Re: [l10n-dev] Massive English help stampedo

2009-09-07 Thread Frank Peters
Martin, Apparently, those changes came in by error. So we need to evaluate how that happened and how it can be prevented in the future. Accusing co-contributors of being malicious or inconsiderate will certainly not facilitate this effort. So, please, (and I am minding my tone), who did these

Re: [l10n-dev] Massive English help stampedo

2009-09-07 Thread Ain Vagula
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 11:52, Frank Petersf...@sun.com wrote: Martin, Apparently, those changes came in by error. So we need to evaluate how that happened and how it can be prevented in the future. Accusing co-contributors of being malicious or inconsiderate will certainly not facilitate

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [l10n-dev] Massive English help stampedo

2009-09-07 Thread Martin Srebotnjak
2009/9/7 Frank Peters f...@sun.com: Specifically, getting rid of the 6-blanks strings in the CWS should be easy, assuming that there are no legitimate instances of such a thing. Any such validation must be based on rules, we need to define so we do not by accident fix bugs that are no bugs.

Re: [l10n-dev] Massive English help stampedo

2009-09-07 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi Martin, first: thanks for bringing the issue to the list - I share your opinion, that these really hurt translators. But a small side note ... Original-Nachricht An: dev@l10n.openoffice.org ... Just a small regression from a translator's perspective. When you stumble

Re: [l10n-dev] Massive English help stampedo

2009-09-07 Thread Martin Srebotnjak
Frank, 2009/9/7 Frank Peters f...@sun.com: So, please, (and I am minding my tone), who did these changes? Who is In what way do persons matter here? Well, up until now this did not happen. Actually I do remember some sporadic errors like added 6-blanks in the past year, maybe 5 of them in

Re: [l10n-dev] Massive English help stampedo

2009-09-07 Thread Frank Peters
Martin, 2009/9/7 Frank Peters f...@sun.com: So, please, (and I am minding my tone), who did these changes? Who is In what way do persons matter here? Well, up until now this did not happen. Actually I do remember some sporadic errors like added 6-blanks in the past year, maybe 5 of them in

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [l10n-dev] Massive English help stampedo

2009-09-07 Thread Frank Peters
Martin Srebotnjak wrote: 2009/9/7 Frank Peters f...@sun.com: Specifically, getting rid of the 6-blanks strings in the CWS should be easy, assuming that there are no legitimate instances of such a thing. Any such validation must be based on rules, we need to define so we do not by accident fix

[l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: Helpcontent changes in m57

2009-09-07 Thread Frank Peters
As reported by Martin, Ain and others helpcontent2 introduced numerous changes partly due to a bug in the creation tools and partly due to communication issues. As far as I understood, these changes affect the following: 1. Replacement of emph by item type=menuitem elements 2. Occurrence of

Re: [l10n-dev] Massive English help stampedo

2009-09-07 Thread Frank Peters
Martin Srebotnjak wrote: This puzzles me and adds another type of error or unnecessary changes m57 introduced. Namely, changes in m57 include also (regarding to m56): From: image id=\img_id7261268\ src=\res/helpimg/border_ca_5.png\ width=\1.1354inch\ height=\0.25inch\alt

Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: Helpcontent changes in m57

2009-09-07 Thread Rafaella Braconi
Hi Translators/Localizers, On 09/07/09 14:50, Frank Peters wrote: As reported by Martin, Ain and others helpcontent2 introduced numerous changes partly due to a bug in the creation tools and partly due to communication issues. As far as I understood, these changes affect the following: 1.

Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: Helpcontent changes in m57

2009-09-07 Thread Olivier Hallot
Hi Frank Yes I noticed all three issues you listed but I work with Pootle which has M54 loaded and I just finished the job yesterday... Some remarks 1) not sure I flagged this in M54. 2) I just ignored them as long as the content was consistent. I may have taken a risk there, I dunno... But

Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: Helpcontent changes in m57

2009-09-07 Thread Martin Srebotnjak
Actually, the AD3 happened before (with some previous milestone), but with m57 these {ENTER ALTERNATIVE...} English string parts might have gotten replaced by Icon again. However, also icon sizes changed in several spots. Lp, m. 2009/9/7 Frank Peters f...@sun.com: As reported by Martin, Ain and

Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: Helpcontent changes in m57

2009-09-07 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi, Original-Nachricht Von: Rafaella Braconi rafaella.brac...@sun.com We need to know if we should roll back the changes listed above that were introduced with m57 (this does not apply to the relevant content changes, just the changes listed above). I agree with

Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: Helpcontent changes in m57

2009-09-07 Thread Rafaella Braconi
Hi Andre' On 09/07/09 15:22, Andre Schnabel wrote: Hi, Original-Nachricht Von: Rafaella Braconi rafaella.brac...@sun.com We need to know if we should roll back the changes listed above that were introduced with m57 (this does not apply to the relevant content

Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: Helpcontent changes in m57

2009-09-07 Thread Martin Srebotnjak
2009/9/7 Olivier Hallot ohal...@scinergy.com.br: Hi Frank Yes I noticed all three issues you listed but I work with Pootle which has M54 loaded and I just finished the job yesterday... Now I understand why not many translators chimed in. If they would see m57 in Pootle ... Well, Olivier, I am

Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: Helpcontent changes in m57

2009-09-07 Thread Frank Peters
Martin Srebotnjak wrote: Frank et al., We need to know if we should roll back the changes listed above that were introduced with m57 (this does not apply to the relevant content changes, just the changes listed above). *It's important that we get feedback by tomorrow, or else our deadline