Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-20 Thread Jim Jagielski
> On Apr 20, 2018, at 7:19 AM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > Perhaps this is something we can try for a few months and see what kind of > schedule we're able to hit. Luca, is this something you'd like to tackle with > me? I'd like to help too... if possible.

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-20 Thread Rich Bowen
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018, 12:46 Jim Jagielski wrote: > > > Personally, I'd like to see the the PMC take a more active and > direct role in addressing #1, maybe w/ monthly blog posts > coordinated w/ Sally. It would also be cool to reboot Apache Week > (I know it was an external,

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-19 Thread Rich Bowen
On 04/19/2018 05:43 AM, Nick Kew wrote: If you want to get writing at a serious level, that’ll be great! I might even contribute if you can get some momentum going, but I’d never attempt to take a lead, not least because potential conflict-of-interest with my publisher’s copyright.

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-19 Thread Jim Jagielski
> On Apr 19, 2018, at 6:29 AM, Dirk-Willem van Gulik > wrote: > > > Large crude oil tankers and formula 1 racing cars are both things that can go > from A to B. Yet they have different qualities. > > Perhaps we need to emphasise this a bit more - that there is room

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-19 Thread Jim Jagielski
++1 > On Apr 19, 2018, at 6:09 AM, Graham Leggett wrote: > > On 18 Apr 2018, at 10:46 PM, Mark Blackman wrote: > >> Is most popular the right thing to aim for? I would advise continuing to >> trade on Apache’s current strengths (versatility and

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-19 Thread Graham Leggett
On 18 Apr 2018, at 8:32 PM, William A Rowe Jr wrote: >> You seem to be making a mountain out of a molehill [...] > > > Both statements attack not the technical question, but the questioner. > Please mind your framing. The expression “making a mountain out of a molehill”

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-19 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On 19 Apr 2018, at 12:09, Graham Leggett wrote: > On 18 Apr 2018, at 10:46 PM, Mark Blackman wrote: > >> Is most popular the right thing to aim for? I would advise continuing to >> trade on Apache’s current strengths (versatility and documentation for me

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-19 Thread Graham Leggett
On 18 Apr 2018, at 10:46 PM, Mark Blackman wrote: > Is most popular the right thing to aim for? I would advise continuing to > trade on Apache’s current strengths (versatility and documentation for me and > relative stability) and let the chips fall where they may. It’s an

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-19 Thread Nick Kew
> On 19 Apr 2018, at 10:14, Luca Toscano wrote: > > Hi Nick, [chop] Thanks. Good reply. Your suggestions make a lot of sense to me: I just wouldn’t have put them in the context of marketing or evangelism. Trouble is, it’s relatively few of us who ever get inspired

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-19 Thread Luca Toscano
Hi Nick, 2018-04-19 10:33 GMT+02:00 Nick Kew : > > > On 18 Apr 2018, at 20:00, Luca Toscano wrote: > > > > Before joining the httpd project as contributor I struggled to find good > technical sources about how the httpd internals work, > > Likewise.

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-19 Thread Nick Kew
> On 18 Apr 2018, at 20:00, Luca Toscano wrote: > > Before joining the httpd project as contributor I struggled to find good > technical sources about how the httpd internals work, Likewise. That’s kind-of what motivated me to start writing about it. But that’s not

AW: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-19 Thread Plüm , Rüdiger , Vodafone Group
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: Daniel Ruggeri [mailto:drugg...@primary.net] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. April 2018 02:22 > An: dev@httpd.apache.org > Betreff: Re: "Most Popular Web Server?" > > On 4/18/2018 11:46 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: >

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-18 Thread Daniel Ruggeri
On 4/18/2018 11:46 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > IMO, this boils down to 2 things: > > 1. nginx, particularly, does a LOT of promoting, marketing, PR, etc... > We don't. They get to promote their FUD all the time and remain > pretty much unchallenged. Speaking from experience at $dayjob,

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-18 Thread Greg Stein
Just. Stop. On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 5:29 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > > > On Apr 18, 2018, at 2:32 PM, William A Rowe Jr > wrote: > > > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 1:07 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > >> > >>> On Apr 18, 2018, at 1:21 PM,

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-18 Thread Jim Jagielski
> On Apr 18, 2018, at 2:32 PM, William A Rowe Jr wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 1:07 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: >> >>> On Apr 18, 2018, at 1:21 PM, William A Rowe Jr wrote: >>> >>> There we go again. Why do you and Graham have

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-18 Thread Marion et Christophe JAILLET
Le 18/04/2018 à 21:00, Luca Toscano a écrit : Before joining the httpd project as contributor I struggled to find good technical sources about how the httpd internals work, especially when it comes to important bits like mpm-event and how its architecture can be compared with other products.

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-18 Thread Mark Blackman
> On 18 Apr 2018, at 17:29, William A Rowe Jr wrote: > > > Many will always carry a deep fondness or appreciation for Apache > httpd; how much traffic it actually carries in future years is another > question entirely, and has everything to do with the questions we >

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-18 Thread Luca Toscano
My 2c! 2018-04-18 19:21 GMT+02:00 William A Rowe Jr : > On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > IMO, this boils down to 2 things: > > > > 1. nginx, particularly, does a LOT of promoting, marketing, PR, etc... > > We don't. They

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-18 Thread William A Rowe Jr
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 1:07 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > >> On Apr 18, 2018, at 1:21 PM, William A Rowe Jr wrote: >> >> There we go again. Why do you and Graham have to make this about >> Bill vs. yourselves? > > I didn't. It's a challenge to read this

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-18 Thread Jim Jagielski
> On Apr 18, 2018, at 1:21 PM, William A Rowe Jr wrote: > > > There we go again. Why do you and Graham have to make this about > Bill vs. yourselves? I didn't.

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-18 Thread William A Rowe Jr
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > IMO, this boils down to 2 things: > > 1. nginx, particularly, does a LOT of promoting, marketing, PR, etc... > We don't. They get to promote their FUD all the time and remain > pretty much unchallenged.

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-18 Thread Jim Jagielski
Source projects, including Apache > HTTP Server --the world's most popular Web server software." > > How long will that last claim remain true? > > We can sum up the state of affairs from four well-respected web server > popularity reports from three sources; > >

"Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-18 Thread William A Rowe Jr
"Established in 1999, the all-volunteer Apache Software Foundation oversees more than 350 leading Open Source projects, including Apache HTTP Server --the world's most popular Web server software." How long will that last claim remain true? We can sum up the state of affairs from