AW: VOTE Retire IvyDE - RESULT

2016-12-12 Thread jhm 
The vote about archiving IvyDE starts on 05.December 2016 [1].
The result is:
* binding votes
   +1: (Jan), (Nicolas), Jean-Louis, Dominique,  
0: Stefan
   -1: --
   asks for cancelling: Nicolas [3], Jan [4]
* non binding votes
   +1: --
0: --
   -1: Gintas [2]

I interpret the asks for cancelling as changing from a +1 to a -1, so we 
haven't more +1 than -1.
Therefore the vote failed and IvyDE will be alive as it is.

I am happy that the discussion about archiving brings such an amount of new 
energy. ;-)


Jan

[1] 
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ant-dev/201612.mbox/ajax/%3C001301d24ec5%24e0040790%24a00c16b0%24%40de%3E
[2] 
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ant-dev/201612.mbox/ajax/%3CCALVNWHVZs6wSSKqG1wCN8sZsBPApg%3Dg1Q%2B0%3DZqg9h81pOOtpOg%40mail.gmail.com%3E
[3] 
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ant-dev/201612.mbox/ajax/%3C2E959BA8-CCBE-4C24-B0A9-831655AD8E9D%40hibnet.org%3E
[4] 
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ant-dev/201612.mbox/ajax/%3C002701d2518d%24e827b280%24b8771780%24%40de%3E



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Re: IvyDE status (Was: VOTE Retire IvyDE)

2016-12-11 Thread Gintautas Grigelionis 
A short report on status (and more detailed answers to Nicholas questions):

   - the doc builds correctly once I clone ant-xooki repository on Github
   into doc/xooki;
   - the style clone on Github is empty; I did "wget -np -nd -r
   https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ant/site/ivyde/sources/style/
   "
   following developer doc, but I cannot find xmlverbatim.css and
   background.png in there (both files are referred to by style.css and
   print-style.css);
   - the Subversion-specific part of packaging is "svn export" which has an
   equivalent in Git: "git archive"; fairly straightforward to replace once
   the details of the distribution process with Git are clear;
   - setting up Eclipse PDE is more tricky nowadays because some components
   (notably WTP and GEF) are only released as update sites, which complicates
   a fully automated setup.

I have a question, too: perhaps the entire ivyde site repo could be
converted to Git?

Gintas

AW: VOTE Retire IvyDE

2016-12-08 Thread jhm 
> Very well, how does one revive a project?
> 
> Gintas

If you ask for the process of reactivating it after archiving, that's 
documented at http://ant.apache.org/processes.html.
But ATM it is still alive - but sleeping. ;-)

Jan 


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Re: IvyDE status (Was: VOTE Retire IvyDE)

2016-12-08 Thread Gintautas Grigelionis 
AFAICS, Subversion is invoked in one of the targets connected to packaging
of a release, and I'm looking into an equivalent for Git.
What is more interesting is getting all Eclipse components. Current process
depends on finding a "good" mirror, and I'm tempted to investigate a
possibility to use updatesite resolver instead...

The point about using Java 8 is, you need at least Eclipse Mars (or the
other way around), period. And then there's all the GEF 4+ migration...

Gintas

2016-12-08 10:45 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Lalevée :

> I am forking the thread to not pollute the vote.
>
> > Le 7 déc. 2016 à 19:56, Gintautas Grigelionis 
> a écrit :
> >
> > I decided to take a quick look at the build process and it's not broken
> per
> > se, rather it's hardcoded to Eclipse SDK 3.7.1 foe Win32.
>
> You confirm the doc is being correctly build ? If that effectively the
> case, it is good to know, thank you for looking into it.
> But one thing is broken for sure: the Ant targets to build IvyDE for the
> release, because they still assert that the sources are being hosted in
> subversion.
>
> > I would like to
> > make the process to adapt to the build platform. Any suggestions for a
> > reasonable Eclipse baseline? Should we target Java 8, that would be 4.5
> (or
> > maybe even 4.5.2).
>
> Here is what is currently supported:
> http://ant.apache.org/ivy/ivyde/history/trunk/compatibility.html <
> http://ant.apache.org/ivy/ivyde/history/trunk/compatibility.html>
> It certainly can be reviewed.
>
> As a general rule I would make IvyDE support the same version of the JVM
> as Ivy and Eclipse does. A thing to note is that some IvyDE users are
> installing it in their IBM RAD editor, so it would be nice to continue
> supporting if it doesn’t require much effort.
>
> Nicolas
>
>

Re: VOTE Retire IvyDE

2016-12-08 Thread Gintautas Grigelionis 
Very well, how does one revive a project?

Gintas

2016-12-08 21:01 GMT+01:00 Jan Matèrne (jhm) :

> > Considering the current discussion around IvyDE and the involvement of
> > Gintas, maybe we could cancel this vote, at least postpone it ?
> >
> > Nicolas
>
>
> Yes, I agree.
> The discussion and the vote about retiring IvyDE had brought much more
> activity than the months before (as I recognized).
>
> But I haven't found any rule about cancelling a vote. Until now we have
> collected enough +1s to archive IvyDE and I don't want to affront somebody.
>
>
> Jan
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AW: VOTE Retire IvyDE

2016-12-08 Thread jhm 
> Considering the current discussion around IvyDE and the involvement of
> Gintas, maybe we could cancel this vote, at least postpone it ?
> 
> Nicolas


Yes, I agree.
The discussion and the vote about retiring IvyDE had brought much more activity 
than the months before (as I recognized).

But I haven't found any rule about cancelling a vote. Until now we have 
collected enough +1s to archive IvyDE and I don't want to affront somebody.


Jan


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Re: VOTE Retire IvyDE

2016-12-08 Thread Nicolas Lalevée 
Considering the current discussion around IvyDE and the involvement of Gintas, 
maybe we could cancel this vote, at least postpone it ?

Nicolas

> Le 5 déc. 2016 à 08:04, Jan Matèrne (jhm)  a écrit :
> 
> I start a vote for retiring IvyDE.
> 
> The last release was in 11/2013.
> 
> The last 'real' code activity was in 08/2014.
> 
> 
> 
> It seems that we havent the community, committers and PMC to hold this
> subproject. 
> 
> 
> 
> The general procedure is described in http://ant.apache.org/processes.html.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I start with my +1.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Jan
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IvyDE status (Was: VOTE Retire IvyDE)

2016-12-08 Thread Nicolas Lalevée 
I am forking the thread to not pollute the vote.

> Le 7 déc. 2016 à 19:56, Gintautas Grigelionis  a 
> écrit :
> 
> I decided to take a quick look at the build process and it's not broken per
> se, rather it's hardcoded to Eclipse SDK 3.7.1 foe Win32.

You confirm the doc is being correctly build ? If that effectively the case, it 
is good to know, thank you for looking into it.
But one thing is broken for sure: the Ant targets to build IvyDE for the 
release, because they still assert that the sources are being hosted in 
subversion.

> I would like to
> make the process to adapt to the build platform. Any suggestions for a
> reasonable Eclipse baseline? Should we target Java 8, that would be 4.5 (or
> maybe even 4.5.2).

Here is what is currently supported:
http://ant.apache.org/ivy/ivyde/history/trunk/compatibility.html 

It certainly can be reviewed.

As a general rule I would make IvyDE support the same version of the JVM as Ivy 
and Eclipse does. A thing to note is that some IvyDE users are installing it in 
their IBM RAD editor, so it would be nice to continue supporting if it doesn’t 
require much effort.

Nicolas

Re: VOTE Retire IvyDE

2016-12-07 Thread Gintautas Grigelionis 
I decided to take a quick look at the build process and it's not broken per
se, rather it's hardcoded to Eclipse SDK 3.7.1 foe Win32. I would like to
make the process to adapt to the build platform. Any suggestions for a
reasonable Eclipse baseline? Should we target Java 8, that would be 4.5 (or
maybe even 4.5.2).
​
Gintas

Re: VOTE Retire IvyDE

2016-12-07 Thread Nicolas Lalevée 

> Le 7 déc. 2016 à 12:34, Gintautas Grigelionis  a 
> écrit :
> 
> I would prefer an agreement on status. IvyDE is dependent on Ivy and
> ideally their release cycles should be synced.
> Since there seem to be some changes brewing in Ivy, IvyDE could be used as
> a test case.

Actually there is no need for synchronization between both project, unless 
there is a new feature in Ivy required for IvyDE. In the Eclipse updatesite 
there are two separate « Eclipse features », and one is dedicated to the 
version of Ivy you want to install.

Nicolas


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Re: VOTE Retire IvyDE

2016-12-07 Thread Gintautas Grigelionis 
I would prefer an agreement on status. IvyDE is dependent on Ivy and
ideally their release cycles should be synced.
Since there seem to be some changes brewing in Ivy, IvyDE could be used as
a test case.

Gintas

2016-12-07 11:37 GMT+01:00 Stefan Bodewig :

> On 2016-12-07, Gintautas Grigelionis wrote:
>
> > Somebody mentioned that IvyDE build process is broken and I would like to
> > look into that if it could help to prevent retirement.
>
> That would be wonderful, regardless of whether it prevents retirement.
>
> Stefan
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Re: VOTE Retire IvyDE

2016-12-07 Thread Stefan Bodewig 
On 2016-12-07, Gintautas Grigelionis wrote:

> Somebody mentioned that IvyDE build process is broken and I would like to
> look into that if it could help to prevent retirement.

That would be wonderful, regardless of whether it prevents retirement.

Stefan

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Re: VOTE Retire IvyDE

2016-12-07 Thread Gintautas Grigelionis 
Somebody mentioned that IvyDE build process is broken and I would like to
look into that if it could help to prevent retirement.

Gintas

2016-12-07 10:00 GMT+01:00 Dominique Devienne :

> +1
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 8:41 AM, Jean-Louis Boudart <
> jeanlouis.boud...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > Le 6 déc. 2016 6:51 PM, "Nicolas Lalevée"  a
> > écrit :
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > Nicolas
> > >
> > > > Le 6 déc. 2016 à 17:22, Stefan Bodewig  a écrit
> :
> > > >
> > > > On 2016-12-05, Jan Matèrne (jhm) wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I start a vote for retiring IvyDE.
> > > >
> > > > +0
> > > >
> > > > The discussion in the "Ivy" thread makes me think we'd probably want
> to
> > > > update it with new Ivy releases, even if nothing else changes in
> > > > between.
> > > >
> > > > Stefan
> > > >
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Re: VOTE Retire IvyDE

2016-12-07 Thread Dominique Devienne 
+1

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 8:41 AM, Jean-Louis Boudart <
jeanlouis.boud...@gmail.com> wrote:

> +1
>
> Le 6 déc. 2016 6:51 PM, "Nicolas Lalevée"  a
> écrit :
>
> > +1
> >
> > Nicolas
> >
> > > Le 6 déc. 2016 à 17:22, Stefan Bodewig  a écrit :
> > >
> > > On 2016-12-05, Jan Matèrne (jhm) wrote:
> > >
> > >> I start a vote for retiring IvyDE.
> > >
> > > +0
> > >
> > > The discussion in the "Ivy" thread makes me think we'd probably want to
> > > update it with new Ivy releases, even if nothing else changes in
> > > between.
> > >
> > > Stefan
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Re: VOTE Retire IvyDE

2016-12-06 Thread Jean-Louis Boudart 
+1

Le 6 déc. 2016 6:51 PM, "Nicolas Lalevée"  a
écrit :

> +1
>
> Nicolas
>
> > Le 6 déc. 2016 à 17:22, Stefan Bodewig  a écrit :
> >
> > On 2016-12-05, Jan Matèrne (jhm) wrote:
> >
> >> I start a vote for retiring IvyDE.
> >
> > +0
> >
> > The discussion in the "Ivy" thread makes me think we'd probably want to
> > update it with new Ivy releases, even if nothing else changes in
> > between.
> >
> > Stefan
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Re: VOTE Retire IvyDE

2016-12-06 Thread Nicolas Lalevée 
+1

Nicolas

> Le 6 déc. 2016 à 17:22, Stefan Bodewig  a écrit :
> 
> On 2016-12-05, Jan Matèrne (jhm) wrote:
> 
>> I start a vote for retiring IvyDE.
> 
> +0
> 
> The discussion in the "Ivy" thread makes me think we'd probably want to
> update it with new Ivy releases, even if nothing else changes in
> between.
> 
> Stefan
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Re: VOTE Retire IvyDE

2016-12-06 Thread Stefan Bodewig 
On 2016-12-05, Jan Matèrne (jhm) wrote:

> I start a vote for retiring IvyDE.

+0

The discussion in the "Ivy" thread makes me think we'd probably want to
update it with new Ivy releases, even if nothing else changes in
between.

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VOTE Retire IvyDE

2016-12-04 Thread jhm 
I start a vote for retiring IvyDE.

The last release was in 11/2013.

The last 'real' code activity was in 08/2014.

 

It seems that we havent the community, committers and PMC to hold this
subproject. 

 

The general procedure is described in http://ant.apache.org/processes.html.

 

 

I start with my +1.

 

 

Jan