Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-26 Thread Martin Marinschek
Hi Jan Kees, It was about the ID naming separator, which is a colon. This colon is invalid and may cause issues with W3C, but I've also heard of people who had JavaScript issues with it. Anyway it's invalid according to the HTML spec. this is not true. The colon is allowed, according to both

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-24 Thread Ali Ok
Hi, I wrote Let's see whether TCK complains or not. I can try running TCK, but may need your help here. before. But I've read that TCK is available for individuals by application (scholarship or something). So, when the correct time comes, can you run TCK for (at least) the required HTML5

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-24 Thread Leonardo Uribe
Hi Don't worry about that. As long as your changes can be activated using a context param everything is ok. I'll keep an eye on your advance, and if necesary I'll run those tests for you. regards, Leonardo Uribe 2010/3/24 Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr Hi, I wrote Let's see whether TCK

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-23 Thread Martin Marinschek
Hi Ali, great that you start out with this! I am not sure, but wouldn't it be good to have some of this support already in MyFaces, the implementation? Like the required attribute - shouldn't we have our core inputs already render this attribute out, if necessary. I think this would be nice.

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-23 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Martin Marinschek mmarinsc...@apache.org wrote: Hi Ali, great that you start out with this! I am not sure, but wouldn't it be good to have some of this support already in MyFaces, the implementation? Like the required attribute - shouldn't we have our core

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-23 Thread Jakob Korherr
I like Martin's idea. If it would make some parts of the TCK fail, we could introduce a HTML5 config parameter to make the HTML5 features work. Of course, this has to be turned off by default in order to make the TCK work. Regards, Jakob 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org On Tue,

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-23 Thread Martin Marinschek
If it would make some parts of the TCK fail, we could introduce a HTML5 config parameter to make the HTML5 features work. Of course, this has to be turned off by default in order to make the TCK work. +1 @Matthias: why not do it right in the first place? I think the merging effort would be

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-23 Thread Ali Ok
Hi Martin, Thanks for your feedback. About this issue, let's talk on some new HTML5 element attributes with two different JSF-side cases: - placeholderhttp://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/common-input-element-attributes.html#attr-input-placeholder attribute of

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-23 Thread Ali Ok
Yeah, I would be happy to contribute to core too :) But, I couldn't get how to add support for core clear in my head. Matthias, as my mentor, what do you think about the possibility and the required effort? On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Martin Marinschek martin.marinsc...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-23 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Martin Marinschek martin.marinsc...@gmail.com wrote: If it would make some parts of the TCK fail, we could introduce a HTML5 config parameter to make the HTML5 features work. Of course, this has to be turned off by default in order to make the TCK work. We

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-23 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 6:31 AM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi Martin, Thanks for your feedback. About this issue, let's talk on some new HTML5 element attributes with two different JSF-side cases: placeholder attribute of input element: With this attribute, we can set a placeholder

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-23 Thread Martin Marinschek
Hi guys, placeholder attribute of input element: With this attribute, we can set a placeholder text that is shown if there is nothing typed into input. New required attribute of input element : If this is set, input is validated against emptyness before the form is submitted. Placeholder:

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-23 Thread Jan-Kees van Andel
This reminds me of something else I reported (or supported, can't remember) to the EG a while ago. It was about the ID naming separator, which is a colon. This colon is invalid and may cause issues with W3C, but I've also heard of people who had JavaScript issues with it. Anyway it's invalid

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-23 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
FYI http://java.sun.com/javaee/javaserverfaces/2.0/docs/api/javax/faces/component/NamingContainer.html#SEPARATOR_CHAR is deprecated now On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 7:17 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel jankeesvanan...@gmail.com wrote: This reminds me of something else I reported (or supported, can't

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-23 Thread Ali Ok
yes, that's up to Ali :-) But generally yes, why not. ... or + aditional contributions to myfaces-core ;-) I am OK with it, I would be very happy to contribute to core :) Default = if OK with TCK CTX-Param = just in case if TCK does complain ... ;) Let's see whether TCK complains or

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-23 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
Hi, I added the first idea to an overview section: http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/SummerOfCode2010 I liked Ali's description wiki to the JIRA (which is the single source of truth). The JIRA is already labeled correct, so it shows up in the ASF ideas section. -Matthias On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-23 Thread Jan-Kees van Andel
Hey, that's good. I thought I heard some time ago this couldn't be fixed because of backwards compatibility. Great that it's fixed. /JK 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org FYI

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-23 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel jankeesvanan...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, that's good. I thought I heard some time ago this couldn't be fixed because of backwards compatibility. it's still the default, but now you can change it. -M Great that it's fixed. /JK 2010/3/23

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-23 Thread Ali Ok
If there is no objection, I am changing project name to HTML5 Support for Apache Myfaces2. Regards, Ali On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.orgwrote: On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel jankeesvanan...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, that's good. I

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-23 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
+1 On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: If there is no objection, I am changing project name to HTML5 Support for Apache Myfaces2. Regards, Ali On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:45 AM,

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-23 Thread Leonardo Uribe
+1 Just as a comment, mojarra has inside its impl jar some extension tags, so maybe in this case we could include the resulting components in myfaces impl as well. 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org +1 On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: If

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-23 Thread Ali Ok
I've updated the wiki, thanks for your feedback. Just as a comment, mojarra has inside its impl jar some extension tags, so maybe in this case we could include the resulting components in myfaces impl as well. It would be cool :) Kind Regards, Ali On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Leonardo

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-23 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Leonardo Uribe lu4...@gmail.com wrote: +1  Just as a comment, mojarra has inside its impl jar some extension tags, so maybe in this case we could include the resulting components in myfaces impl as well. ha! thanks, I am glad you brought it up! I forgot to

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-23 Thread Jakob Korherr
+1 on that :) 2010/3/24 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Leonardo Uribe lu4...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Just as a comment, mojarra has inside its impl jar some extension tags, so maybe in this case we could include the resulting components in myfaces

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-22 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
Hi Ali, this looks good to me. Any other comment ? -Matthias On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, I've written my GSOC proposal here : http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5 Could you review it and provide me some feedback? After your feedback,

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-22 Thread Bruno Aranda
It looks good to me too! Bruno On 22 March 2010 14:11, Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org wrote: Hi Ali, this looks good to me. Any other comment ? -Matthias On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, I've written my GSOC proposal here :

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-22 Thread Cagatay Civici
Looks good to me as well, Good Luck Ali! On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bruno Aranda brunoara...@gmail.com wrote: It looks good to me too! Bruno On 22 March 2010 14:11, Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org wrote: Hi Ali, this looks good to me. Any other comment ? -Matthias On

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-22 Thread Jan-Kees van Andel
Looks good. Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more appropriate for the library, even though there is also an html tag named h5. hx sounds like HTML extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an extension. Regards, Jan-Kees 2010/3/22 Cagatay Civici cagatay.civ...@gmail.com Looks

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-22 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
that's details, for the actual project ;-) BTW. I am just signing up as a mentor, after that I will bring this wiki txt to our jira. -Matthias On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel jankeesvanan...@gmail.com wrote: Looks good. Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-22 Thread Jan-Kees van Andel
Yeah, the rest looks very good. :) /JK 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org that's details, for the actual project ;-) BTW. I am just signing up as a mentor, after that I will bring this wiki txt to our jira. -Matthias On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-22 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
Ah, interesting: This is how tomcat does it. They group their tickets: http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SummerOfCode2010 and point to the JIRA entries. Ok, so let me move this HTML5 specifc content to a JIRA ticket. After done, I'll create a grouping wiki page as well -Matthias On Mon, Mar 22,

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-22 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
OK, raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out): https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617 We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits best. Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)... -Matthias On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Matthias

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-22 Thread Ali Ok
Hi, Thank you all for your reviews. Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more appropriate for the library, even though there is also an html tag named h5. hx sounds like HTML extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an extension. Yeah, correct. You know, no problem changing it. I am

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-22 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
One thing, I see you you refering to this thread: http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some work has already been done on that. -Matthias On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-22 Thread Jakob Korherr
Hi, This all looks very fine to me - great work :) About the grouping (or sub-tasking): It would be cool to have a parent GSoC 2010 issue with all the GSoC projects as (mentor and gsoc labeled) sub-tasks. Furthermore it would be cool if each student would create all the things he wants to do as

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-22 Thread Ali Ok
I see you you refering to this thread: http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some work has already been done on that. You're right. Removed it. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Jakob Korherr

[GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

2010-03-19 Thread Ali Ok
Hi, I've written my GSOC proposal here : http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5 Could you review it and provide me some feedback? After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC wiki. Thanks Regards, Ali -- My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr