Re: Re: Maven plugin naming pattern

2014-10-10 Thread Michael Osipov
They should rename going forward. At some point (probably we could do so now) we will turn on enforcement in the maven-plugin-plugin. This will of course piss of a lot of people. Wouldn't it? There are, of course, several reasons why people can't: 1. Popularity of the old name 2. Technical

Re: Re: Maven plugin naming pattern

2014-10-10 Thread Stephen Connolly
1. We sent an announcement a long time ago. 2. We switched the maven-plugin-plugin to a warning a good while ago: https://github.com/apache/maven-plugin-tools/commit/f88a58cecb4599e70b8fecf8b13d77d5e084be9c If people have ignored that warning for three years, then we have done all we can. The

Re: Re: Maven plugin naming pattern

2014-10-10 Thread Benson Margulies
Keep in mind that what we have here is almost certainly a _convention_, not a point of trademark law. As I understand it, we'd as likely be laughed at for the suggestion that reversing the order of the components of a name leads to 'marketplace confusion' at the level at which trademarks can be

Re: Re: Maven plugin naming pattern

2014-10-10 Thread Stephen Connolly
We, the PMC, agreed to allow permitted usage of the form ___-maven-plugin as that clarified that the plugin was a plugin for maven not one produced by maven On 10 October 2014 12:40, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Keep in mind that what we have here is almost certainly a

Re: Re: Maven plugin naming pattern

2014-10-10 Thread Benson Margulies
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: We, the PMC, agreed to allow permitted usage of the form ___-maven-plugin as that clarified that the plugin was a plugin for maven not one produced by maven Yea, I know, and I'm not opposed to making the

Re: Re: Maven plugin naming pattern

2014-10-10 Thread Stephen Connolly
We just need to show best effort to defend our trademark... if we *see* anyone doing that then we have to send them CD letters... Note: my understanding is that we only have to send CD letters when we know somebody is abusing our mark... we don't necessarily have to go actively looking for people

Re: Re: Re: Maven plugin naming pattern

2014-10-10 Thread Michael Osipov
If you do a quick search on Central, you'll that even other Apache project don't adhere to this convention. Should they receive a CD too? Michael We just need to show best effort to defend our trademark... if we *see* anyone doing that then we have to send them CD letters... Note: my

Re: Re: Re: Maven plugin naming pattern

2014-10-10 Thread Stephen Connolly
Yes On 10 October 2014 13:12, Michael Osipov 1983-01...@gmx.net wrote: If you do a quick search on Central, you'll that even other Apache project don't adhere to this convention. Should they receive a CD too? Michael We just need to show best effort to defend our trademark... if we *see*

Re: Re: Re: Maven plugin naming pattern

2014-10-10 Thread Stephen Connolly
Thankfully for you, you are not on the PMC... if you were on the PMC and you did such a search you would then have to go and send CDs. /me runs away from this thread in case I happen to be made aware of any trademark misuse ;-) On 10 October 2014 13:39, Stephen Connolly

Re: Re: Re: Re: Maven plugin naming pattern

2014-10-10 Thread Michael Osipov
Yes, resposibility isn't always good. Shouldn't simply make the build fail instead of log when such a collision happens? Michael Thankfully for you, you are not on the PMC... if you were on the PMC and you did such a search you would then have to go and send CDs. /me runs away from this

Re: Re: Re: Re: Maven plugin naming pattern

2014-10-10 Thread Stephen Connolly
That was the plan 3 years ago we decided to warn first and then switch on failing after a while... now is a good time, perhaps you could commit the change to fail the build? On 10 October 2014 13:48, Michael Osipov 1983-01...@gmx.net wrote: Yes, resposibility isn't always good. Shouldn't

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Maven plugin naming pattern

2014-10-10 Thread Michael Osipov
Developers List dev@maven.apache.org Betreff: Re: Re: Re: Re: Maven plugin naming pattern That was the plan 3 years ago we decided to warn first and then switch on failing after a while... now is a good time, perhaps you could commit the change to fail the build? On 10 October 2014 13:48

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Maven plugin naming pattern

2014-10-10 Thread Paul Benedict
: Freitag, 10. Oktober 2014 um 15:23 Uhr Von: Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com An: Maven Developers List dev@maven.apache.org Betreff: Re: Re: Re: Re: Maven plugin naming pattern That was the plan 3 years ago we decided to warn first and then switch on failing after

Re: Re: Maven plugin naming pattern

2014-10-10 Thread Michael Osipov
Hi, On 10/10/14 3:41 PM, Paul Benedict wrote: I would prefer this should be part of Maven Core's warning system. If the plugin starts with maven- and it's not an org.apache.maven.plugins group, then we should spit out the error. I am not sure enforcer is the right place for this rule;