Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2010-02-11 Thread Martin Srebotnjak
Hello, for the first time in history Slovenian builds (3.2.0) have been fully tested and promoted to mirrors (folder localized/sl), so please add appropriate links on the main download page ( http://download.openoffice.org/other.html), there is no Slovenian builds on that page now, neither full

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2010-02-11 Thread Mechtilde
Hello Martin Martin Srebotnjak schrieb: Hello, for the first time in history Slovenian builds (3.2.0) have been fully tested and promoted to mirrors (folder localized/sl), so please add appropriate links on the main download page ( http://download.openoffice.org/other.html), there is no

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2010-02-11 Thread Martin Srebotnjak
Aha, OK, I figured so, but just wanted to remember, that Slovenian now belongs to the A list :) Lp, m. 2010/2/11 Mechtilde o...@mechtilde.de Hello Martin Martin Srebotnjak schrieb: Hello, for the first time in history Slovenian builds (3.2.0) have been fully tested and promoted to

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2010-02-11 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Martin, Martin Srebotnjak wrote (11-02-10 12:40) Aha, OK, I figured so, but just wanted to remember, that Slovenian now belongs to the A list :) Reason for congratulations - many kudos! Cor -- Your office 2010 software: the new OpenOffice.org Cor Nouws - ideas/remarks for the

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2010-02-11 Thread Marcus Lange
Hi Martin, don't worry, the 3.2.0 directory is already visible on the reference server but not yet the builds itself. I'll try to modify the download websites as soon as possible. Best regards Marcus Martin Srebotnjak wrote: Aha, OK, I figured so, but just wanted to remember, that

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-23 Thread Marcus Lange
Martin Srebotnjak wrote: Hi Martin, I was warned again by Slovenian community about the wording of the Disclaimer on the download site (http://download.openoffice.org/all_rc.html ): *OpenOffice.org 3.1.1 RC2 - untested full installation sets* *Disclaimer: The software in the following table is

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-23 Thread Martin Srebotnjak
2009/11/23 Marcus Lange marcus.la...@sun.com Now it's: The software in the following table is based on the final release but the final tests were not done yet. Therefore it cannot be seen as a released build and it is not recommended to deploy in a production environment. These two

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-22 Thread Martin Srebotnjak
Hello, Marcus et. al., I was warned again by Slovenian community about the wording of the Disclaimer on the download site (http://download.openoffice.org/all_rc.html ): *OpenOffice.org 3.1.1 RC2 - untested full installation sets* *Disclaimer: The software in the following table is based on the

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-22 Thread Ain Vagula
You are mostly right. Anyways, I dont believe that there exists some widely used software that you can FULLY rely on in production. Maybe some space and military pieces ... ;) Maybe then: these untested packages can fail with a bit bigger probability than tested ones but are still much better in

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-20 Thread Rafaella Braconi
Hi Marcus, thank you for all you work. One thingy though: I think you could remove the sub-yellow and sub-orange divs. They don't seem to be useful (as opposed to the sub-green div), and IMO may only cause unneeded confusion (e.g. should I click this link, or that link?). as it is always

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-19 Thread Ain Vagula
This sentence irritates me a bit in the head of RC downloads: The software in the following table is not recommended for production deployment. These builds are under development and therefore unstable. This software is based on final source of released version, therefore these builds are not

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-19 Thread Marcus Lange
Ain Vagula wrote: Hi Ain, This sentence irritates me a bit in the head of RC downloads: The software in the following table is not recommended for production deployment. These builds are under development and therefore unstable. yes, it is not the best wording for a RC. This software is

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-19 Thread Rimas Kudelis
Hi Marcus, 2009.11.16 18:48, Marcus Lange rašė: both websites are now online. Cool, thanks! One thingy though: I think you could remove the sub-yellow and sub-orange divs. They don't seem to be useful (as opposed to the sub-green div), and IMO may only cause unneeded confusion (e.g. should

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-19 Thread Ain Vagula
Thank you! ain. On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 18:05, Marcus Lange marcus.la...@sun.com wrote: Ain Vagula wrote: Hi Ain, This sentence irritates me a bit in the head of RC downloads: The software in the following table is not recommended for production deployment. These builds are under

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-19 Thread Marcus Lange
Rimas Kudelis wrote: 2009.11.16 18:48, Marcus Lange rašė: both websites are now online. Hi Rimas, Cool, thanks! One thingy though: I think you could remove the sub-yellow and sub-orange divs. They don't seem to be useful (as opposed to the sub-green div), and IMO may only cause unneeded

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-16 Thread Marcus Lange
Hi all, both websites are now online. Best regards Marcus Marcus Lange wrote: Hi all, when there are no further comments, then I'll start to bring both sites to the new location at download.openoffice.org/other.html and download.openoffice.org/langpack.html. Thanks Marcus Marcus

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-11 Thread Marcus Lange
Hi all, when there are no further comments, then I'll start to bring both sites to the new location at download.openoffice.org/other.html and download.openoffice.org/langpack.html. Thanks Marcus Marcus Lange wrote: Hi, because IA64 and Linux PPC builds are only available for English US

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-09 Thread Marcus Lange
Hi, because IA64 and Linux PPC builds are only available for English US and no other language, I've moved the columns to a separate table below the first one. This will save a bit space to the right hand side. Best regards Marcus Marcus Lange wrote: Hi, I've done some further changes:

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-06 Thread Rimas Kudelis
Hi Marcus, I suggest to name the top two links as follows: * Download OOo 3.1.1 and older - tested and released installation sets * Download OOo 3.1.1 RC2 - untested installation sets to make it clearer what the second link is about and why the first table contains older builds among

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-06 Thread Martin Srebotnjak
2009/11/6 Rimas Kudelis r...@akl.lt Hi Marcus, I suggest to name the top two links as follows: * Download OOo 3.1.1 and older - tested and released installation sets * Download OOo 3.1.1 RC2 - untested installation sets to make it clearer what the second link is about and why the

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-03 Thread Marcus Lange
Martin Srebotnjak wrote: Hi Martin, BTW: Please don't hit me when I use Firefox as example ;-) but Mozilla has also split it up (fully localized and beta): http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all.html I am localizing many OS software packages, but not even one requires QA for every language

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-03 Thread Mechtilde
Hello Martin, *, Martin Srebotnjak schrieb: 2009/11/2 Marcus Lange marcus.la...@sun.com BTW: Please don't hit me when I use Firefox as example ;-) but Mozilla has also split it up (fully localized and beta): http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all.html Yes and the packages of

[l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-02 Thread Marcus Lange
would solve the matter I believe. --- On Sat, 17/10/09, Mechtilde o...@mechtilde.de wrote: From: Mechtilde o...@mechtilde.de Subject: Re: [l10n-dev] New home for downloading language packs To: dev@l10n.openoffice.org Date: Saturday, 17 October, 2009, 1:44 PM Hello, Martin Srebotnjak schrieb: Hi

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-02 Thread Martin Srebotnjak
2009/11/2 Marcus Lange marcus.la...@sun.com: Hi all, Hello, as promised I thought about a new structure and have created the following websites to ease the download of RC builds: http://download.openoffice.org/next/other_rc.html The first sentence on this page mentions langpacks, although

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-02 Thread Rimas Kudelis
though translated versions of language packs, listed would solve the matter I believe. --- On Sat, 17/10/09, Mechtilde o...@mechtilde.de wrote: From: Mechtilde o...@mechtilde.de Subject: Re: [l10n-dev] New home for downloading language packs To: dev@l10n.openoffice.org Date: Saturday, 17

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-02 Thread Marcus Lange
Martin Srebotnjak wrote: Hi Martin, as promised I thought about a new structure and have created the following websites to ease the download of RC builds: http://download.openoffice.org/next/other_rc.html The first sentence on this page mentions langpacks, although the page actually lists

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-02 Thread Marcus Lange
and another for beta untested though translated versions of language packs, listed would solve the matter I believe. --- On Sat, 17/10/09, Mechtilde o...@mechtilde.de wrote: From: Mechtilde o...@mechtilde.de Subject: Re: [l10n-dev] New home for downloading language packs To: dev@l10n.openoffice.org Date

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-02 Thread Marcus Lange
Marcus Lange wrote: I would propose to merge the two pages you created with main http://download.openoffice.org/other.html and http://download.openoffice.org/langpack.html respectively. I've tried this but don't liked it because IMHO this is too much content for a single page. Untested

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-02 Thread Martin Srebotnjak
Hello, maybe the verified builds would get a green check mark icon, and the others a red question mark icon? There should also be a legend stating that builds with the green check mark are supported and verified, whereas the others might not work as expected. That being said, they can all be put

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-02 Thread Ankit Patel
...@mechtilde.de Subject: Re: [l10n-dev] New home for downloading language packs To: dev@l10n.openoffice.org Date: Saturday, 17 October, 2009, 1:44 PM Hello, Martin Srebotnjak schrieb: Hi all, Also, just out of my curiosity, can you list recent examples when a fully localized national sdf

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-02 Thread Rimas Kudelis
2009.11.02 15:52, Marcus Lange rašė: Marcus Lange wrote: I would propose to merge the two pages you created with main http://download.openoffice.org/other.html and http://download.openoffice.org/langpack.html respectively. I've tried this but don't liked it because IMHO this is too much

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-02 Thread Marcus Lange
...@sun.com wrote: From: Marcus Lange marcus.la...@sun.com Subject: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs To: dev@l10n.openoffice.org, relea...@openoffice.org Date: Monday, 2 November, 2009, 4:37 PM Hi all, as promised I thought about a new structure and have created

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-02 Thread Rimas Kudelis
Hi again, thanks for your work! :) I have a few notes though. Or basically, maybe it's just one note. How visible will those builds be? I think we've agreed that they should I haven't seen the agreement. In which mail was it? I think this whole thread (or at least the sub-thread) is about

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-02 Thread Marcus Lange
Rimas Kudelis wrote: Hi Rimas, OK, with the hint of Untested it could work. I've to play with this setup. I tried to start with this but I still think we should not mix stable and unstable builds together: - even so all builds for Mac OS PPC (which are done by Maho) have to be integrsted,

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-02 Thread Marcus Lange
Martin Srebotnjak wrote: Hi Martin, maybe the verified builds would get a green check mark icon, and the others a red question mark icon? There should also be a legend stating that builds with the green check mark are supported and verified, whereas the others might not work as expected. That

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-02 Thread Joost Andrae
Hi, IMHO nobody has said this. ;-) We are doing full install sets when the L10N has reached 75 or 80 %. Langpacks are always done. Sun Hamburg team is doing full builds if at least 80% UI has been translated and at least 80% help content has been translated Sun Hamburg team is building

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-02 Thread Ain Vagula
Interesting, I have several years UI translation between 99-100% and Help over 90 and always stated it when submitting translations. Though I havent seen full builds exept pre-last release when I asked Ivo to make a build for win32. ain On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 18:11, Joost Andrae

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-02 Thread Marcus Lange
Hi all, as an alternative I've created a langpack website with all files listed in 2 tables: http://download.openoffice.org/next/langpack_all.html Maybe we can agree on this as commpromise? Best regards Marcus Marcus Lange wrote: Hi all, as promised I thought about a new structure and

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-02 Thread Martin Srebotnjak
Hi, I think this is better. Why are the untested builds marked as RC2? I mean, you already divided the tested/approved and untested builds into two tables, why make users wonder if this RC2 might mean this is not really 3.1.1 (or whatever the latest version is)? Yes, they are not released so

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-02 Thread Marcus Lange
for 3.2.0. Best regards Marcus --- On Mon, 2/11/09, Marcus Lange marcus.la...@sun.com wrote: From: Marcus Lange marcus.la...@sun.com Subject: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs To: dev@l10n.openoffice.org, relea...@openoffice.org Date: Monday, 2 November, 2009, 4:37

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-02 Thread Martin Srebotnjak
Wouldn't this table look much better, if it was only one? And if the tested/release versions cells would have a green background indicating these are the ones that are green-state in QA? It confuses user if she finds her language in the first table but not the OS she looked for (yeah, it is

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-02 Thread Marcus Lange
Martin Srebotnjak wrote: Hi Martin, Hi, I think this is better. Why are the untested builds marked as RC2? I mean, you already divided the tested/approved and untested builds into two tables, why make users wonder if this RC2 might mean this is not really 3.1.1 (or whatever the latest version

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-02 Thread Martin Srebotnjak
2009/11/2 Marcus Lange marcus.la...@sun.com because it is the official suffix before it get tested and released. It's the same with a beta release. Yes, they are not released so they remain release candidates, but actually the actual code is same as released version. I think this degrades

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-02 Thread Marcus Lange
Martin Srebotnjak wrote: 2009/11/2 Marcus Lange marcus.la...@sun.com because it is the official suffix before it get tested and released. It's the same with a beta release. Yes, they are not released so they remain release candidates, but actually the actual code is same as released

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-02 Thread Marcus Lange
Martin Srebotnjak wrote: Hi Martin, Wouldn't this table look much better, if it was only one? And if the tested/release versions cells would have a green background indicating these are the ones that are green-state in QA? the question is not if it looks better but if it would be an

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: Re: New home for downloading language packs

2009-11-02 Thread Martin Srebotnjak
2009/11/2 Marcus Lange marcus.la...@sun.com BTW: Please don't hit me when I use Firefox as example ;-) but Mozilla has also split it up (fully localized and beta): http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all.html I am localizing many OS software packages, but not even one requires QA for every