Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-20 Thread Jim Jagielski
> On Apr 20, 2018, at 7:19 AM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > Perhaps this is something we can try for a few months and see what kind of > schedule we're able to hit. Luca, is this something you'd like to tackle with > me? I'd like to help too... if possible.

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-20 Thread Rich Bowen
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018, 12:46 Jim Jagielski wrote: > > > Personally, I'd like to see the the PMC take a more active and > direct role in addressing #1, maybe w/ monthly blog posts > coordinated w/ Sally. It would also be cool to reboot Apache Week > (I know it was an external,

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-19 Thread Rich Bowen
On 04/19/2018 05:43 AM, Nick Kew wrote: If you want to get writing at a serious level, that’ll be great! I might even contribute if you can get some momentum going, but I’d never attempt to take a lead, not least because potential conflict-of-interest with my publisher’s copyright.

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-19 Thread Jim Jagielski
> On Apr 19, 2018, at 6:29 AM, Dirk-Willem van Gulik > wrote: > > > Large crude oil tankers and formula 1 racing cars are both things that can go > from A to B. Yet they have different qualities. > > Perhaps we need to emphasise this a bit more - that there is room

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-19 Thread Jim Jagielski
++1 > On Apr 19, 2018, at 6:09 AM, Graham Leggett wrote: > > On 18 Apr 2018, at 10:46 PM, Mark Blackman wrote: > >> Is most popular the right thing to aim for? I would advise continuing to >> trade on Apache’s current strengths (versatility and

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-19 Thread Graham Leggett
On 18 Apr 2018, at 8:32 PM, William A Rowe Jr wrote: >> You seem to be making a mountain out of a molehill [...] > > > Both statements attack not the technical question, but the questioner. > Please mind your framing. The expression “making a mountain out of a molehill”

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-19 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On 19 Apr 2018, at 12:09, Graham Leggett wrote: > On 18 Apr 2018, at 10:46 PM, Mark Blackman wrote: > >> Is most popular the right thing to aim for? I would advise continuing to >> trade on Apache’s current strengths (versatility and documentation for me

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-19 Thread Graham Leggett
On 18 Apr 2018, at 10:46 PM, Mark Blackman wrote: > Is most popular the right thing to aim for? I would advise continuing to > trade on Apache’s current strengths (versatility and documentation for me and > relative stability) and let the chips fall where they may. It’s an

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-19 Thread Nick Kew
> On 19 Apr 2018, at 10:14, Luca Toscano wrote: > > Hi Nick, [chop] Thanks. Good reply. Your suggestions make a lot of sense to me: I just wouldn’t have put them in the context of marketing or evangelism. Trouble is, it’s relatively few of us who ever get inspired

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-19 Thread Luca Toscano
Hi Nick, 2018-04-19 10:33 GMT+02:00 Nick Kew : > > > On 18 Apr 2018, at 20:00, Luca Toscano wrote: > > > > Before joining the httpd project as contributor I struggled to find good > technical sources about how the httpd internals work, > > Likewise.

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-19 Thread Nick Kew
> On 18 Apr 2018, at 20:00, Luca Toscano wrote: > > Before joining the httpd project as contributor I struggled to find good > technical sources about how the httpd internals work, Likewise. That’s kind-of what motivated me to start writing about it. But that’s not

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-18 Thread Daniel Ruggeri
On 4/18/2018 11:46 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > IMO, this boils down to 2 things: > > 1. nginx, particularly, does a LOT of promoting, marketing, PR, etc... > We don't. They get to promote their FUD all the time and remain > pretty much unchallenged. Speaking from experience at $dayjob,

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-18 Thread Greg Stein
Just. Stop. On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 5:29 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > > > On Apr 18, 2018, at 2:32 PM, William A Rowe Jr > wrote: > > > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 1:07 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > >> > >>> On Apr 18, 2018, at 1:21 PM,

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-18 Thread Jim Jagielski
> On Apr 18, 2018, at 2:32 PM, William A Rowe Jr wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 1:07 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: >> >>> On Apr 18, 2018, at 1:21 PM, William A Rowe Jr wrote: >>> >>> There we go again. Why do you and Graham have

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-18 Thread Marion et Christophe JAILLET
Le 18/04/2018 à 21:00, Luca Toscano a écrit : Before joining the httpd project as contributor I struggled to find good technical sources about how the httpd internals work, especially when it comes to important bits like mpm-event and how its architecture can be compared with other products.

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-18 Thread Mark Blackman
> On 18 Apr 2018, at 17:29, William A Rowe Jr wrote: > > > Many will always carry a deep fondness or appreciation for Apache > httpd; how much traffic it actually carries in future years is another > question entirely, and has everything to do with the questions we >

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-18 Thread Luca Toscano
My 2c! 2018-04-18 19:21 GMT+02:00 William A Rowe Jr : > On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > IMO, this boils down to 2 things: > > > > 1. nginx, particularly, does a LOT of promoting, marketing, PR, etc... > > We don't. They

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-18 Thread William A Rowe Jr
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 1:07 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > >> On Apr 18, 2018, at 1:21 PM, William A Rowe Jr wrote: >> >> There we go again. Why do you and Graham have to make this about >> Bill vs. yourselves? > > I didn't. It's a challenge to read this

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-18 Thread Jim Jagielski
> On Apr 18, 2018, at 1:21 PM, William A Rowe Jr wrote: > > > There we go again. Why do you and Graham have to make this about > Bill vs. yourselves? I didn't.

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-18 Thread William A Rowe Jr
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > IMO, this boils down to 2 things: > > 1. nginx, particularly, does a LOT of promoting, marketing, PR, etc... > We don't. They get to promote their FUD all the time and remain > pretty much unchallenged.

Re: "Most Popular Web Server?"

2018-04-18 Thread Jim Jagielski
IMO, this boils down to 2 things: 1. nginx, particularly, does a LOT of promoting, marketing, PR, etc... We don't. They get to promote their FUD all the time and remain pretty much unchallenged. 2. They don't seem to have issues in understanding that new features, enhancements