re: [Declude.JunkMail] How do you use NOLEGITCONTENT and IPNOTINMX

2011-04-08 Thread Nick Hayer
the defs are in the junkmail manual
https://www.declude.com/searchresults.asp?Cat=109

IPNOTINMX - The IPNOTINMX test is good for helping reduce false
positives. By default, Declude JunkMail will subtract several points
from the weighting system when an email does not fail this test (which
is very different from the way a spam test normally works). WARNING: The
IPNOTINMX should NOT be used to detect spam! It will be triggered when
an email is sent from an IP address that is not in its MX record.
Although this test will catch a lot of spam (perhaps 80%), it will also
catch a lot of legitimate mail (as quite a few larger mailers will send
their mail through a different mail server than they use to receive
mail).

NOLEGITCONTENT - Like the IPNOTINMX test, the
NOLEGITCONTENT test is good for helping reduce false positives. By
default, Declude JunkMail will subtract several points from the
weighting system when an email does not fail this test (which is very
different from the way a spam test normally works). WARNING:
The NOLEGITCONTENT test should NOT be used to detect spam! It will be
triggered Declude JunkMail does not detect any legitimate content in an
email. NOTE: Some legitimate email will fail this test, but almost all spam
will fail it.

The best 'test' is a 'combo' test where it takes several unrelated tests to
fail before you wack the email w/a penalty.

-Nick

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From: IMail Admin imailad...@bcwebhost.net
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 1:38 PM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] How do you use NOLEGITCONTENT and IPNOTINMX





In
all this work on inv-uribl, I realized that my system scores 0 for
NOLEGITCONTENT and IPNOTINMX.  I
would just be following the default, so that leads to the question: what is
the
purpose of these tests and do other people assign them
scores?




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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] How do you use NOLEGITCONTENT and IPNOTINMX

2011-04-08 Thread IMail Admin
Thanks.  Now that you’ve posted this I have to apologize because I recall 
reading this years ago.

The problem I’m struggling with is that I get a lot of spam that fail many 
tests and ends up being deleted, but I also get a lot of true spam that fails 
only one test, usually Sniffer, and I’d like to find test(s) that would 
incrementally confirm the spam and push it to the next threshold.  For example, 
I weight Sniffer at 8, so I get a lot of spam that score 8.  They’re true spam, 
but the other tests don’t confirm it and my delete threshold is 12 (although I 
would be happy to get just to 10 on these spams).

Any suggestions welcome.

Thanks,

Ben



From: Nick Hayer
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 12:23 PM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: re: [Declude.JunkMail] How do you use NOLEGITCONTENT and IPNOTINMX

the defs are in the junkmail manual  
https://www.declude.com/searchresults.asp?Cat=109

IPNOTINMX - The IPNOTINMX test is good for helping reduce false positives. By 
default, Declude JunkMail will subtract several points from the weighting 
system when an email does not fail this test (which is very different from the 
way a spam test normally works). WARNING: The IPNOTINMX should NOT be used to 
detect spam! It will be triggered when an email is sent from an IP address that 
is not in its MX record. Although this test will catch a lot of spam (perhaps 
80%), it will also catch a lot of legitimate mail (as quite a few larger 
mailers will send their mail through a different mail server than they use to 
receive mail).

NOLEGITCONTENT - Like the IPNOTINMX test, the NOLEGITCONTENT test is good for 
helping reduce false positives. By default, Declude JunkMail will subtract 
several points from the weighting system when an email does not fail this test 
(which is very different from the way a spam test normally works). WARNING: The 
NOLEGITCONTENT test should NOT be used to detect spam! It will be triggered 
Declude JunkMail does not detect any legitimate content in an email. NOTE: Some 
legitimate email will fail this test, but almost all spam will fail it.


The best 'test' is a 'combo' test where it takes several unrelated tests to 
fail before you wack the email w/a penalty.

-Nick

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Emergency Support 24/7: supp...@skywaves.net
General and Non-Emergency support ticket:
https://www.skywaves.com/content/secure/support_ticket.htm





From: IMail Admin imailad...@bcwebhost.net
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 1:38 PM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] How do you use NOLEGITCONTENT and IPNOTINMX


In all this work on inv-uribl, I realized that my system scores 0 for 
NOLEGITCONTENT and IPNOTINMX.  I would just be following the default, so that 
leads to the question: what is the purpose of these tests and do other people 
assign them scores?

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] How do you use NOLEGITCONTENT and IPNOTINMX

2011-04-08 Thread Nick Hayer
I would suggest combo-ing sniffer with other tests - and make the penalty very 
small at first until you gain confidence in the results.

-Nick
Here is a old sample combo-sniffer.txt file  - use it as a guide - not in 
production..

SKIPIFWEIGHT26
TESTSFAILEDENDNOTCONTAINSEXTERNAL.SNIFFER
TESTSFAILED2CONTAINSF5SPAMMONKEY
TESTSFAILED2CONTAINS10SPAMMONKEY
HEADERS5CONTAINSX-Alligate-AddrSpace: Failed
TESTSFAILED2CONTAINSFILTER.ALLIGATE
TESTSFAILED4CONTAINSFILTER.STATICSPAMMER_MAILFROM
COUNTRIES6CONTAINSCN
COUNTRIES6CONTAINSKR
COUNTRIES6CONTAINSCH
TESTSFAILED6CONTAINSFILTER.BADCOUNTRYNORVDNS
TESTSFAILED2CONTAINSFILTER.COMBO.SUSPECIOUS
TESTSFAILED5CONTAINSFILTER.DYNA
TESTSFAILED8CONTAINSFILTER.INVESTMENT
TESTSFAILED5CONTAINSFILTER.LOTTERY
TESTSFAILED3CONTAINSFILTER.MORTGAGE
TESTSFAILED5CONTAINSFILTER.HEALTH_INS
TESTSFAILED5CONTAINSFILTER.NIGERIAN.SCAM
TESTSFAILED2CONTAINSFILTER.REV_DNS
TESTSFAILED3CONTAINSIP4R.SBL
TESTSFAILED2CONTAINSIP4R.SPAMCOP
TESTSFAILED2CONTAINSIP4R.XBL
TESTSFAILED3CONTAINSIPFILE.HOSTS
TESTSFAILED9CONTAINSIPFILE.KILL
TESTSFAILED3CONTAINSIPFILE.NETWORKS
TESTSFAILED6CONTAINSIPFILE.SUSPICIOUS.HOST
TESTSFAILED2CONTAINSIPFILE.SUSPICIOUS.NETWRK
TESTSFAILED3CONTAINSXBL(
TESTSFAILED3CONTAINSTEST.DYNHELO
TESTSFAILED3CONTAINSTEST.ROUTING
TESTSFAILED1CONTAINSTEST.SPAMHEADERS
TESTSFAILED3CONTAINSTEST.BADHEADERS
TESTSFAILED3CONTAINSTEST.REVDNS
TESTSFAILED3CONTAINSIP4R.ZENSPAMHAUS



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From: IMail Admin imailad...@bcwebhost.net
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 3:51 PM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] How do you use NOLEGITCONTENT and IPNOTINMX



Thanks.  Now that you've posted this I have to apologize because I
recall reading this years ago.

The problem I'm struggling with is that I get a lot of spam that fail many
tests and ends up being deleted, but I also get a lot of true spam that fails
only one test, usually Sniffer, and I'd like to find test(s) that would
incrementally confirm the spam and push it to the next threshold.  For
example, I weight Sniffer at 8, so I get a lot of spam that score 8.
They're true spam, but the other tests don't confirm it and my delete threshold
is 12 (although I would be happy to get just to 10 on these spams).

Any suggestions welcome.

Thanks,

Ben






From: Nick Hayer
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 12:23 PM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com

Subject: re: [Declude.JunkMail] How do you use NOLEGITCONTENT and
IPNOTINMX




the defs are
in the junkmail manual
https://www.declude.com/searchresults.asp?Cat=109

IPNOTINMX
- The IPNOTINMX test is good for helping reduce false positives. By default,
Declude JunkMail will subtract several points from the weighting system when an
email does not fail this test (which is very different from the way a spam test
normally works). WARNING: The IPNOTINMX should NOT
be used to detect spam! It will be triggered when an email is sent from an IP
address that is not in its MX record. Although this test will catch a lot of
spam (perhaps 80%), it will also catch a lot of legitimate mail (as quite a few
larger mailers will send their mail through a different mail server than they
use to receive mail).

NOLEGITCONTENT - Like the
IPNOTINMX test, the NOLEGITCONTENT test is good for helping reduce false
positives. By default, Declude JunkMail will subtract several points from the
weighting system when an email does not fail this test (which is very different
from the way a spam test normally works). WARNING:
The NOLEGITCONTENT test should NOT be used to detect spam! It will be triggered
Declude JunkMail does not detect any legitimate content in an email. NOTE: Some 
legitimate email will fail this test, but
almost all spam will fail it.

The best 'test' is a 'combo'
test where it takes several unrelated tests to fail before you wack the email
w/a penalty.

-Nick

MadRiverAccess.com|Skywaves.com Tech
Support

US/Canada 877-873-6482
or International +1-802-229-6574
Emergency Support 24/7:
supp...@skywaves.net
General and Non-Emergency support
ticket:
https://www.skywaves.com/content/secure/support_ticket.htm






From: IMail Admin
imailad...@bcwebhost.net
Sent: Friday, April 08,
2011 1:38 PM
To:
Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] How
do you use NOLEGITCONTENT and IPNOTINMX

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] How do you use NOLEGITCONTENT and IPNOTINMX

2011-04-08 Thread Pete McNeil
On 4/8/2011 3:49 PM, IMail Admin wrote:
 They’re true spam, but the other tests don’t confirm it and my delete
 threshold is 12 (although I would be happy to get just to 10 on these
 spams).

If you're not already using truncate.gbudb.net DNSBL then that might
also allow you to add some weight.

http://www.gbudb.com/truncate/index.jsp

_M

--
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MicroNeil Research Corporation
www.microneil.com
703.779.4909
x7010



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] How do you use NOLEGITCONTENT and IPNOTINMX

2011-04-08 Thread Nick Hayer
try jackie99

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From: Pete McNeil madscient...@microneil.com
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 5:26 PM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] How do you use NOLEGITCONTENT and IPNOTINMX

On 4/8/2011 3:49 PM, IMail Admin wrote:
 Theyâ?Tre true spam, but the other tests donâ?Tt confirm it and my delete
 threshold is 12 (although I would be happy to get just to 10 on these
 spams).

If you're not already using truncate.gbudb.net DNSBL then that might
also allow you to add some weight.

http://www.gbudb.com/truncate/index.jsp

_M

--
Pete McNeil, President
MicroNeil Research Corporation
www.microneil.com
703.779.4909
x7010

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