Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal to improve layer handling and object selection

2016-07-11 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Regina Henschel wrote: > Heiko Tietze schrieb: > > What you discuss about the z-order is exactly how Inkscape work: the > > first layer in the list is the topmost. And it should be the same for > > Draw. Access to any object, layer, group or object is done similarly > > via the > navigator in

Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal to improve layer handling and object selection

2016-07-11 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Heiko Tietze wrote: > The idea to hide objects from layer a and b but keep others makes > not much sense. > Sure it does - see e.g. the print layer. > And a group over layer boundaries sounds also like a nightmare when > you open the drawing after some time. > I guess any sort of advanced feature

Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal to improve layer handling and object selection

2016-07-09 Thread Heiko Tietze
On Freitag, 8. Juli 2016 16:34:26 CEST Thorsten Behrens wrote: >> Regina Henschel wrote: >> In ODF the z-order is _completely different_ from the layer. > > Right. So the feature is mainly useful for quickly showing and hiding > subsets of the Drawing - and it's orthogonal to everything else, >

Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal to improve layer handling and object selection

2016-07-07 Thread Regina Henschel
Hi Heiko, Heiko Tietze schrieb: On Donnerstag, 7. Juli 2016 17:03:33 CEST Regina Henschel wrote: Hi all, I thing, there is some lack of understanding about the features. Therefore I have attached an example document. (I don't know whether the list allows attachments, but at least Heiko

Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal to improve layer handling and object selection

2016-07-07 Thread Heiko Tietze
On Donnerstag, 7. Juli 2016 17:03:33 CEST Regina Henschel wrote: > Hi all, > > I thing, there is some lack of understanding about the features. > Therefore I have attached an example document. (I don't know whether the > list allows attachments, but at least Heiko should get it.) > ... I added

Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal to improve layer handling and object selection

2016-07-07 Thread Regina Henschel
Hi all, I thing, there is some lack of understanding about the features. Therefore I have attached an example document. (I don't know whether the list allows attachments, but at least Heiko should get it.) The Navigator shows the navigation order. That is the order for traversing the shapes

[libreoffice-design] Proposal to improve layer handling and object selection

2016-07-07 Thread Heiko Tietze
Hi all, I'd like to discuss a proposal with you that deals with Draw on the one hand, in particular the handling of layers and questions regarding object selection. On the other hand, the proposal would also affect other modules since it pushes the Navigator. As usual the discussion is done