as a delimiter 
|  in the sense that Bill earlier
|  suggested).
| 
|  SUBJECT  0  BEGINSWITH  [space]
|  BODY  0  CONTAINS  [space]ass
| 
|  Matt
| 
| 
| 
|  R. Scott Perry wrote:
| 
|  
|   Scott, feature request. (Sigh, another one.)
|  
|   Can you add something like this:
|  
|   SUBJECT 0 STARTSWITHSPACE
|  
|   I am seeing a good amount of spam where the subject line starts 
|   with a space and then some character and then the subject.
|  
|  
|   Ah, good idea -- I'll see if we can add that.
|  
|  -Scott
|  
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with

2003-12-02 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
ROLLING EYES

Of course, I have to take blame for this since I started the thread. NOT!

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You


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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colbeck, Andrew
 Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 12:12 PM
 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
 
 newbieOooh! Scott, how about you *just* implement in the next interim
 full
 regexp text processing like product X along with MIME decoding like
 product
 Y, MIME error handling like product Z, with a whole new filtering grammar
 that lets us specify the layer of decoding at which the text filter line
 is
 run?/newbie
 
 Andrew ;)
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Pete McNeil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 6:50 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
 
 
 I recommend a simple scheme of simple characters and escape sequences.
 Borrowing from our Message Sniffer rule coding, how about _ as a space,
 and if you really need the _ character itself then you use \_. Then you
 also have to use \\ when you want the \, but that's a small price to pay
 and it's easy to code.
 
 Just a thought.
 _M
 
 |-Original Message-
 |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kami Razvan
 |Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 5:54 PM
 |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 |Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
 |
 |
 |[Bill] [stranger] [things] [have] [happened] [in] [the] [past].
 |
 |[space] [may] [not] [be] [used] [but] [starting] [reserve]
 |[words] [can] [start] [a] [precedent] [that] [could] [make]
 |[filtering] [and] [debugging] [a] [nightmare].
 |
 |[Regards,] [:)]
 |[Kami]
 |
 |
 |-Original Message-
 |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Landry
 |Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 5:32 PM
 |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 |Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
 |
 |It's not really a reserved word since the suggestion was
 |space enclosed in square brackets - how often have you seen
 |that used in a sentence:  wow, I really [space] out sometimes...  ;-)
 |
 |Bill
 |- Original Message -
 |From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 |Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 1:27 PM
 |Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
 |
 |
 | I have to agree with Kami. I would rather not define reserved words.
 |
 | John Tolmachoff
 | Engineer/Consultant/Owner
 | eServices For You
 |
 |
 |  -Original Message-
 |  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
 |  [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kami Razvan
 |  Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 12:36 PM
 |  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 |  Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
 | 
 |  Matt..
 | 
 |  This is scary .. Now you are suggesting we start defining reserve
 |words..
 | 
 |  This way, if it starts a trend, we can not filter on [space]
 |  anymore..
 | 
 |  Just a thought.
 | 
 |  Kami
 | 
 | 
 |  -Original Message-
 |  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 |  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew
 |  Bramble
 |  Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 3:23 PM
 |  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 |  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Starts with
 | 
 |  Scott,
 | 
 |  Instead of adding it a command, how about you just create a
 |  substitution string for space, i.e. [space].  This way it could be
 |  used in this fashion, as well as before some words (as a delimiter
 |  in the sense that Bill earlier
 |  suggested).
 | 
 |  SUBJECT  0  BEGINSWITH  [space]
 |  BODY  0  CONTAINS  [space]ass
 | 
 |  Matt
 | 
 | 
 | 
 |  R. Scott Perry wrote:
 | 
 |  
 |   Scott, feature request. (Sigh, another one.)
 |  
 |   Can you add something like this:
 |  
 |   SUBJECT 0 STARTSWITHSPACE
 |  
 |   I am seeing a good amount of spam where the subject line starts
 |   with a space and then some character and then the subject.
 |  
 |  
 |   Ah, good idea -- I'll see if we can add that.
 |  
 |  -Scott
 |  
 | 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BODY STARTSWITH

2003-12-02 Thread Matthew Bramble
Bill,

I haven't seen an absolute confirmation that this functionality works 
yet as I haven't yet integrated this filter into my system using the new 
code.  The END functionality though is something that Scott said he 
would include along with MAXWEIGHT, MINWEIGHT, SKIPIFWEIGHT, and some 
logging options for weighting, and he described how it works in his 
response to my question for added functionality in his message on 
11/14.  I'll explain it further if that message doesn't do it for you.

Matt



Bill Landry wrote:

Matt, I was noticing that you are using END in this file.  How is that
feature enabled?  When I add END to any of my files, it seems that
JunkMail just skips the entire files.  Is there something that you need to
add to the global.cfg to enable this filter feature?
Bill
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From: Matthew Bramble [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BODY STARTSWITH

 

Munged twice so far, so I am resending this time without the zip file
attachment in the event that there is some sort of restriction on this.
The referenced file can be downloaded from the following link:
   

http://www.mailpure.com/software/decludefilters/gibberish/Gibberish_v2-0-0.txt
 

Matt

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BODY STARTSWITH
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:39:22 -0500
From: Matthew Bramble [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Scott,

I've attached a new copy of the GIBBERISH filter that makes use of the
END and MAXPOINTS functionality that was discussed previously.  Am I
correct that these can also be used now with Declude JunkMail Pro
v1.76i27?  And if so, did I follow the implemented methodology?
Essentially, I'm using the functionality to simplify into one file and
save on processing.  I tried to order things within the file so that the
most common END statements would be hit first, and I scored the Main
Filter hits at 1000 so that it would be easy for an administrator to
modify the scoring by just adjusting the MAXPOINTS entry.  The MAXPOINTS
entry should keep the filter from adding points incrementally, and it
should end the test after one hit, producing no more score than the
MAXPOINTS entry allows.  Scoring isn't applied to the filter in the
Global.cfg file since it is all handled internal to the filter.
Note to fellow admins:  This file also hasn't been tested because I am
not yet using the proper release.  I'm really just putting it out there
to see if Scott can tell me if I got the idea right.  I must stress that
this is not intended to be used for any versions of Declude JunkMail Pro
prior to v1.76i27 because it could result in assessing 1000 or more
points without proper software support, and it may have other issues.
Please do not put this into a production environment unless you
understand what you are doing and are going to monitor it closely.
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BODY STARTSWITH

2003-12-02 Thread Frederick Samarelli
MINWEIGHT

How does that work?

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From: Bill Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BODY STARTSWITH


 Thanks Matt, I was able to accomplish what I wanted using MINWEIGHT.

 Bill
 - Original Message - 
 From: Matthew Bramble [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BODY STARTSWITH


  Bill,
 
  I haven't seen an absolute confirmation that this functionality works
  yet as I haven't yet integrated this filter into my system using the new
  code.  The END functionality though is something that Scott said he
  would include along with MAXWEIGHT, MINWEIGHT, SKIPIFWEIGHT, and some
  logging options for weighting, and he described how it works in his
  response to my question for added functionality in his message on
  11/14.  I'll explain it further if that message doesn't do it for you.
 
  Matt
 
 
 
  Bill Landry wrote:
 
  Matt, I was noticing that you are using END in this file.  How is
that
  feature enabled?  When I add END to any of my files, it seems that
  JunkMail just skips the entire files.  Is there something that you need
 to
  add to the global.cfg to enable this filter feature?
  
  Bill
  - Original Message - 
  From: Matthew Bramble [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 4:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BODY STARTSWITH
  
  
  
  
  Munged twice so far, so I am resending this time without the zip file
  attachment in the event that there is some sort of restriction on
this.
  The referenced file can be downloaded from the following link:
  
  
  
  
 

http://www.mailpure.com/software/decludefilters/gibberish/Gibberish_v2-0-0.
 txt
  
  
  Matt
  
   Original Message 
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BODY STARTSWITH
  Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:39:22 -0500
  From: Matthew Bramble [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
  Scott,
  
  I've attached a new copy of the GIBBERISH filter that makes use of the
  END and MAXPOINTS functionality that was discussed previously.  Am I
  correct that these can also be used now with Declude JunkMail Pro
  v1.76i27?  And if so, did I follow the implemented methodology?
  
  Essentially, I'm using the functionality to simplify into one file and
  save on processing.  I tried to order things within the file so that
the
  most common END statements would be hit first, and I scored the Main
  Filter hits at 1000 so that it would be easy for an administrator to
  modify the scoring by just adjusting the MAXPOINTS entry.  The
MAXPOINTS
  entry should keep the filter from adding points incrementally, and it
  should end the test after one hit, producing no more score than the
  MAXPOINTS entry allows.  Scoring isn't applied to the filter in the
  Global.cfg file since it is all handled internal to the filter.
  
  Note to fellow admins:  This file also hasn't been tested because I am
  not yet using the proper release.  I'm really just putting it out
there
  to see if Scott can tell me if I got the idea right.  I must stress
that
  this is not intended to be used for any versions of Declude JunkMail
Pro
  prior to v1.76i27 because it could result in assessing 1000 or more
  points without proper software support, and it may have other issues.
  Please do not put this into a production environment unless you
  understand what you are doing and are going to monitor it closely.
  
  Matt
  
  
  
 
 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BODY STARTSWITH

2003-12-02 Thread Matthew Bramble
Fred,

It's probably best to go back and reference the follow up posts to that 
thread.  This isn't going to be anywhere near as common as MAXWEIGHT, 
but it provides the same sort of functionality for negative weighted 
tests (limits total scoring and ends processing of a filter when that 
threshold is reached).

Matt



Frederick Samarelli wrote:

MINWEIGHT

How does that work?

- Original Message - 
From: Bill Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BODY STARTSWITH

 

Thanks Matt, I was able to accomplish what I wanted using MINWEIGHT.

Bill
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From: Matthew Bramble [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BODY STARTSWITH

   

Bill,

I haven't seen an absolute confirmation that this functionality works
yet as I haven't yet integrated this filter into my system using the new
code.  The END functionality though is something that Scott said he
would include along with MAXWEIGHT, MINWEIGHT, SKIPIFWEIGHT, and some
logging options for weighting, and he described how it works in his
response to my question for added functionality in his message on
11/14.  I'll explain it further if that message doesn't do it for you.
Matt



Bill Landry wrote:

 

Matt, I was noticing that you are using END in this file.  How is
   

that
 

feature enabled?  When I add END to any of my files, it seems that
JunkMail just skips the entire files.  Is there something that you need
   

to
   

add to the global.cfg to enable this filter feature?

Bill
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From: Matthew Bramble [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BODY STARTSWITH



   

Munged twice so far, so I am resending this time without the zip file
attachment in the event that there is some sort of restriction on
 

this.
 

The referenced file can be downloaded from the following link:



 

http://www.mailpure.com/software/decludefilters/gibberish/Gibberish_v2-0-0.
txt
   

   

Matt

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BODY STARTSWITH
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:39:22 -0500
From: Matthew Bramble [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Scott,

I've attached a new copy of the GIBBERISH filter that makes use of the
END and MAXPOINTS functionality that was discussed previously.  Am I
correct that these can also be used now with Declude JunkMail Pro
v1.76i27?  And if so, did I follow the implemented methodology?
Essentially, I'm using the functionality to simplify into one file and
save on processing.  I tried to order things within the file so that
 

the
 

most common END statements would be hit first, and I scored the Main
Filter hits at 1000 so that it would be easy for an administrator to
modify the scoring by just adjusting the MAXPOINTS entry.  The
 

MAXPOINTS
 

entry should keep the filter from adding points incrementally, and it
should end the test after one hit, producing no more score than the
MAXPOINTS entry allows.  Scoring isn't applied to the filter in the
Global.cfg file since it is all handled internal to the filter.
Note to fellow admins:  This file also hasn't been tested because I am
not yet using the proper release.  I'm really just putting it out
 

there
 

to see if Scott can tell me if I got the idea right.  I must stress
 

that
 

this is not intended to be used for any versions of Declude JunkMail
 

Pro
 

prior to v1.76i27 because it could result in assessing 1000 or more
points without proper software support, and it may have other issues.
Please do not put this into a production environment unless you
understand what you are doing and are going to monitor it closely.
Matt



 

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BODY STARTSWITH

2003-12-02 Thread Bill Landry
I use it the exact opposite to MAXWEIGHT, which allows me to set a minimum
weight that I do not want a filter weight to go below.  For example:

MINWEIGHT-5

will tell JunkMail not to apply a weight lower then -5 to the message, even
if the actual weight is lower then -5.

HTH,

Bill
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From: Frederick Samarelli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BODY STARTSWITH


 MINWEIGHT

 How does that work?

 - Original Message - 
 From: Bill Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 5:12 PM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BODY STARTSWITH


  Thanks Matt, I was able to accomplish what I wanted using MINWEIGHT.
 
  Bill
  - Original Message - 
  From: Matthew Bramble [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BODY STARTSWITH
 
 
   Bill,
  
   I haven't seen an absolute confirmation that this functionality works
   yet as I haven't yet integrated this filter into my system using the
new
   code.  The END functionality though is something that Scott said he
   would include along with MAXWEIGHT, MINWEIGHT, SKIPIFWEIGHT, and some
   logging options for weighting, and he described how it works in his
   response to my question for added functionality in his message on
   11/14.  I'll explain it further if that message doesn't do it for you.
  
   Matt
  
  
  
   Bill Landry wrote:
  
   Matt, I was noticing that you are using END in this file.  How is
 that
   feature enabled?  When I add END to any of my files, it seems that
   JunkMail just skips the entire files.  Is there something that you
need
  to
   add to the global.cfg to enable this filter feature?
   
   Bill
   - Original Message - 
   From: Matthew Bramble [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 4:12 PM
   Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BODY STARTSWITH
   
   
   
   
   Munged twice so far, so I am resending this time without the zip
file
   attachment in the event that there is some sort of restriction on
 this.
   The referenced file can be downloaded from the following link:
   
   
   
   
  
 

http://www.mailpure.com/software/decludefilters/gibberish/Gibberish_v2-0-0.
  txt
   
   
   Matt
   
    Original Message 
   Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BODY STARTSWITH
   Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:39:22 -0500
   From: Matthew Bramble [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
   
   Scott,
   
   I've attached a new copy of the GIBBERISH filter that makes use of
the
   END and MAXPOINTS functionality that was discussed previously.  Am I
   correct that these can also be used now with Declude JunkMail Pro
   v1.76i27?  And if so, did I follow the implemented methodology?
   
   Essentially, I'm using the functionality to simplify into one file
and
   save on processing.  I tried to order things within the file so that
 the
   most common END statements would be hit first, and I scored the Main
   Filter hits at 1000 so that it would be easy for an administrator to
   modify the scoring by just adjusting the MAXPOINTS entry.  The
 MAXPOINTS
   entry should keep the filter from adding points incrementally, and
it
   should end the test after one hit, producing no more score than the
   MAXPOINTS entry allows.  Scoring isn't applied to the filter in the
   Global.cfg file since it is all handled internal to the filter.
   
   Note to fellow admins:  This file also hasn't been tested because I
am
   not yet using the proper release.  I'm really just putting it out
 there
   to see if Scott can tell me if I got the idea right.  I must stress
 that
   this is not intended to be used for any versions of Declude JunkMail
 Pro
   prior to v1.76i27 because it could result in assessing 1000 or more
   points without proper software support, and it may have other
issues.
   Please do not put this into a production environment unless you
   understand what you are doing and are going to monitor it closely.
   
   Matt
   
   
   
  
  
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamchk fine tuning?

2003-12-02 Thread Gufler Markus

 I just set up spamchk and was wondering if anyone can share 
 some fine-tuning info with me?  Updated keyword lists and 
 such?  I tried subscribing to their list but all I get back 
 is an Invalid Syntax email from their mail server.

hmm... I've tried to un- and the subscribe without any problem.

Try to go on www.spamchk.com and click on the subscribe-link in the center of the 
page. 

Markus 
 
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[Declude.JunkMail] SKIPIFWEIGHT possible bug?

2003-12-02 Thread Matthew Bramble
Scott,

Ok, I have finally gotten around to modifying my filters to use some of 
the new features.  It definitely is having an impact on my processor 
from what I can see.  I think I have uncovered a bug or bugs though in 
terms of how thresholds are calculated and how it affects processing and 
logging.

I have a SPAMTRAPS filter with a SKIPIFWEIGHT set and a line which got 
hit as follows:

   SKIPIFWEIGHT30
   ALLRECIPS15CONTAINS[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I delete messages at a score of 30, however I found the following 
message (headers) in my holding account which scored a 29, but didn't 
get any scoring from hitting my SPAMTRAPS filter with the above address:

   X-MailPure: 
   X-MailPure: SPAMCOP: Listed in bl.spamcop.net
   X-MailPure: FIVETEN-SPAMSUPPORT: Listed in blackholes.five-ten-sg.com
   X-MailPure: MAILPOLICE-BULK: Listed in bulk.rhs.mailpolice.com
   X-MailPure: MAILPOLICE-PORN: Listed in porn.rhs.mailpolice.com
   X-MailPure: NOLEGITCONTENT: No legitimate content detected.
   X-MailPure: RECIPIENTS: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   X-MailPure: 
   X-MailPure: Spam Score: 29
   X-MailPure: Scan Time: 17:38:53 on 12/02/2003
   X-MailPure: Spool File: D147103b1007e35c8.SMD
   X-MailPure: SMTP Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   X-MailPure: Received From: mail117.alukud.com [67.30.133.117]
   X-MailPure: 
   X-MailPure: Spam and virus blocking services provided by MailPure.com
   X-MailPure: 
It seems that the order of adding points is a bit off from what I was 
expecting.  The message should have been processed by the SPAMTRAPS 
filter (I believe it was), and then another 15 points should have been 
added which would have pushed it to 44 points and my deletion level.  I 
searched my logs for this message to verify the results and found that 
there was no entry for this message in my Declude JunkMail log.  Yes, 
really, no entry at all :)  I did verify that my custom WARN action was 
configured for my SPAMTRAPS test and the combination of the positive and 
negative weighted tests indicated in the headers do equal a score of 29.

Feel free to ask for a zip of the supporting files if you need them.

Thanks,

Matt

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] What is this about ??

2003-12-02 Thread David Barrett
Also it seems that declude is claiming that 216.204.154.7 has no MX.
DnsStuff.com reports:

Actually, that's a server of yours, which you've let Declude JunkMail know
about.

How do I tell it not to know about it and my web servers as well? So they
dont fail the MX test.
This stops some mail from our web servers that use email to the customers
email box for order processing.

Thanks !

Dave


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Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] What is this about ??



 I've gotten serveral of these the past few minutes.
 Below are the full headers ..I'm assuming they are trying to relay ???

 It's hard to say what spammers are doing when they aren't sending a real
 spam to someone.  They may be making relay attempts, they may be checking
 to see if you have blocked a certain IP, they may be trying to get people
 to reply...

 Also it seems that declude is claiming that 216.204.154.7 has no MX.
 DnsStuff.com reports:

 Actually, that's a server of yours, which you've let Declude JunkMail know
 about.  The confusion is that the spammer is doing something really
 stupid:  He's claiming that his computer is an Internet host with the same
 name as your IP (that's about as silly as giving out a phone number when
 asked for a credit card -- it just doesn't work).

 Received: from 216.204.154.7 [24.241.184.85] by maineconnect.net
(SMTPD32-8.01) id A524B75700F8; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 18:56:20 -0500

 This is the Received: header that Declude JunkMail is looking at --
Declude
 uses the IP 24.241.184.85 for scanning, and a host name of 216.204.154.7
 (which isn't a valid host name, so the E-mail fails the HELOBOGUS test).

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] What is this about ??

2003-12-02 Thread R. Scott Perry

Also it seems that declude is claiming that 216.204.154.7 has no MX.
DnsStuff.com reports:
Actually, that's a server of yours, which you've let Declude JunkMail know
about.
How do I tell it not to know about it and my web servers as well? So they
dont fail the MX test.
That's not the problem -- that's a *good* thing that Declude JunkMail knows 
that the first IP is yours.  Otherwise, it would scan that IP, see that it 
doesn't belong to a spammer, and the spam would go through.

It's also a good thing that the E-mail failed the HELOBOGUS test (as it was 
spam, and legitimate E-mail of yours would not have failed the HELOBOGUS test).

This stops some mail from our web servers that use email to the customers
email box for order processing.
In this case, you'll need to provide the headers for one of the legitimate 
E-mails that is getting caught.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamchk fine tuning?

2003-12-02 Thread Matt Robertson
Markus wrote:
hmm... I've tried to un- and the subscribe without any problem.

Thats because you're using the link that works :-O.  Go to the installation 
instructions here

http://www.spamchk.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=2

And try the subscribe link on that page.  You'll get a nastygram rather than a 
subscription :-).

Just tried the link you sent and it gave me a different format.  I'm sure thats the 
problem.  Thx!


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamchk fine tuning?

2003-12-02 Thread Matt Robertson
A couple of posters offered some help on this, where I don't have the original 
messages (they're at home and I'm at work).  The FP rate is fairly heavy on spamchk so 
far... including bagging about half of the traffic on this list today.  I'm sure its 
something easily fixed.

I'd love to see a config file AND see what exactly the penalty weight spots are so I 
can halve them (its not clear to me sometimes whether I'm looking at a penalty weight 
or a thresahold on some things).  

I understand nobody has perfect answers.  Just looking for a leg up on the learning 
curve.

Cheers,


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SKIPIFWEIGHT possible bug?

2003-12-02 Thread R. Scott Perry

Ok, I have finally gotten around to modifying my filters to use some of 
the new features.  It definitely is having an impact on my processor from 
what I can see.  I think I have uncovered a bug or bugs though in terms of 
how thresholds are calculated and how it affects processing and logging.
The first thing to do is make sure that you are running the latest interim 
release (1.76i29), and see if the problem continues.

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[Declude.JunkMail] ATTACH action question

2003-12-02 Thread Matt Robertson
I'm using the attach action rather than holding, bouncing etc.  Every month I prepare 
a report for my customers that tells them how much mail got delivered, how much got 
blocked etc.

If an item is given an ATTACH action, does Imail ever see it?  Does Declude attach and 
deliver directly?  

Knowing this will make a big difference in my log analysis, which seems to show a big 
drop in mail that I can only explain if the answers to the above are No and Yes, 
respectively.


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[Declude.JunkMail] My External Plus Program

2003-12-02 Thread Bill Morgan
Hi,

I have a per-user external plus program that I wrote that is very handy
to whitelist or blacklist based on e-mail addresses or subject lines.
The program is very small (54K) and in my case, does not add any
processing time to message delivery.  If you would like to take a look
or give it a try, go to:

http://www.wamusa.com/wamcheck

There, you will find a one-page text file with instructions and the
program.  I am also working on a web-base interface where users can
manage their own rules file.  If anyone would like to demo the on-line
manager, please send me an e-mail directly and I will send the URL and
user information that you can use.

Any comments on the wamcheck program would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ATTACH action question

2003-12-02 Thread Matt Robertson
Thanks for the clarification, Scott.

Cheers,


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SKIPIFWEIGHT possible bug?

2003-12-02 Thread Matthew Bramble
Scott,

I was on 1.76i28 but upgraded as suggested, and I was able to verify 
that the filter is now hit when the score is within the difference in 
points from the SKIPIFWEIGHT and it is logged.  I'm not totally sure if 
this perfectly represents the original issue, though I tried to mimic 
the functionality as best I could (I couldn't add 29 points from DNS 
based tests before the filters, I had to do it with filters alone).  I'm 
guessing though that this was a known problem and fixed in that 
release.  Thanks.

Matt



R. Scott Perry wrote:


Ok, I have finally gotten around to modifying my filters to use some 
of the new features.  It definitely is having an impact on my 
processor from what I can see.  I think I have uncovered a bug or 
bugs though in terms of how thresholds are calculated and how it 
affects processing and logging.


The first thing to do is make sure that you are running the latest 
interim release (1.76i29), and see if the problem continues.

   -Scott


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[Declude.JunkMail] Problems with Errors in Logs

2003-12-02 Thread Daniel Ivey
Greetings,

I have been having a little problem since about 2:00 pm yesterday
afternoon.  I noticed that the spool directory was a little large.  I then
cleaned out the spool.  However it started building back up immediately and
I noticed that now, I am constantly getting errors in both my declude
junkmail and declude antivirus logs.  As soon as I delete the logs, they
appear again with more errors.  Has anyone had this problem before of have
some advice as to what the problem may be?  I have changed my declude
junkmail files to match the default on the website and still no luck.  Need
some help ASAP!

Thanks,
Daniel

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] [Declude.Virus] Problems with Errors in Logs

2003-12-02 Thread R. Scott Perry

I am constantly getting errors in both my declude
junkmail and declude antivirus logs.
What errors?

As soon as I delete the logs, they appear again with more errors.
Unfortunately, deleting the log files won't fix a problem.

Is your hard drive full?  Are you processing a much higher volume of E-mail 
than usual?

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[Declude.JunkMail] Spammers unleash e-mail worm

2003-12-02 Thread Bill Landry
Here we go again:

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=internetNewsstoryID=3924996section=news

Bill

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[Declude.JunkMail] Server Gone Wild

2003-12-02 Thread Richard Farris
A friend of mine at Safe-t.net in Mt. Vernon Ohio just called me and said
his spool in Imail is loading up and holding all messages..He thinks the
Declude has stopped working...Imail tech support not available..

He has rebooted the server several times with no luck..

Declude log is not showing anything...

If anyone on this list has an idea what is going on could you please give
Brian Thompson a call at 1.888.895.8648

He can't use email as it just goes to the spool and sits

Richard Farris
Ethixs Online
1.270.247. Office
1.800.548.3877 Tech Support

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Server Gone Wild

2003-12-02 Thread Glenn Brooks
possible dns not resolvingtry changing DNS in Imail and restart 
smtpworks for mine sometimes...

gb

At 12:06 AM 12/3/2003 -0600, you wrote:
A friend of mine at Safe-t.net in Mt. Vernon Ohio just called me and said
his spool in Imail is loading up and holding all messages..He thinks the
Declude has stopped working...Imail tech support not available..
He has rebooted the server several times with no luck..

Declude log is not showing anything...

If anyone on this list has an idea what is going on could you please give
Brian Thompson a call at 1.888.895.8648
He can't use email as it just goes to the spool and sits

Richard Farris
Ethixs Online
1.270.247. Office
1.800.548.3877 Tech Support
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Server Gone Wild

2003-12-02 Thread Glen Harvy
Give him a ring and tell him to uninstall declude. Only takes a second or
two.

I'd ring him but it would be a very very expensive call :-)

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Aquarius Communications
for all your Internet Needs.
Phone 9977 3788 Fax 9977 3844

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 A friend of mine at Safe-t.net in Mt. Vernon Ohio just called me and said
 his spool in Imail is loading up and holding all messages..He thinks the
 Declude has stopped working...Imail tech support not available..

 He has rebooted the server several times with no luck..

 Declude log is not showing anything...

 If anyone on this list has an idea what is going on could you please give
 Brian Thompson a call at 1.888.895.8648

 He can't use email as it just goes to the spool and sits

 Richard Farris
 Ethixs Online
 1.270.247. Office
 1.800.548.3877 Tech Support

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Server Gone Wild

2003-12-02 Thread Dave Doherty
He's OK.


- Original Message - 
From: Richard Farris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Server Gone Wild


 A friend of mine at Safe-t.net in Mt. Vernon Ohio just called me and said
 his spool in Imail is loading up and holding all messages..He thinks the
 Declude has stopped working...Imail tech support not available..

 He has rebooted the server several times with no luck..

 Declude log is not showing anything...

 If anyone on this list has an idea what is going on could you please give
 Brian Thompson a call at 1.888.895.8648

 He can't use email as it just goes to the spool and sits

 Richard Farris
 Ethixs Online
 1.270.247. Office
 1.800.548.3877 Tech Support

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Server Gone Wild

2003-12-02 Thread Brian T
This is Brian Thompson with an update:

Mail server appears to be back up and running.  Thanks for all the help.

Still don't know what the problem was, but my declude log shows no entries
from 4:23 pm until 11:58 pm.






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Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Server Gone Wild


 Give him a ring and tell him to uninstall declude. Only takes a second or
 two.

 I'd ring him but it would be a very very expensive call :-)

 _
 Glen Harvy
 Aquarius Communications
 for all your Internet Needs.
 Phone 9977 3788 Fax 9977 3844

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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Richard Farris
  Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2003 17:06
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Server Gone Wild
 
 
  A friend of mine at Safe-t.net in Mt. Vernon Ohio just called me and
said
  his spool in Imail is loading up and holding all messages..He thinks the
  Declude has stopped working...Imail tech support not available..
 
  He has rebooted the server several times with no luck..
 
  Declude log is not showing anything...
 
  If anyone on this list has an idea what is going on could you please
give
  Brian Thompson a call at 1.888.895.8648
 
  He can't use email as it just goes to the spool and sits
 
  Richard Farris
  Ethixs Online
  1.270.247. Office
  1.800.548.3877 Tech Support
 
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