Re: Driver autoloading and engine booting

2006-06-20 Thread Olav Sandstaa
Kathey Marsden wrote: I'll analyze some usage scenarios that I am aware of and see what the impact might be. The most important thing is that this be a deliberate choice and that we not rush new functionality and introduce a regression where there is a reasonable technical alternative,

Re: Driver autoloading and engine booting

2006-06-20 Thread Kathey Marsden
Olav Sandstaa wrote: Kathey Marsden wrote: 3) If derby booted at the first connection or the first instantiation of the driver (whichever came first) , would that solve the derby.drda.startNetworkServer problem. This depends on what you mean by the first instantiation of the driver.

Re: Driver autoloading and engine booting

2006-06-20 Thread Daniel John Debrunner
Rick Hillegas wrote: 1) Remove the JDBC4-driver-autoloading. This removes a useful ease-of-development feature and makes us fail to be JDBC4-compliant. 2) Don't boot the engine when registering the embedded driver. Instead, boot the engine the first time that someone requests an embedded

Re: Driver autoloading and engine booting

2006-06-20 Thread Kathey Marsden
Rick Hillegas and Kathey Marsden wrote: [lots of stuff about implementation details that probably should wait a bit] I think Dan's summary and focus on goals was good: Dan said ... I think the goal should be to support auto-loading and to ensure applications that perform some setup and then

Re: Driver autoloading and engine booting

2006-06-20 Thread Rick Hillegas
Kathey Marsden wrote: Rick Hillegas and Kathey Marsden wrote: [lots of stuff about implementation details that probably should wait a bit] I think Dan's summary and focus on goals was good: Dan said ... I think the goal should be to support auto-loading and to ensure applications that

Re: Driver autoloading and engine booting

2006-06-19 Thread Rick Hillegas
Kathey Marsden wrote: David Van Couvering wrote: - Log a bug - Work on fixing it by booting on first connection rather than when the driver is loaded. It would be good to get input from the user community as well. One possible approach would be to log the bug, mark it as a regression,

Re: Driver autoloading and engine booting

2006-06-19 Thread Rick Hillegas
Jean T. Anderson wrote: Rick Hillegas wrote: Kathey Marsden wrote: David Van Couvering wrote: - Log a bug - Work on fixing it by booting on first connection rather than when the driver is loaded. It would be good to get input from the user community as well. One

Re: Driver autoloading and engine booting

2006-06-19 Thread Rick Hillegas
Kathey Marsden wrote: Rick Hillegas wrote: I'm afraid I don't understand why we would want to revert our tests to the old behavior. It seems to me that our tests are practicing stunts which we strongly discourage: changing Derby properties on the fly. In general, there will always be

Re: Driver autoloading and engine booting

2006-06-19 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Rick Hillegas wrote: Jean T. Anderson wrote: Rick Hillegas wrote: ... Does the precedence for properties documentation need to be updated to mention jdbc 4/jdk 1.6 behavior? http://db.apache.org/derby/docs/dev/tuning/ctunsetprop23308.html I don't see that the precedence of properties has

Re: Driver autoloading and engine booting

2006-06-19 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Jean T. Anderson wrote: Rick Hillegas wrote: Jean T. Anderson wrote: Rick Hillegas wrote: ... Does the precedence for properties documentation need to be updated to mention jdbc 4/jdk 1.6 behavior? http://db.apache.org/derby/docs/dev/tuning/ctunsetprop23308.html I don't see that the

Re: Driver autoloading and engine booting

2006-06-19 Thread Suresh Thalamati
Rick Hillegas wrote: This topic was raised in an earlier email thread (http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.db.derby.devel/20899) but it does not appear that we agreed on a solution. I would like to re-open this topic and hopefully we can converge on how we want to handle this issue.

Re: Driver autoloading and engine booting

2006-06-17 Thread Kathey Marsden
David Van Couvering wrote: - Log a bug - Work on fixing it by booting on first connection rather than when the driver is loaded. It would be good to get input from the user community as well. One possible approach would be to log the bug, mark it as a regression, existing application

Driver autoloading and engine booting

2006-06-16 Thread Rick Hillegas
This topic was raised in an earlier email thread (http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.db.derby.devel/20899) but it does not appear that we agreed on a solution. I would like to re-open this topic and hopefully we can converge on how we want to handle this issue. Olav has analyzed a

Re: Driver autoloading and engine booting

2006-06-16 Thread David Van Couvering
My vote: - Document it for 10.2 - Log a bug - Work on fixing it by booting on first connection rather than when the driver is loaded. -1 on removing the autoloading feature, unless people have evidence that this is going to cause real problems for our users. David Rick Hillegas wrote: