RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Cutting down on DNS

2009-07-10 Thread Michael Cummins
And my other recommendation stands -- look into which BLs will let you replicate their zone/s locally. Thank you for your advice. Among other things, I've been reviewing the spam tests I've enabled. I thought I might share my observations with the list here, as a sounding board. Perhaps I

Re[4]: [Declude.JunkMail] Cutting down on DNS

2009-07-10 Thread Sanford Whiteman
How does one go about replicating a zone locally to begin with? Can you replicate multiple zones locally? Sure. Should you do this on the machine that is hosting SmarterMail/Declude, or on another? Sniffer is my best test. INVURIBL used to be fantastic, but it doesn't fare quite as well

Re[4]: [Declude.JunkMail] Cutting down on DNS

2009-07-10 Thread Sanford Whiteman
*unsticks Ctrl key* How does one go about replicating a zone locally to begin with? 2 ways, depending on the BL. They could let you use standard DNS zone transfer, or they could make you do an out-of-band HTTP/FTP download of the zone. --Sandy Sanford

RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Cutting down on DNS

2009-07-10 Thread David Barker
IADB holds the IP's of good senders and helps reduce false positives so the hit rate may be low but it is worth having. MAILPOLICE can be consolidated into a single lookup. David Barker VP Operations Declude Your Email security is our business 978.499.2933 office 978.988.1311 fax

RE: Re[4]: [Declude.JunkMail] Cutting down on DNS

2009-07-10 Thread Michael Cummins
How does this work then, if you don't mind me asking stupid questions...? ...Declude just does a DNS lookup on the defined server and checks to see if it returns an authoritative or non-authoritative response for the host name of the e-mail address, and then pass/fails on that? I Googled a few

RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Cutting down on DNS

2009-07-10 Thread Scott Fisher
Cbl is a subset of zen.spamhaus.org so you could be double scoring that. UCEPROTECT-2 and UCEPROTECT-1 overlap considerable. You are probably double scoring there. DNSBL and IADB are whitelists. They would have lower scores. SORBS is shutting down. Might want to remove that

Re[6]: [Declude.JunkMail] Cutting down on DNS

2009-07-10 Thread Sanford Whiteman
...Declude just does a DNS lookup on the defined server and checks to see if it returns an authoritative or non-authoritative response for the host name of the e-mail address, and then pass/fails on that? Yes, same way DSBLs usually work, only when you replicate the zone, your DNS server is

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Cutting down on DNS

2009-07-10 Thread Darrell (supp...@invariantsystems.com)
INVURIBL used to be fantastic, but it doesn't fare quite as well these days. Does anyone recommend anything else? invURIBL is extremely effective for me even more so now that (personally) I am using the invaluement lists which haven been absolutely terrific. The one problem with the URI

RE: Re[6]: [Declude.JunkMail] Cutting down on DNS

2009-07-10 Thread Michael Cummins
Note that the resulting downoaded file is in RBLDNS format. So you would convert it to a standard zone file. What DNS server do you use? I'm using The MS DNS that comes on 2003 Server. I have it installed on both of the SmarterMail/Declude/Sniffer/INVURIBL boxes. Is that a bad, or a good

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Cutting down on DNS

2009-07-10 Thread Michael Cummins
invURIBL is extremely effective for me even more so now that (personally) I am using the invaluement lists which haven been absolutely terrific. Wow. That blindsided me. I was completely ignorant of how the product worked. I thought that Invariant Systems maintained their own list, and

Re: Re[6]: [Declude.JunkMail] Cutting down on DNS

2009-07-10 Thread Darin Cox
Hi Michael, I'm using Windows 2003 DNS server as well, and have had no trouble with it at all. There are some advantages to Simple DNS when it comes to integration and replication of an entire server, but I've made up those deficiencies with scripting around the DNSCMD utility in the Windows

Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Cutting down on DNS

2009-07-10 Thread Sanford Whiteman
Just glancing around their website, I see that they recommend RSYNC to RBLDNSD formatted files. The Invaluement people here recommend Simple DNS Plus as a replacement for Windows DNS. Would most people here make the same recommendation? I really have nothing against Windows DNS, no

RE: Re[6]: [Declude.JunkMail] Cutting down on DNS

2009-07-10 Thread Michael Cummins
There are some advantages to Simple DNS when it comes to integration and replication of an entire server, but I've made up those deficiencies with scripting around the DNSCMD utility in the Windows Server Resource Kit.. Thanks, Darin! I've written scripts using DNSCMD before; I guess I

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Cutting down on DNS

2009-07-10 Thread Darrell (supp...@invariantsystems.com)
Michael Cummins wrote: invURIBL is extremely effective for me even more so now that (personally) I am using the invaluement lists which haven been absolutely terrific. Wow. That blindsided me. I was completely ignorant of how the product worked. I thought that Invariant Systems

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Cutting down on DNS

2009-07-10 Thread Michael Cummins
The product is basically the conduit from the URI in the email to the list. In fact if you wanted to you could host your own URI list internally and add domains as you see fit. We have many customers that do this. I understand now. What does a record for URI look like in DNS? How do