Re: [DISCUSS] dont't abuse of lazy concensus on mail tagged [DISCUSS]

2013-05-09 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 2:02 AM, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote: On 7 May 2013 20:07, Benoit Chesneau bchesn...@gmail.com wrote: Lazy consensus give this false idea that because no-one objected in time then it's OK to process. This is not a false idea. This principal sites at the very

Re: [DISCUSS] dont't abuse of lazy concensus on mail tagged [DISCUSS]

2013-05-09 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:02 AM, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote: On 9 May 2013 01:02, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote: I would be happy to use the subject tag PROPOSAL when lazy consensus is being used, to separate these threads out from general DISCUSS threads. Please note,

Re: [VOTE] Merge BigCouch

2013-05-09 Thread Dave Cottlehuber
On 05/07/2013 01:34 PM, Robert Newson wrote: Hi All, I propose to merge in the following work, https://github.com/rnewson/**couchdb/tree/nebraska-merge-**candidate https://github.com/rnewson/couchdb/tree/nebraska-merge-candidateto the official Apache CouchDB repository to a new

Re: wiki choice: moinmoin vs confluence

2013-05-09 Thread Dave Cottlehuber
On 1 May 2013 20:50, Paul Okstad poks...@gmail.com wrote: Hello dev team, I'm following up on a brief discussion I had with the CouchDB twitter account (my handle: @pokstad) regarding the official ASF wiki for CouchDB. I'm a CouchDB evangelist in both my personal projects and at my full

Re: wiki choice: moinmoin vs confluence

2013-05-09 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
Anyway, I'm really excited about CouchDB and I really want to contribute to the global documentation out there, but MoinMoin ain't making it easy. I really think that a move to a better documentation tool could be a huge push to CouchDB's adoption. Thanks for listening. Have you seen the new

Re: wiki choice: moinmoin vs confluence

2013-05-09 Thread Robert Newson
I'm definitely in favour of building up the docs/ effort to replace the wiki as *the* place to find out how couchdb works. I can't quite picture what will be left of the wiki when that's achieved. I guess the pages where we list contributors and couchdb-based projects, but not too much else. I'm

Re: [VOTE] Merge BigCouch

2013-05-09 Thread Filippo Fadda
+1

Re: [VOTE] Merge BigCouch

2013-05-09 Thread Benoit Chesneau
+1 for opening a branch with it. I think I have some questions but will put them as separate thread. Thanks for all this code :) - benoit On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Robert Newson rnew...@apache.org wrote: Hi All, I propose to merge in the following work,

Re: [DISCUSS] dont't abuse of lazy concensus on mail tagged [DISCUSS]

2013-05-09 Thread Noah Slater
On 9 May 2013 07:10, Benoit Chesneau bchesn...@gmail.com wrote: Lazy consensus aren't here to obtain a real consensus. You are incorrect. Lazy consensus _is_ consensus, and is an important part of our decision making process at Apache. To quote a very good page on how we use lazy consensus

Re: [DISCUSS] dont't abuse of lazy concensus on mail tagged [DISCUSS]

2013-05-09 Thread Noah Slater
On 9 May 2013 03:59, Randall Leeds randall.le...@gmail.com wrote: However, to restate my position, DISCUSS had a suggestion to me that something warranted discussion. Your recent threads on workflow all were great. We should circle back and conclude them. When something warrants good

Re: [VOTE] Merge BigCouch

2013-05-09 Thread Noah Slater
This is amazing work. Huge +1 from me! On 7 May 2013 21:34, Robert Newson rnew...@apache.org wrote: Hi All, I propose to merge in the following work, https://github.com/rnewson/couchdb/tree/nebraska-merge-candidate to the official Apache CouchDB repository to a new branch (i.e, *not*

Re: [DISCUSS] dont't abuse of lazy concensus on mail tagged [DISCUSS]

2013-05-09 Thread Robert Newson
If by go back to a more natural process you mean go back to the broken permission culture we had for the last three years where people were so intimidated by the project leads that they gave up bothering to contribute then no. A thousand times no. Not a thousand, but a million times. Many things

Re: [DISCUSS] dont't abuse of lazy concensus on mail tagged [DISCUSS]

2013-05-09 Thread Noah Slater
I'm dyslexic. My spelling is a stochastic process. ;) On 9 May 2013 17:07, Robert Newson rnew...@apache.org wrote: If by go back to a more natural process you mean go back to the broken permission culture we had for the last three years where people were so intimidated by the project leads

Re: [DISCUSS] dont't abuse of lazy concensus on mail tagged [DISCUSS]

2013-05-09 Thread Benoit Chesneau
I was tempted to answer point by point to this mail but I gave up. To summarise: you're strongly and offensively disagreeing with me. And I strongly disagree with a lot of them. Now still. You're saying that I consider lazy consensus invalid. I am not. Nowhere in my mail I considered them as

Re: Summary of IRC meeting in #couchdb-meeting, Thu May 8 19:07:14 2013

2013-05-09 Thread Noah Slater
Thanks for chairing this, Alex! :) On 8 May 2013 20:45, Alexander Shorin kxe...@gmail.com wrote: Members present: rnewson, Kxepal Meeting summary: 1. Preface 2. teh merge a. http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@couchdb.apache.org/msg25522.html (Kxepal,