Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-22 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 08:33:43PM -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: What about you want to use a new technology but you don't want any new features but rather using this new external dependency will simpifiy things and making maintainance easier? I suppose that itself is the feature? Easier

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-22 Thread Seif Lotfy
Hi Olav, Thanks a lot for clearing it up. This makes a lot of sense. As I see it there is two ways to approach this: 1) Implement first then propose as an external dependency:The risk is that implementation is done and GNOME decides the dependency is unacceptable, thus rendering a couple of

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-22 Thread Florian Müllner
On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Luis Medinas lmedi...@gnome.org wrote: do you really want to start talking about what the community think about this ? Because if you want to start talking i recommend to see how many threads we have, specially on gnome-shell ml, about design decisions that

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-22 Thread Emily Gonyer
Then the design team ought to be more open about what exactly 'their' vision for gnome is, as well as open to other ideas/concepts. Insisting on doing things their way, while being extremely vague as to what exactly their way *is* is not helpful to the rest of the community who is trying to get

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-22 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 22 April 2012 06:14, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote: Risk for the feature focus is that the external dependencies rules are forgotten. E.g. I noticed that gnome-boxes increased its libosinfo version requirement in 3.4.1. That's not so nice when distribution is in a version freeze.

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-22 Thread Seif Lotfy
I agree with Florian here. It took me a bit of time to interact with the design team but it is possible. It is a very young team and extremely busy and overloaded. They are welcoming for anyone to work with them on design and once you get their attention they will help you integrate more. The best

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-22 Thread Seif Lotfy
While this thread reflects a bit about some community observations on how things are handled in GNOME, and i support such a discussion, I find it a bit off-topic. Can we start a new thread discussing these issues or so. Let us stay on topic. Can an applications use Zeitgeist for

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-22 Thread Florian Max
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Emily Gonyer emilyyr...@gmail.com wrote: Then the design team ought to be more open about what exactly 'their' vision for gnome is, as well as open to other ideas/concepts. Insisting on doing things their way, while being extremely vague as to what exactly

Openness (Was: Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist)

2012-04-22 Thread Shaun McCance
On Sun, 2012-04-22 at 18:21 +0200, Florian Max wrote: Which brings us to the matter of openness: the results of everything the design team does ends up on the GNOME wiki under live.gnome.org/Design. I think people are more concerned about being able to have input on the process, not on seeing

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-22 Thread Florian Max
In the end your history is scattered all over the place :P The logs are there and there is not common way to manage them. Having a central log like Zeitgeist will allow you to develop policies and blacklist for logging. Having history at a central location and having a central tool to

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-22 Thread Seif Lotfy
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Florian Max florian.muell...@gmail.com wrote: In the end your history is scattered all over the place :P The logs are there and there is not common way to manage them. Having a central log like Zeitgeist will allow you to develop policies and blacklist for

Re: Openness (Was: Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist)

2012-04-22 Thread Rūdolfs Mazurs
Sv, 2012-04-22 12:36 -0400, Shaun McCance rakstīja: On Sun, 2012-04-22 at 18:21 +0200, Florian Max wrote: Which brings us to the matter of openness: the results of everything the design team does ends up on the GNOME wiki under live.gnome.org/Design. I think people are more concerned

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-22 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Florian Max florian.muell...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Emily Gonyer emilyyr...@gmail.comwrote: Then the design team ought to be more open about what exactly 'their' vision for gnome is, as well as open to other ideas/concepts. Insisting

Re: Openness (Was: Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist)

2012-04-22 Thread Seif Lotfy
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: On Sun, 2012-04-22 at 18:21 +0200, Florian Max wrote: Which brings us to the matter of openness: the results of everything the design team does ends up on the GNOME wiki under live.gnome.org/Design. I think people are

Re: Openness (Was: Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist)

2012-04-22 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Seif Lotfy s...@lotfy.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: On Sun, 2012-04-22 at 18:21 +0200, Florian Max wrote: Which brings us to the matter of openness: the results of everything the design team does ends up

Re: Openness (Was: Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist)

2012-04-22 Thread Seif Lotfy
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Seif Lotfy s...@lotfy.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: On Sun, 2012-04-22 at 18:21 +0200, Florian Max wrote: Which brings us to